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February 23, 2014, 11:40:49 PM
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I know I'm going to step on some feet with this and I'm probably setting myself up for a medium-sized shitstorm in my direction, but I need to get my frustration out.

I came here because I thought I could get interesting info, have constructive disputes and generally read and talk about the progress and future of the cryptocurrency revolution.
What I got:
Scammers trying to dupe people. Liars and trolls spreading FUD, trying to profit off gullible people or just trying to cause havoc for fun. People hating on each other because they have different opinions, insults flying low and pitchforks seemingly always at the ready.

There also appear to be many nice people on here, but by swamping me with a big amount of insufferable posts the (hopefully false) first impression this board gave me and is bound to give anyone is this: Bitcoiners are a greedy, remorseless, partly psychopathic, immature, hateful mob. I am almost sure this is a false impression, but it's what it looks like! Seriously, I have never felt less sympathy for any forum, even users of 4chan and Newgrounds have better social behaviour... and with this kind of culture you want to run a revolution that is supposed to make the world a better place? I honestly fear for the outcome.

Maybe I'm just lurking the wrong subforums, or maybe I'm unlucky to find troll parties in every thread I click on. I hope it's something like that.

Please, someone restore my faith in this subculture!

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February 24, 2014, 12:30:28 AM
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come to the alt section, you'll see more greed! you've seen nothing if you were active only here.

or you just troll too much..

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February 24, 2014, 12:44:52 AM
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first impression: Bitcoiners are a greedy, remorseless, partly psychopathic, immature, hateful mob. I am almost sure this is a false impression, but it's

To an extent, this is true for some of the members of this forum.

Seriously, I have never felt less sympathy for any forum

Why?

even users of 4chan and Newgrounds have better social behaviour...

I wouldn't go that far.


On bitcointalk, trade is freely conducted amongst its members.  It would be impossible for trade to be conducted on this forum *without* the small portion (allbeit 100x too big) portion of users that fit the description in your first impression.  Especially in a place that revolves around "digital money"

I wouldn't necessarily say that most of 4chan has any "social graces" at all.  /b/ is the gutter, /pol/ is full of nazis, boards get spammed frequently.




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February 24, 2014, 12:53:05 AM
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Doesn't help that many of the better members are high-tailing it for other places Tongue

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February 24, 2014, 01:18:30 AM
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I wouldn't go that far.

In any forum I like to follow the list of recent posts to see what's going on, and here, once you filter out the bazillion altcoins (not wanting to get into that atm), every second thread is, as I said, a troll party or similar. Okay, down in the internet gutter there's even more trolls, but.. I don't know, it's more ..predictable there? More fitting, maybe? When you go to the chans you know what to expect and somehow everyone more or less gets along - on a weird, disputable level, but they do. It's different. I don't really know how to explain better. When trolling takes place it's mostly creative and funny, people are doing it "for teh lulz" and for fucking with others' heads. Sure, content is often questionable, but as I said.. that's what you expect from the chans.

Here it's just.. everyone for themselves and against the rest of the world! It just feels like a place full of people talking to themselves while trying to make a profit off others. Maybe I need to take a look at the specific sub-boards instead of trying to make sense of the "recent posts" stream, maybe there's more 'culture' in some of those.

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February 24, 2014, 01:30:40 AM
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I don't think you are very far from the mark.

This forum is absolutely full of invaluable information but it may be buried in a thread that is 3000 pages long. Good luck finding what you need. The search button does work but it would be nice if just reading a thread didn't take the effort of reading a novel. I have to admit, I have been part of the problem in the past, I am changing my ways.

The pitchforks are the ones that feel they were scammed or did get scammed. There is a lot of hate and mistrust here towards some vendors and individuals. Promises that were not fulfilled or at least were not understood correctly.

alt coins is full people trading and newbs getting shafted. Live and learn.

Hang around a while, I think it will grow on you.

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February 24, 2014, 01:33:44 AM
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If you avoid certain sections of the forum, you get a much better signal to noise ratio.

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February 24, 2014, 01:46:29 AM
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Doesn't help that many of the better members are high-tailing it for other places Tongue

Like where? Really the forums I know of are here, reddit, and some boards that deal with altcoins.  Would love to find another forum to post on in conjunction with this one.
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February 24, 2014, 01:56:07 AM
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If you want to be more disillusioned, take a gander at the youtube videos for "bitcoin group" talks.

A quick snapshot of some of the folks who are most involved, and you quickly infer why they are so involved and support anonymous transactions so much.  Some of them appear rather seedy, and it's so obvious why they want anonymous transactions.

There is so much more to crytocurrencies beyond attempts at anonymous money transfers.  So many great features that we need...that train is impossible to stop now, but geez, having some of these folks standing out in public as as reps is just bad for bitcoins future.  
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February 24, 2014, 02:08:59 AM
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If you avoid certain sections of the forum, you get a much better signal to noise ratio.

This ^^

I've set my preferences to ignore the altcoin boards and it made all the difference in finding threads worthy of a response.

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There also appear to be many nice people on here, but by swamping me with a big amount of insufferable posts the (hopefully false) first impression this board gave me and is bound to give anyone is this: Bitcoiners are a greedy, remorseless, partly psychopathic, immature, hateful mob. I am almost sure this is a false impression, but it's what it looks like!

I'd say that generalization applies to any online discussion board where you're able to maintain an anonymous persona. Even so, it seems quite a bit worse now than I've seen in the past, though that's probably because Bitcoin has gained some popularity over the years.

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February 24, 2014, 02:18:02 AM
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the more specialised sections of the forum or language based forums are more friendly and cosy generally.
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February 24, 2014, 02:28:52 AM
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I know I'm going to step on some feet with this and I'm probably setting myself up for a medium-sized shitstorm in my direction, but I need to get my frustration out.

I came here because I thought I could get interesting info, have constructive disputes and generally read and talk about the progress and future of the cryptocurrency revolution.
What I got:
Scammers trying to dupe people. Liars and trolls spreading FUD, trying to profit off gullible people or just trying to cause havoc for fun. People hating on each other because they have different opinions, insults flying low and pitchforks seemingly always at the ready.

There also appear to be many nice people on here, but by swamping me with a big amount of insufferable posts the (hopefully false) first impression this board gave me and is bound to give anyone is this: Bitcoiners are a greedy, remorseless, partly psychopathic, immature, hateful mob. I am almost sure this is a false impression, but it's what it looks like! Seriously, I have never felt less sympathy for any forum, even users of 4chan and Newgrounds have better social behaviour... and with this kind of culture you want to run a revolution that is supposed to make the world a better place? I honestly fear for the outcome.

Maybe I'm just lurking the wrong subforums, or maybe I'm unlucky to find troll parties in every thread I click on. I hope it's something like that.

Please, someone restore my faith in this subculture!

In my experience, the only people to insult this community were the ones who were trying to do it harm.

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February 24, 2014, 05:06:34 AM
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You're unfortunately not wrong. I personally don't stray away from the Services and Meta subforums and haven't seen too many bad posts there. If I were to run this forum, I would probably moderate it in a stricter way, including prohibiting posts which look like they were written by someone with the maturity of a 10 year old kid.

The signature campaign posters adding useless redundant fluff to their posts to reach their minimum word count are lowering my IQ.
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February 24, 2014, 05:33:51 AM
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You are 100% correct.
These forums are a joke. You can't even sell anything anymore because 99% of buyers are scamming.

I think if the management want this forum to stop being a cesspool of disease and feaces they need to get peopl who will mark people as scammers and then ban them. Sure they can get around bans, but atleast they are gone.  Its pathetic people can scam for 10's of thousands and the management do not step in. Is this really all under the guise of free speech ?

When I joined in 2012 it was never like this. Its just slowly gotten worse because management has basically given up / doesnt give a crap as long as the ad revenue is rolling in. The scam accusations forum gets like 5-10 new people a day.. or probably the same people with differant names.

Mike: What is this better place you speak of ?

I know I'm going to step on some feet with this and I'm probably setting myself up for a medium-sized shitstorm in my direction, but I need to get my frustration out.

I came here because I thought I could get interesting info, have constructive disputes and generally read and talk about the progress and future of the cryptocurrency revolution.
What I got:
Scammers trying to dupe people. Liars and trolls spreading FUD, trying to profit off gullible people or just trying to cause havoc for fun. People hating on each other because they have different opinions, insults flying low and pitchforks seemingly always at the ready.

There also appear to be many nice people on here, but by swamping me with a big amount of insufferable posts the (hopefully false) first impression this board gave me and is bound to give anyone is this: Bitcoiners are a greedy, remorseless, partly psychopathic, immature, hateful mob. I am almost sure this is a false impression, but it's what it looks like! Seriously, I have never felt less sympathy for any forum, even users of 4chan and Newgrounds have better social behaviour... and with this kind of culture you want to run a revolution that is supposed to make the world a better place? I honestly fear for the outcome.

Maybe I'm just lurking the wrong subforums, or maybe I'm unlucky to find troll parties in every thread I click on. I hope it's something like that.

Please, someone restore my faith in this subculture!

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February 24, 2014, 05:36:52 AM
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Mike: What is this better place you speak of ?

#bitcoin-assets

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February 24, 2014, 05:41:44 AM
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yeah I did the IRC thing. No offence, but I got sick of listening to how powerful some people think they are.
They seem to think they run the world with there little pile of BTC.

I do appreciate you mentioning it though, assuming you were serious.. Smiley

Mike: What is this better place you speak of ?

#bitcoin-assets

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Scammers trying to dupe people. Liars and trolls spreading FUD, trying to profit off gullible people or just trying to cause havoc for fun. People hating on each other because they have different opinions, insults flying low and pitchforks seemingly always at the ready.

All these people you mentioned are on my ignore list, you'll find that these morons look like they're the majority of the forum because they're busy trying to spam people like you off the boards because that's how they roll and it's a common theme on any forum the only difference is that on here there are that many people it looks like there's just a wall of hate, feel free to add the following people to your ignore list so you will have a much more pleasant time on the forums.

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When it comes to community sites, I refuse to join any that don't have a working block/ignore function simply because it's completely taken advantage of, much like how marketers and scammers take advantage of the fact that your home phone line doesn't have a block/ignore function as well.

Included in the list are the following types, some of which you've mentioned: FUD Spreaders, racists/xenophobes, people who use personal attacks when they can't get you riled up any other way, scammers, spammers and all round in general fairly unpleasant people, funnily enough I think precisely because of the ignore function a lot of these people have given up posting now because their trolling doesn't really work.
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February 24, 2014, 07:16:41 AM
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I have 1081 names on my Ignore list, mostly because I started adding people with paid signatures to the list.
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February 24, 2014, 07:53:56 AM
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I have 1081 names on my Ignore list, mostly because I started adding people with paid signatures to the list.

You know you can just turn off signatures right? Cheesy
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I could turn off signatures, but then I wouldn't know for sure which posters are posting junk because they are getting paid to do it and which ones were posting junk because they don't know any better.
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I could turn off signatures, but then I wouldn't know for sure which posters are posting junk because they are getting paid to do it and which ones were posting junk because they don't know any better.

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February 24, 2014, 08:44:49 AM
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Thanks for your feedback. Maybe I really should start blocking people that annoy me, maybe that helps. I'm however not going to copy some compiled list of supposed bad people, because this definition is most likely subjective and I'd rather decide for myself.

In my experience, the only people to insult this community were the ones who were trying to do it harm.

Yeah, of course. Criticism is always meant to destroy things. I'd rather see this place burn than try to make sense of it, that's why I put effort in starting this discussion. Roll Eyes

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Scammers trying to dupe people. Liars and trolls spreading FUD, trying to profit off gullible people or just trying to cause havoc for fun. People hating on each other because they have different opinions, insults flying low and pitchforks seemingly always at the ready.

All these people you mentioned are on my ignore list, you'll find that these morons look like they're the majority of the forum because they're busy trying to spam people like you off the boards because that's how they roll and it's a common theme on any forum the only difference is that on here there are that many people it looks like there's just a wall of hate, feel free to add the following people to your ignore list so you will have a much more pleasant time on the forums.

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MoonShadow
markm
Inaba
kokjo
Raoul Duke
MysteryMiner
cbeast
cunicula
evolve
iCEBREAKER
dank
Matthew N. Wright
misterbigg
Maria
capn noe
Hawker
usagi
blablahblah
Gurrty
RandyFolds
danieldaniel
Viceroy
ElectricMucus
FirstAscent
ursa
AndrewBUD
Augusto Croppo
MPOE-PR
Agent Provocateur
mem
fgervais
gweedo
Xian01
solareclipse64236
Darktongue
Gemdealer
underminer
subSTRATA
SEC agent
farlack
johnniewalker
lunarboy
flavius
nexusakachus
qbits
surebet
sublime5447
Actor_Tom_Truong
Milkshake
bernard75
nwbitcoin
dimaniac
mai77
wopwop
AnonyMint
MatTheCat
oser41eric
antibanker
rhinospray
puffpuffpass
101111
cypher-punk
Jaroslaw
FinShaggy
BTCIndia
just_me
alyssa85
zerodrama
Coinseeker
Fixx
BitCoinNewGuy
crumbcake
john_nalpa
JohnRambo
NWO
chowderman
r3wt
kodo
sardokan
lovedbits
crumbs
monbux
ironcross3602
dave0003
sampathneo
Nigeria Prince
AnhBen
JJBTCSeller
gentlemand
Ibian
Dafar
hilariousandco
eternaluniverse
jballs
Honeypot
guybrushthreepwood
thaaanos
Here_To_Help
Armis
syabiz
thelema93
drchelsea


When it comes to community sites, I refuse to join any that don't have a working block/ignore function simply because it's completely taken advantage of, much like how marketers and scammers take advantage of the fact that your home phone line doesn't have a block/ignore function as well.

Included in the list are the following types, some of which you've mentioned: FUD Spreaders, racists/xenophobes, people who use personal attacks when they can't get you riled up any other way, scammers, spammers and all round in general fairly unpleasant people, funnily enough I think precisely because of the ignore function a lot of these people have given up posting now because their trolling doesn't really work.

That's one helluva list, and thanks for not including me on it, bud.

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February 24, 2014, 09:12:39 AM
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lol Phinnaeus Cheesy I've seen your posts, you mess people around but you're not an asshole Tongue A lot of these people really do deserve to be on my list with some of the things I've seen them say.
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lol Phinnaeus Cheesy I've seen your posts, you mess people around but you're not an asshole Tongue

but you are apparently. the fact that i'm on your list is ridiculous.

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February 24, 2014, 12:54:10 PM
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I know I'm going to step on some feet with this and I'm probably setting myself up for a medium-sized shitstorm in my direction, but I need to get my frustration out.

I came here because I thought I could get interesting info, have constructive disputes and generally read and talk about the progress and future of the cryptocurrency revolution.
What I got:
Scammers trying to dupe people. Liars and trolls spreading FUD, trying to profit off gullible people or just trying to cause havoc for fun. People hating on each other because they have different opinions, insults flying low and pitchforks seemingly always at the ready.


Well this forum is different as there's money to made /scammed here. The only solution is to block those people, but your list will probably become pretty big quite quickly.

lol Phinnaeus Cheesy I've seen your posts, you mess people around but you're not an asshole Tongue

but you are apparently. the fact that i'm on your list is ridiculous.

Lethn is ok with arseholes and being one himself, but he just puts anybody who says something he doesn’t like on his list or when they disprove his arguments. He also loves telling everybody about how they've been put on it (I've had the honour of being on it several times). Just read his posts and you'll see he's the problem here, not everyone on his list. He also admits to being banned from nearly every forum he's ever posted on (in his own words), he just doesn't realise that he's the problem and arsehole here, then again, arseholes never do.

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February 24, 2014, 12:56:44 PM
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What kind I say besides that this forum is just a good representation of society?
You have nice people, people trying to gain money over you at any cost, scammers, ... just as in the real world.

I hope that my posts actually contribute something.

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February 24, 2014, 12:58:42 PM
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you get that upset that you have to ignore that many people ?
how old r ya ? If I may ask...

I only ever ignored 'zyk' and 1 or 2 other randoms.





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February 24, 2014, 01:05:57 PM
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I'm jaded now so most of mine are negative Smiley

Theres only so much scamming you can witness by long time members, mods, admins of the forum before you just get over it.
The annoying part is they scam and do shit, time passes and newbies start sucking them off cause they are such 'high profile members'
It is my problem though, so I should really be nice to people.. I am a nice person... its just this forum frustrates me... but yet i can't leave Sad

What kind I say besides that this forum is just a good representation of society?
You have nice people, people trying to gain money over you at any cost, scammers, ... just as in the real world.

I hope that my posts actually contribute something.

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I have to agree with OP. Aside from certain members, who are great don't get me wrong, this forum is filled with some of the nastiest human beings I have ever had the misfortune of meeting.
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February 24, 2014, 01:10:34 PM
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you get that upset that you have to ignore that many people ?
how old r ya ? If I may ask...

I only ever ignored 'zyk' and 1 or 2 other randoms.

I think he's in his 20s but acts like a petulant child. If you read his posts you'll see he's just mad at the world for various reasons, most of which are his own fault, but obviously it's everybody elses.  

I haven't ignored anyone on here. Seems kinda petty and childish unless you're dealing with a serial troll or spammer, but even then the fact that they posted is still visible any way (and I know Lethn must just unhide them because he can't resist replying to them every now and again).


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February 24, 2014, 01:15:15 PM
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lol thats funny ignoring someone who disagree's with you.
this is grade 3 stuff


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February 24, 2014, 09:30:57 PM
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lol thats funny ignoring someone who disagree's with you.
this is grade 3 stuff



Nah, people like hilariousandco might well say to other people that the reason he's on my ignore list is because I disagree with him but the real reason is because he kept on constantly goading me over fake presumptions he made about me and tried to start a flame war on other threads as well like he's doing now, I simply don't have the time for that kind of crap anymore.
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I know what you mean by how much FUD has been being spread recently it's becoming very annoying.

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If you are like most people, you probably click the threads with the most provocative titles, and there you find the trolls. People are naturally drawn to these.

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I know I'm going to step on some feet with this and I'm probably setting myself up for a medium-sized shitstorm in my direction, but I need to get my frustration out.

I came here because I thought I could get interesting info, have constructive disputes and generally read and talk about the progress and future of the cryptocurrency revolution.
What I got:
Scammers trying to dupe people. Liars and trolls spreading FUD, trying to profit off gullible people or just trying to cause havoc for fun. People hating on each other because they have different opinions, insults flying low and pitchforks seemingly always at the ready.

There also appear to be many nice people on here, but by swamping me with a big amount of insufferable posts the (hopefully false) first impression this board gave me and is bound to give anyone is this: Bitcoiners are a greedy, remorseless, partly psychopathic, immature, hateful mob. I am almost sure this is a false impression, but it's what it looks like! Seriously, I have never felt less sympathy for any forum, even users of 4chan and Newgrounds have better social behaviour... and with this kind of culture you want to run a revolution that is supposed to make the world a better place? I honestly fear for the outcome.

Maybe I'm just lurking the wrong subforums, or maybe I'm unlucky to find troll parties in every thread I click on. I hope it's something like that.

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February 25, 2014, 05:27:09 AM
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Really the forums I know of are here, reddit, and some boards that deal with altcoins.  members are high-tailing it here!
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Really the forums I know of are here, reddit, and some boards that deal with altcoins.  members are high-tailing it here!

try investorshub = evil bankers shark tank with vipers-snakepits too! (they love bitcoin )

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Really the forums I know of are here, reddit, and some boards that deal with altcoins.  members are high-tailing it here!

try investorshub = evil bankers shark tank with vipers-snakepits too! (they love bitcoin )

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February 25, 2014, 09:54:27 AM
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This why most people are finding new forums that are invite only. To keep out newbies and generally annoying people out, it is so nice when you just posting with around less than 200 people.

I'm jealous. i bet the quality of the conversations wherever you speak of is superb.

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February 25, 2014, 11:12:39 AM
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lol thats funny ignoring someone who disagree's with you.
this is grade 3 stuff

Nah, people like hilariousandco might well say to other people that the reason he's on my ignore list is because I disagree with him but the real reason is because he kept on constantly goading me over fake presumptions he made about me and tried to start a flame war on other threads as well like he's doing now, I simply don't have the time for that kind of crap anymore.

What exactly are 'fake presumptions'? You mean false assumptions? I assumed that you were chatting shit about how tough you are and about all these perverse women you claimed to know in real life and when I question your bullshit fantasy world that you can't back up you throw your toys out of the pram. I didn't goad you or try start a flame war at all.

These are the two threads where I 'goaded' him:

It doesn't matter if he insulted your dead mother, you don't ever punch a person out of anger, you just mock them like I do or move along and if they attack you that's when you can fight back Tongue mind you, people tend to just move along themselves if they ever get on the receiving end of my mocking Cheesy

Sounds like you're quite the Insult Assassin there. Something tells me you wouldn’t decide to mock someone who was twice the size of you. And being on the internet doesn't count  Grin.

You don't know me very well Tongue size doesn't mean shit to me Cheesy

To quote Minsc from Baldurs Gate 2: The bigger they are! The harder I hit!

The fact that you are quoting Baldurs Gate leads me to be doubtful of such claims  Grin.




Good question.

Women are as kinky as men, but can usually get their needs met for free Smiley



What do you define as kinky?

I think that's a polite female term for being perverted. I'd say even the most kinkiest of women aren't anywhere near as perverted as the average man. What women think is perverse/kinky is completely different to what most men define as kinky by many many magnitudes.

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHHH!! You haven't talked to women much have you? Cheesy The only reason that people don't think women aren't as perverted as men is because they're better at hiding it, seriously I'm friends with girls I've known for a long time now and some of them are more perverted than I am, they can just play innocent every time, girls can get away with all sorts of shit doing that, it's just a fact of life Tongue.

Do you have any evidence to back this up or are you just going on the evidence of all these women you probably don't know or have never spoke to (and "women" you've spoken to online don't count  Grin). Tell me what makes these women more perverted than you? Most women seem to think anal is going a bit too far.


hilariousandco you're talking on a thread with a BDSM mistress >_> please tell me of a place where men can go to do that kind of shit and not get arrested or get judged a lot and I'll go there in five seconds. Also, I love all the fake assumptions you're making about me, it's pretty amusing and also says a lot about you.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm just sceptical of your claims. You seem to have a penchant for making claims there's no way you can back up. Usually when people boast on the internet about how tough they are or about all these perverse women they claim to know it turns out to not be the case or be mere fantasy or lies. But maybe you are a real-life tough guy and a chick magnet; I don't know, but I have no reason to believe any of this without evidence.

And I don't see your logic of a woman being a BDSM mistress or you claiming to know a few sexually liberal / perverted women therefore that makes all women equally as perverted. Explain the logic. One woman exploiting men's desires for her own financial gain doesn't make her just as perverted as men therefore all women are just as perverted. How many BDSM mistresses do you know? Or do all women secretly want to be BDSM mistresses now? Plus, she's a BDSM mistress, not a anything goes prostitute, and as she's stated before there are lots of things she doesn't do and bizarre requests she has to routinely turn down. And I'm not nor did I ever say women don't have fantasies or desires or are not perverse, but I'd be willing to be she's not even as perverse or would enjoy or be willing to do half of the shit many "average" males I know would like or want to do.

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And I don't understand this. Do what shit? Go see a BDSM mistress? Go see Mistress Magpie and I reckon you'll be alright. And why would you get arrested for it? And what are fake assumptions, and please tell me what it says about me, Sigmund Freud  Grin.


And then you come out with this gem in the Are you a virgin? thread which just confirmed my fake assumptions suspicions:

I need to get out of the fucking UK, that's my reason for being a virgin >_< lol I've pretty much ditched any chance of a social life so I can earn the money to leave.

I thought you were a hit with the ladies? I think ditching the social life is a bad idea as that's pretty much the only way to meet women as they won't come knocking at your door.

Was I really goading you there or trying to start a flame war? I casted doubt on your exaggerated claims and you just can't take anyone who shatters that little fantasy world you try to project. You're just like a Kanye West who can't take any sort of criticism or the lightest of jokes. Lethn, do you honestly think that it's just a coincidence that you've been banned from every other forum?

And why do you put people on the ignore list when you quite clearly don't ignore them and read every one of my posts? You use that ignore feature and telling everyone about it as a pathetic cop out for when somebody says something that lightly bruises your insecure ego or questions your grandiose unbacked claims.

This why most people are finding new forums that are invite only. To keep out newbies and generally annoying people out, it is so nice when you just posting with around less than 200 people.

I'm jealous. i bet the quality of the conversations wherever you speak of is superb.

Haha. I've been on a couple of forums before where the 'coolkids' have broken off to try start their own elite forums for a few select members. They never really work out or get bored quickly, hence why they still post on the other uncool forum simultaneously whilst telling you about it to make sure you know you're inferior  Grin.

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I'm not sure you understand what the ignore function does.

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I'm not sure you do. Why don't you tell me? I know exactly what it does.

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February 25, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
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I've only seen you post in here yesterday and then in another thread after that.
I like your style, keep it up, dont listen to the virgins Smiley People here shouldn't be so sensitive. thats the problem with this forum. we cant step on anyone toes incase it upsets them. and like don't be a meanie to someone if they scam you.. just write them a well thought out letter.....


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I'm not sure you do. Why don't you tell me? I know exactly what it does.

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I've just seen this comment from Lethn and it reminded me of my first run in I had with him, so I'll use it as a prime example of how easy it is to get put on his block list:

Well that's no help to anyone who doesn't use facebook, also, a serious note, think twice before you post personal information in public and whether you're definitely okay with it.

are they gonna dosomething bad :/

Probably not anyone here Tongue just thought I'd point it out, anything you post on the internet is extremely difficult to either get rid of or hide from other people once it's up there if it's of interest to somebody, people don't always realise it and get into trouble.

I remember when I said pretty much exactly this and you called me a tool for some bizarre reason and then 'ignored' me for the first of many times:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=349405.msg3813518;topicseen#msg3813518

But I guess it's still just me that's the arse here Roll Eyes.

I've only seen you post in here yesterday and then in another thread after that.
I like your style, keep it up, dont listen to the virgins Smiley People here shouldn't be so sensitive. thats the problem with this forum. we cant step on anyone toes incase it upsets them. and like don't be a meanie to someone if they scam you.. just write them a well thought out letter.....


redacted after I saw this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=486622.0

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I'm not sure you understand what the ignore function does.

I'm not sure you do. Why don't you tell me? I know exactly what it does.

I'm sorry I let you down.

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February 25, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
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Keep proving my points...

People who will never meet arguing about their egos. How is this even worth your time?!

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February 25, 2014, 04:40:05 PM
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Keep proving my points...

People who will never meet arguing about their egos. How is this even worth your time?!

Why would the internet be any different from real life? Have you never had an argument or disagreement in real life? The internet isn't a utopia where everybody lives happily and gets along great. The only difference on the internet is you can pretend to be someone you're not, you know, like boast about how many perverse women you know or how you're a tough guy and stand up to bullies etc when this is the exact opposite of the truth. This forum is just a perfect representation of society and people in general, the only difference being on the internet is you're removing the risk of being punched in the face.

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