Posting a speculation thread on Acorn gear from Gpuhoarder to keep a promise

[philipma1957]

I posted on August 2, 2018 in the Acorn M.2 FPGA thread and stated I would not post in the thread.

So this turns up today and I decided to start this thread.

I can say this  preorders out to Nov = shaky
But no discounts offered on the Nov  = WTF
This is wrong and looks bad see below same price  for sept order and same price for nov order.

I guess in the crypto world we have become used to how the various ASIC miner manufacturers have done their pricing for pre-orders, and consider that "normal." Given that the ASICs are not particularly flexible in what they can mine, perhaps it's necessary to even out the order flow and entice new orders to keep the manufacturing lines busy and the coin rolling in.

Seems SQRL has opted for a different approach to pricing their offerings. Time will tell which method is the right one, or if there is room for different pricing models based on the flexibility of the mining hardware being offered for sale.

Alternatively - instead of a million conspiracy theories you could see that the price of components is only going up and most are extremely constrained right now, and building these things doesn’t magically go down in cost in November. There isn’t some huge profit margin to discount things just because you feel they should be discounted further out.

If you don’t want it - don’t buy it. If you’re skeptical, wait till the review units go out. It really is pretty simple. There is a massive amount of effort and activity behind making these, and the software, and the logistics. I welcome someone else here to step into that for even a day. We are regularly at the mercy of Xilinx and component supplies in the global supply chain as well.

We’re awaiting actual production line roll off starting next week, and some verification time after that to ensure that all is going smoothly. Exactly on-time.

Thanks for the reply .

 There is no conspiracy it is a fact that  you have not sold out Sept. batch at 329 according to your website

and you offer Nov batch at 329. The screenshot is simply taken from your website showing that.

Simple accounting shows  that is wrong .
So why offer it?
Your website has sept and should not list oct or nov  until sept is sold out.
All it does is create a chance that a buyer makes a mistake and gets his batches later at the same price.


This free marketing advice for your company.  You could follow it or simply resist my advice because it is your company and you ultimately make those decisions not me.

Has anyone made the mistake of ordering from Oct or Nov batches I don't know as I don't have that info.

Did your store create the chance that someone can order Oct or Nov vs Sept yes it did plain and simple fact.

Will you fix that?  I don't know.
Will you allow an order for Nov to be moved to Sept if someone fucked up I don't know?
Will you give a coupon to a Nov order because the buyer is delayed for 60 days I don't know.

Will you say phil in this case you are right we did create a chance for a buyer to have a 60 day delay thanks for pointing it out and we will fix it.

We checked our records and only 2 people placed orders in Oct or Nov we will move them up to Sept.
We will only list  Sept until it sells out then list Oct till it sells out then list Nov til it sells out.
I don't know.

Do you think I like posting here over and over and over pointing out issue after issue .

Fact is I don't and would rather not post here until the gear I ordered arrives.

Tell you what I stopped posting here. Until the gear I ordered arrives.

As I understand my order with squirrels it is for 1 215+ and 1 nest and is due for sept batch.
order number 482 is my squirrels order reads sept batch



As I understand my order with mineority it is for 1 215+ and is due in the august batch.

Order Number: 25 is my order from mineority

btw it does not say that it is August batch or Sept batch or Oct batch or Nov Batch  when order was placed it read August shipping so Hopefully it ships with the August batch.

WOW! What’s wrong with you? People like you are the reason why nobody can put out stuff for the community. Why don’t you learn vhdl coding and you can be up and running by 2023. If not wait just like everyone else.

I said I would not post here until I got my order.

[philipma1957]

I left the thread alone since August 2, 2018

I don't care to post  on that thread anymore.

But  when newbie accounts are used in the manner above I have to wonder why.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1823054

he has been around for a while.

It is not so much him or any other newbie.  but  I have a lot of issues

This information all existed in the discord but I wanted to share it with everyone.

So we’ve developed an FPGA accelerator over the past few months in M.2 (same as nVME drives) form factor designed to operate both standalone and in conjunction with GPUs.

The first version to be released has 4x high speed PCIe lanes to communicate between the system/GPUs as well as 512MB or 1GB of onboard DDR3 along with a 100k+ LE or 200k+ LE FPGA of high speed grade. We’ve named it the Acorn, and the three models are the CLE-101, CLE-215, and CLE-215+

General expectation is it will provide performance roughly scaled with price/performance of the VCU1525, but it has a unique role and is not applicable to all of the same algorithms. Its performance in this role is dominated by its interconnect bandwidth and not its processing power.

It is capable of providing up to 30MH of lift to a mining system with GPUs on a hand full of algorithms or operate independently at higher-than-GPU level hashrates for other non-memory intensive algorithms (Keccak, etc). I will be releasing it alongside our mining software and bitstreams to support hybrid GPU acceleration. This project was not developed commercially, it was developed out of a product for my day job for internal use in our own mining systems to give an edge to traditional PCs and gaming systems turned miners.

The accelerator works by streaming high bandwidth hash state between GPUs and the FPGA over PCIe., allowing each piece of hardware to handle the portion of the algorithm it is best at. In general this means memory bandwidth or area heavy portions of the algorithm may be handled by the GPU, and hash algorithms designed for hardware implementations are handled by the FPGA. This approach works for any algorithm whose internal state is 256 bit (60Mh gains) or 512 bit (x16r, Lyra2Rev2, etc.) or smaller. The accelerator supports rapidly reconfiguring its algorithms from on-board DDR to enable handling of per-block or period (TimeTravel10) re-sequencing. It was designed originally to provide performance gains (especially for older GPUs with poor cores) and power savings for ETH by way of offloading the opening and closing Keccak calculations, as well as hash-selection to improve locality of reference for early ETH rounds.

Given the anticipated path of ETH itself regarding POS and other fork possibilities please consider all those things if ETH is your target. It may be the most popular coin for GPUs, that does not mean it is the best use of FPGA or hybrid tech.

I’ve decided to make this hardware available to community at near cost, given all the FPGA interest lately, alongside my belief that broadly available general purpose acceleration hardware at its true market cost (not low volume industry specific dev boards) is the best defense against complete ASIC centralization. You will see this philosophy reflected in my activity around the VCU1525 board as well.

Anticipated pre-order prices of $199 for the CLE-101 512MB variant and $329 on the high end highest speed grade CLE-215+ 1GB DRAM version. On-board power consumption is nominally 15W. It will include a heatsink adequate for this dissipation level with reasonable airflow. It is important to note that to fit the FPGA this adapter is slightly outside of the 2280 M.2 specification, weighing in at 2380. The vast majority of M.2 slots should not have an issue with this.

I am also pursuing making available well priced options for individual PCIe x4 to M.2 M-key host boards (these are broadly available for $10-15), as well as Quad-M.2 PCIe switched and Bifurcated x16 host boards for those who do not have the available M.2 M-Key slots or require up to 240MH of acceleration.

I won’t post exact per algorithm stats or performance until I can do final testing of the actual boards to be shipped with the release hardware/heatsink/thermal management pieces in place, at which point I’ll accept pre-orders. This device requires quite a bit of testing to cover the list of common GPUs, PCIe configurations, and supported algorithms. I have no desire to sell anyone anything not useful to them, or to push a board at all, let alone one based on 3D renders, prototype parts pictures, or choppy YouTube videos, so I believe this full set of data along with final product pictures and overview must be published before I will take any preorders. I am sorry if that tests your patience.

Prototypes exist and I’ve already secured most of the hardware for a first batch so lead time will only be PCB + assembly.

At the time of shipping I will be releasing our internal miner software in closed source form for Windows and Linux that supports GPU only as well as Hybrid acceleration. You’re also welcome to develop your own bitstreams for the accelerator, and will have all the specifications necessary to do so.

I will also be publishing the interface for the bitstreams so that open source miners that wish to can use the FPGA directly.

We are handling all CE, FCC, RoHS, and other certifications as well as ITAR and export compliance, so we will be able to ship to all non-US embargo’d countries. Taxes and import duties will fall on the purchaser. We will be offering at least a 90 day warranty.

All feedback is welcome. This is not my source of income, nor that of the rest of my team, and we don’t want anyone’s money unless they are happy with what we’re offering. I’m also happy to continue conversations I am already having with coin devs and miner developers on how or if FPGAs fit into their plans for their coin and/or ASIC Resistance strategies. This community is about choice, and I will respect the choices of those teams.

So all I would like from all of you beyond the feedback, is for anyone interested to hit our pre-order registration survey at http://www.squirrelsresearch.com to help us ensure we’re covering your needs and wants and have all the appropriate hardware secured. Based on that info very detailed performance information and full device photos (spoiler - it looks like an SSD with a heatsink on it!) will be published at the time preorders open, expected in mid-June.

- David

he took preorders  and exact stats and info is still incomplete

[philipma1957]

more to follow

Looks interesting, do you have an aprox. order/ship date or not yet?

Mid to Late June for all orders and information. First batch ship a few weeks after.

preorders were started July 13th  Friday the 13th btw

first batch due to ship late August   about 6 weeks after payment

Many of us  could not get in on Aug  and order Sept  due to Ship late Sept now

About 10 weeks after preorder

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David,

This is great!  Thank you for sharing your information with all of us.  I am really excited to see you develop this product and if it all looks as attractive as it does now whenever pre-ordering comes online then I'll be interested in possibly 10+ depending on performance characteristics as this is tested and developed further.

I guess the only question I have at this point is regarding the tangibility of reporting.  You said you wouldn't want to release some shoddy looking video but do you plan to release at least 'some' video that is of a reasonable quality?  

Other than that, I would just like to share this little write up on M.2 slot tech.  50-650% data transfer boost is really impressive  https://www.howtogeek.com/320421/what-is-the-m.2-expansion-slot/

I’m sure we can produce a video. I’ll never understand why so many people like to watch videos online, but ok

[philipma1957]

more to follow:

Not sure what this was about hacking a new website is not normal

Why is http://www.squirrelsresearch.com/ redirecting me to https://shortener.godaddy.com/?

Why is http://www.squirrelsresearch.com/ redirecting me to https://shortener.godaddy.com/?

Well - something is clearly broken. Checking with team.

EDIT: It appears the Squirrels Research domain has been hijacked. Please do not email or interact with this domain until we can clear up what happened.

EDIT2: The domain is now firmly back under our control and has been migrated to our normal, secure configuration.

The MX records were only blanked, and no phishing attempt was made. Please be careful and diligent out there.

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The start begins here

This thread is 26 days old.
Zero proof it works.
No demos
No videos
No screenshots.

I simply ask the following proof of concept.
What can you show us?
see below you mention pre orders mid june or late june

Looks interesting, do you have an aprox. order/ship date or not yet?

Mid to Late June for all orders and information. First batch ship a few weeks after.

where is the video?

David,

This is great!  Thank you for sharing your information with all of us.  I am really excited to see you develop this product and if it all looks as attractive as it does now whenever pre-ordering comes online then I'll be interested in possibly 10+ depending on performance characteristics as this is tested and developed further.

I guess the only question I have at this point is regarding the tangibility of reporting.  You said you wouldn't want to release some shoddy looking video but do you plan to release at least 'some' video that is of a reasonable quality?  

Other than that, I would just like to share this little write up on M.2 slot tech.  50-650% data transfer boost is really impressive  https://www.howtogeek.com/320421/what-is-the-m.2-expansion-slot/

I’m sure we can produce a video. I’ll never understand why so many people like to watch videos online, but ok

I am reading this now

Can anyone find a link to the Discord server mentioned in the first post?

I think this may be the one
https://discord.gg/3B27dWD

read  discord
  I still don't see a product
I don't see  a way to order
I don't see the boost it gives.
I do see you missed your dates  of mid June to take a preorder  and you are about to miss  the late June you mentioned.

And the defenders start to arrive

This thread is 26 days old.
Zero proof it works.
No demos
No videos
No screenshots.

You could have just kindly asked for an update.  Not sure why someone gave you merit for that post.

This thread is 26 days old.
Zero proof it works.
No demos
No videos
No screenshots.

I simply ask the following proof of concept.

What can you show us?

see below you mention pre orders mid june or late june

where is the video?

I am reading this now

read  discord

  I still don't see a product

I don't see  a way to order

I don't see the boost it gives.

I do see you missed your dates  of mid June to take a preorder  and you are about to miss  the late June you mentioned.

If you read the discord, you'd read that they are behind on this because of the BCU1525 launch/sales. They will catch up.

This is a weird reply, you are coming in here like you have been wronged and they owe you something. I don't get it.

This thread is 26 days old.
Zero proof it works.
No demos
No videos
No screenshots.

I simply ask the following proof of concept.

What can you show us?




see below you mention pre orders mid june or late june

Looks interesting, do you have an aprox. order/ship date or not yet?

Mid to Late June for all orders and information. First batch ship a few weeks after.

where is the video?

David,

This is great!  Thank you for sharing your information with all of us.  I am really excited to see you develop this product and if it all looks as attractive as it does now whenever pre-ordering comes online then I'll be interested in possibly 10+ depending on performance characteristics as this is tested and developed further.

I guess the only question I have at this point is regarding the tangibility of reporting.  You said you wouldn't want to release some shoddy looking video but do you plan to release at least 'some' video that is of a reasonable quality?  

Other than that, I would just like to share this little write up on M.2 slot tech.  50-650% data transfer boost is really impressive  https://www.howtogeek.com/320421/what-is-the-m.2-expansion-slot/

I’m sure we can produce a video. I’ll never understand why so many people like to watch videos online, but ok

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I am reading this now
and someone linked to a wrong twitter photo was corrected be a second person and  the twitter photo is gone.

Can anyone find a link to the Discord server mentioned in the first post?

I think this may be the one

https://discord.gg/3B27dWD

read  discord

  I still don't see a product

I don't see  a way to order

I don't see the boost it gives.

I do see you missed your dates  of mid June to take a preorder  and you are about to miss  the late June you mentioned.

Seems like the Acron M.2 FPGA is in his hand in this post:

https://twitter.com/ohgodagirl/status/1009186435717402624?s=21

That's not the acorn, BCU1525

my answer was

This thread is 26 days old.
Zero proof it works.
No demos
No videos
No screenshots.

I simply ask the following proof of concept.

What can you show us?

Same Here Phill IS the most Trustworthy GUY on this entire board.  When you get one working Send one to him to test and run.  When Phil verifyies that it's true and working You WILL have more orders then you will know what to do with.  Other then doing that, having a discord and videos is all fu$king bullshit.  No one including me cares about that crap.
 

I offered to help them a while back.
I have been through enough grief on projects like this that I have a lot of concerns.

I also know builders
Of gear are always slow to launch.

I waited until the 26th which is 11 days past mid month.

No preorder was taken so far.

This means  op missed a date

My post was simply a reality check.

[philipma1957]

and some more

at this point I was satisfied there was no issue

There is no doubt that airsquirrels.com is real and well established.  opened up in 2009

I have yet to find that they endorse squirrelsresearch.com   opened up in 2018

webutation.net of airsquirrels.com



So at op    is it possible  for airsquirrels.com

to mention  it is the parent company of

squirrelsresearch.com

Mystery solved:  https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/07/11/1535982/0/en/Squirrels-Inc-Expands-to-Support-New-Global-Hardware-Efforts.html

I guess if you doubt the validity of this press release you can always reach out to the contact listed at the bottom:

Sidney Keith
Squirrels LLC
press@airsquirrels.com
O: 855-207-0927 ext. 7001

There is no doubt that airsquirrels.com is real and well established.  opened up in 2009

I have yet to find that they endorse squirrelsresearch.com   opened up in 2018

webutation.net of airsquirrels.com



So at op    is it possible  for airsquirrels.com

to mention  it is the parent company of

squirrelsresearch.com

Mystery solved:  https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/07/11/1535982/0/en/Squirrels-Inc-Expands-to-Support-New-Global-Hardware-Efforts.html

I guess if you doubt the validity of this press release you can always reach out to the contact listed at the bottom:

Sidney Keith
Squirrels LLC
press@airsquirrels.com
O: 855-207-0927 ext. 7001

And for all to see that  the date is today the 11th of july 2018

sooooo my concerns were 100% valid  and until today  they were not addressed.

To op thanks for addressing them.

Thanks to OhGodAGirl I found this thread, now I have some ques to ask, Kristy mentioned that this FPGA will be reducing the load from GPU for GPU demanding Keccak and others part (NonFP ) which most known algorithm uses - ETH/Equi/(ProgPOW if it becomes reality). That means if this can do say Keccak part at 15W then the GPU Power usage will drop significantly - as mentioned by Kristy again. So can you confirm in details? Also your in-house test say for a OC'ed RX580 how much power can you save?

I can understand that exact values are not possible at this point of time, but can you share estimated % on say a RX580? If I buy.... the power part will be the main driver and will help me decide. Would appreciate if you can share some info on this.

The 3 models are present I can understand - what's the diff between using all these three - if you don't talk about the speed then how they differ? Only Diff between these 3 I read was on memory side, how well they will perform from each other?

People who were concerned about the Acorn being a scam IMHO overlooked the above key post. OGAG in my opinion should already have a ton of street cred in the alt mining forum when it comes to GPU mining software/hardware hacks. With this post, my technical bullshit detector went to 0.

Going forward, my advice to people with no to little mining hardware experience is to at most just put a toe in the water and wait for the multi step YT videos on how to work with this stuff. Initial complications will probably revolve around the ususal miner software bugs and the bain of GPU mining, setting up the MB bios.

Normally I would not have bothered to vet this much.

But  I had multiple people ask me via email to check it out.

And every where I looked  endorsements were not in the following direction. Airsquirrels.com(parent) to squirrelsresearch.com (NEW STARTUP)


THERE were multiple people telling me they are real  but I was not able to get the one above until today.  I suppose I need to email


Sidney Keith
Squirrels LLC
press@airsquirrels.com
O: 855-207-0927 ext. 7001


for a full and final due diligence.


and sent the email  to confirm report.

[philipma1957]

Er.. yeah, that is becoming apparent to everyone.

Baz

deleted as I am not finished pointing out everything wrong  did save it and will allow it to stay.

[philipma1957]

So I got verification from airsquirrels they own squirrelsresearch all is well correct?

Thanks to OhGodAGirl I found this thread, now I have some ques to ask, Kristy mentioned that this FPGA will be reducing the load from GPU for GPU demanding Keccak and others part (NonFP ) which most known algorithm uses - ETH/Equi/(ProgPOW if it becomes reality). That means if this can do say Keccak part at 15W then the GPU Power usage will drop significantly - as mentioned by Kristy again. So can you confirm in details? Also your in-house test say for a OC'ed RX580 how much power can you save?

I can understand that exact values are not possible at this point of time, but can you share estimated % on say a RX580? If I buy.... the power part will be the main driver and will help me decide. Would appreciate if you can share some info on this.

The 3 models are present I can understand - what's the diff between using all these three - if you don't talk about the speed then how they differ? Only Diff between these 3 I read was on memory side, how well they will perform from each other?

People who were concerned about the Acorn being a scam IMHO overlooked the above key post. OGAG in my opinion should already have a ton of street cred in the alt mining forum when it comes to GPU mining software/hardware hacks. With this post, my technical bullshit detector went to 0.

Going forward, my advice to people with no to little mining hardware experience is to at most just put a toe in the water and wait for the multi step YT videos on how to work with this stuff. Initial complications will probably revolve around the ususal miner software bugs and the bain of GPU mining, setting up the MB bios.

Normally I would not have bothered to vet this much.

But  I had multiple people ask me via email to check it out.

And every where I looked  endorsements were not in the following direction. Airsquirrels.com(parent) to squirrelsresearch.com (NEW STARTUP)


THERE were multiple people telling me they are real  but I was not able to get the one above until today.  I suppose I need to email


Sidney Keith
Squirrels LLC
press@airsquirrels.com
O: 855-207-0927 ext. 7001


for a full and final due diligence.


and sent the email  to confirm report.

Fully vetted press release checked and that is all she wrote:

It is up in time for all preorders to be assured they are ordering from a real company.

Just because you personally did not receive a direct reply, does not make your concerns 100% valid. David Stanfill is GPUHoarder. That's been confirmed by him multiple times. He is a co-founder of Squirrels, LLC. He has publicly stated many times that Squirrelsresearch.com is endorsed and a sister company to Squirrels. This was all public knowledge for quite a while now. So the press release is nice, but this wasn't rocket science.

We already had one FPGA scam (Dwarf) recently and I'm sure there will be others. There is no harm in establishing the identity in more than one way. I've seen David's name mentioned but I don't recall any actual proof and I do follow these FPGA threads. So Phil's concern was 100% valid and now we have something to refer to if this question comes up again.

I am all squared away and ready to order.

You are very correct that there is no harm in further establishing identity, and I am all about having multiple confirmations of the information. It just sounded to me that he was saying there was not yet a legitimate confirmation. It has already been well established in this thread that most of the information and activity about these products takes place in the discord. All the facts that I stated have been confirmed via the discord many times. On top of that, this has all been confirmed in the interview that GPUHoarder did.

So please don't take my reply to say that I think the press release is meaningless, I am just expressing that with minimal effort this was easily confirmed. I'm not legendary on these forums, and I'm relatively new to crypto compared to you guys, but I was able to find this information out very easily.

Fair enough. I prefer things to be confirmed right here though. Not everyone wants or trusts discord. And unless discord does KYC any verification on there is about as meaningless as an anonymous account on this forum claiming to be someone. This has nothing to do with legendaries, which is also not an indication of trust in any way. Just some healthy skepticism.

philipma1957 on the other hand is one of the most trusted people on this forum with his real life identity known etc so any business trying to do anything here would be well advised to listen to him when it comes to things like this.

Having said that, identity verification shouldn't be taken as a guarantee of trustworthiness either. Many things can go wrong here. Now at least we'll know who needs to be sued if that happens

Look Last time I found a big issue it was GAW miners  I exposed the flaw in their nicehash/westhash miners.   It was the first real chink in their armor and I received multiple emails and pms from them that I considered thinly veiled threats.

I remember that. Garza is awaiting sentencing now. Karma is a fine lady.

To be clear airsquirrels.com has been perfectly polite to me via email  the email is in this thread above.  GPUHOARDER was 100% accommodating when I explained the vetting issue that I had.

He cleared it up in under 1 hour's time by issuing the press release today.  So I will buy 1 of each Acorn 2 model and have some fun with them.

What happens next

@yankees

I had a ton of problems putting orders in today

as of this moment  my orders are not marked correctly.

first order did not go to coin payments I gave up and saw the option to get one from the mine0rity.

so 1 dead order of 1 215+
1 good order of 1 215+  this seems to be fully credited

I went back to order again I saw the option for the 2 card holder Could not find the option on themineority but it did make an order on squirrelsresearch
coin payments would not take the coin  so 2 dead orders on squirrels 1 good on themineority

I said f it went out and about tried again

said  I will order the 4 card holder and 1 2 card holder and 3x 215 +  came to 1250 usd I said too much on sites that just fuck up I canceled it.

so 2 dead orders that would not work with coin payments
1 cancelled order by me 1 good order to minority
I tried 1 last time

on squirrels placed a 2 card holder order and 1 215 +  about 440  and coin payments worked took my money.

and squirrels  canceled this order said I had 2 dead orders and a canceled one so we are cancelling this order

but I paid in btc and coin payments said deal with squirrels so I am in the following spot

780 or so made in btc 340  to themineority for 1 215+  seems good.

440 made to squirrels for 1 2 card holder and 1 215+   money is paid order is marked cancelled

too bad I had so many issues

I would have like to see you test the 4 card board.

At this moment I am just hoping they fix the error and credit me for the order made for the 2 card board and the 1 215+

The mineority had smoother orders and sold me an august batch.

the 215+ from squirrels is listed for september.

I can not justify  ordering september gear.  So I am done for now.

I did get an email from squirrels it was an auto bot.

I will let you know what they do about the canceled order and the funds I have paid.

this takes more then a long while 7 days to fix.

I was still talking with gpuhoarder on good terms

I thiink on Z77 I had max Pci e 1.1 with Celeron and hd 6870. But on Z170 all RX are runing on 3.0 and 006 ver . eitherway, 1.0 is more than enough for mining cards. For Acron, not sure, didnt pay attention.

I have 4 or 5 z170 boards from biostar  https://www.amazon.com/Biostar-RACING-Z170GT7-Intel-Motherboard/dp/B06XDKHN1S


I think  that these boards  with the nest x2g  and  acorn 215+  will be true beasts

This board may do four four card nests. 16 x 15 = 240 watts

16 x  15 = 240 hash

That is like 12 1080tis which would use over 2000 watts


Costly as 16 x 330 = 5k and 520 for nests total of 5500

What a beautiful motherboard!

order was fixed on the 20th

That's why I advocate for a FIAT bank card payment solution. Items are sold in USD/$. Paying in card is cristal clear, fast and easy, much more than coinpayments.

I am on discord with sqrl_Jess right now

and it is fixed

So I became jaded about the order system having bugs and bad orders hard to correct.
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So I point out the site has a confusing issue  for preorders

I can say this  preorders out to Nov = shaky
But no discounts offered on the Nov  = WTF
This is wrong and looks bad see below same price  for sept order and same price for nov order.

I guess in the crypto world we have become used to how the various ASIC miner manufacturers have done their pricing for pre-orders, and consider that "normal." Given that the ASICs are not particularly flexible in what they can mine, perhaps it's necessary to even out the order flow and entice new orders to keep the manufacturing lines busy and the coin rolling in.

Seems SQRL has opted for a different approach to pricing their offerings. Time will tell which method is the right one, or if there is room for different pricing models based on the flexibility of the mining hardware being offered for sale.

Alternatively - instead of a million conspiracy theories you could see that the price of components is only going up and most are extremely constrained right now, and building these things doesn’t magically go down in cost in November. There isn’t some huge profit margin to discount things just because you feel they should be discounted further out.

If you don’t want it - don’t buy it. If you’re skeptical, wait till the review units go out. It really is pretty simple. There is a massive amount of effort and activity behind making these, and the software, and the logistics. I welcome someone else here to step into that for even a day. We are regularly at the mercy of Xilinx and component supplies in the global supply chain as well.

We’re awaiting actual production line roll off starting next week, and some verification time after that to ensure that all is going smoothly. Exactly on-time.

Thanks for the reply .

 There is no conspiracy it is a fact that  you have not sold out Sept. batch at 329 according to your website

and you offer Nov batch at 329. The screenshot is simply taken from your website showing that.

Simple accounting shows  that is wrong .
So why offer it?
Your website has sept and should not list oct or nov  until sept is sold out.
All it does is create a chance that a buyer makes a mistake and gets his batches later at the same price.


This free marketing advice for your company.  You could follow it or simply resist my advice because it is your company and you ultimately make those decisions not me.

Has anyone made the mistake of ordering from Oct or Nov batches I don't know as I don't have that info.

Did your store create the chance that someone can order Oct or Nov vs Sept yes it did plain and simple fact.

Will you fix that?  I don't know.
Will you allow an order for Nov to be moved to Sept if someone fucked up I don't know?
Will you give a coupon to a Nov order because the buyer is delayed for 60 days I don't know.

Will you say phil in this case you are right we did create a chance for a buyer to have a 60 day delay thanks for pointing it out and we will fix it.

We checked our records and only 2 people placed orders in Oct or Nov we will move them up to Sept.
We will only list  Sept until it sells out then list Oct till it sells out then list Nov til it sells out.
I don't know.

Do you think I like posting here over and over and over pointing out issue after issue .

Fact is I don't and would rather not post here until the gear I ordered arrives.

Tell you what I stopped posting here. Until the gear I ordered arrives.

As I understand my order with squirrels it is for 1 215+ and 1 nest and is due for sept batch.
order number 482 is my squirrels order reads sept batch



As I understand my order with mineority it is for 1 215+ and is due in the august batch.

Order Number: 25 is my order from mineority

btw it does not say that it is August batch or Sept batch or Oct batch or Nov Batch  when order was placed it read August shipping so Hopefully it ships with the August batch.

I get responses

... Has anyone made the mistake of ordering from Oct or Nov batches I don't know as I don't have that info. ...

No.

And leave the thread alone

BTW the new order page still takes orders Sept Oct or Nov

[philipma1957]

There now may be a delay on the larger FPGA The BCU-1525

I do not know how it affects the Acorn 215+ or another gear made by squirrels.

Note:

 I read the issue was a specialty cap  on the discord channel.

For tinfoil hat people I think Xilink has a major contract/relationship with you guessed it bitmain {not sure}

I guess if bitmain squeezed the supply chain here it means  they thought this was good gear and are attacking them  but thats a tinfoil hat theory.


Does not matter  why the gear is held up only that it is held up.
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BCU-1525 delayed. I am wondering what would happen to Acorn release schedule

BCU-1525 delayed. I am wondering what would happen to Acorn release schedule

The BCU was delayed by Xilinx who makes both the FPGAs and the board that is the BCU1525. Xilinx is delayed due to unavailability of other components used to make the BCU, not the actual FPGA itself. SQRL is facilitating the BCU orders, if I understand correctly, not making the boards.

Any project could be delayed if they needed the same components that Xilinx is waiting for, Acorn included.

Supply chain stuff is complicated, and most companies try to have multiple suppliers for most components to prevent this from happening. Sometimes there is only one supplier for a critical component, and that supplier has a problem, well, you are SOL. It's also not usually easy to get a new supplier online in a short period of time, especially if high volumes of components are needed. Not to mention those suppliers also have existing customers with contracts...

BCU-1525 delayed. I am wondering what would happen to Acorn release schedule

My guess is that it will get delayed too. A common delay cause is chip fabrication, which is shared amongst various manufacturers.

Once again, what really bothers me is that (regardless of what GPUHoarder suggested), I am not getting any responses to my questions from SQRL support. It is one thing to have some very smart people designing new system and the other (often neglected in Crypto world) providing a support structure of a company that deals with customers efficiently.

[VoskCoin]

There now may be a delay on the larger FPGA The BCU-1525

I do not know how it affects the Acorn 215+ or another gear made by squirrels.

Note:

 I read the issue was a specialty cap  on the discord channel.

For tinfoil hat people I think Xilink has a major contract/relationship with you guessed it bitmain {not sure}

I guess if bitmain squeezed the supply chain here it means  they thought this was good gear and are attacking them  but thats a tinfoil hat theory.


Does not matter  why the gear is held up only that it is held up.
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BCU-1525 delayed. I am wondering what would happen to Acorn release schedule

BCU-1525 delayed. I am wondering what would happen to Acorn release schedule

The BCU was delayed by Xilinx who makes both the FPGAs and the board that is the BCU1525. Xilinx is delayed due to unavailability of other components used to make the BCU, not the actual FPGA itself. SQRL is facilitating the BCU orders, if I understand correctly, not making the boards.

Any project could be delayed if they needed the same components that Xilinx is waiting for, Acorn included.

Supply chain stuff is complicated, and most companies try to have multiple suppliers for most components to prevent this from happening. Sometimes there is only one supplier for a critical component, and that supplier has a problem, well, you are SOL. It's also not usually easy to get a new supplier online in a short period of time, especially if high volumes of components are needed. Not to mention those suppliers also have existing customers with contracts...

BCU-1525 delayed. I am wondering what would happen to Acorn release schedule

My guess is that it will get delayed too. A common delay cause is chip fabrication, which is shared amongst various manufacturers.

Once again, what really bothers me is that (regardless of what GPUHoarder suggested), I am not getting any responses to my questions from SQRL support. It is one thing to have some very smart people designing new system and the other (often neglected in Crypto world) providing a support structure of a company that deals with customers efficiently.

Hey Phil I understand your frustration as most (myself included) are frustrated when pre-order products are delayed, and I definitely understand your concern on only partial stats released w/ the acorns so far

However they are trying to bring a unique product, and per what they've said it is ultimately out of their control.

What would you suggest they do?

Also have you read this yet?



A link to their official press release for reference
http://squirrelsresearch.com/press-bcu-1525-delivery-delayed

[philipma1957]

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Hey Phil I understand your frustration as most (myself included) are frustrated when pre-order products are delayed, and I definitely understand your concern on only partial stats released w/ the acorns so far

However they are trying to bring a unique product, and per what they've said it is ultimately out of their control.

What would you suggest they do?

Also have you read this yet?
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At this point in time the milk is spilt this is not anything they can do.

My thoughts are as follows bitmain,innosilicon or a third secret party  hammered them  like they hammered the Sia development team.

Their problem is simple they are smart but honest and did not imagine what a more powerful richer company would do to stop them.

Sia asic thread I will link it.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3776561.0

https://blog.sia.tech/the-state-of-cryptocurrency-mining-538004a37f9b

his mistake was to think he could build gear for his coin instead of protecting his coin from gear.

bitmain crushed him  or innosilicon crushed him or a third unknown mofo with big money. None-the-less crushed they were.


If you don't see that is what was done to squirrels  well I can not see for you.

Squirrels should not have done preorders  they should have built the gear first.  Then did a few demos then released it.

Now money spent on July 13 (Friday the 13th)  sits and does not a thing  for how long?

in my case it is only 796 I feel for those that jumped in with a big commitment .


This is why gpu mining is better then fpga   since gpus can be purchased all over the world and not fully shut down like fpga's just were.

We need fork fork fork fork fork.

A smart move would be a fortyfour fork coin  just to fight asics  and memory jack it to 9gb

which means only nvidia 1080tis and better can mine.