The Serious Discussion Board is not "serious" anymore??

[seoincorporation]

I`ve just come from the serious discussion board and see topics like this one:

We have noticed that Bitcoin is showing too volatile performance from the last months since it last big Hit last December. Holder are still expectant on what bitcoin has still instore for them. Is Bitcoin Big comeback still has its possibility before the year end? will its track go the same way it goes last year?

Shouldn`t those ones be in the Bitcoin Discussion Board? Well, I totally get that the Bitcoin Discussion board is polluted with all kinds of spammers, but if we don`t contribute with good posting activity and move our threads to Serious Discussion, how are we going to overcome all the spammers-invasion-situation?

I`ve seen also posts like this one:

My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit1:
Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  

Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

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If it's from the eye, a desire for picture begins when I can make a will on it, something that I saw or the moment I get the idea of what I saw remains as I want.

If it's from the nose, a desire for smell begins when I can make a will on it, something that I smelled or the moment I get the idea of what I smelled to remains as I want.

If it's from the tongue, a desire for taste begins when I can make a will on it, something that I tasted or the moment I get the idea of what I tasted remains as I want.

If it's from the body, a desire for touch begins when I can make a will on it, something that I touched or the moment I get the idea of what I touched remains as I want.

If it's from the mind, a desire for imagination begins when I can make a will on it, something that I imagined or the moment I get the idea of what I imagined remains as I want.

I just want to know what other members thinking about the "will", how it's born and do we need to attach to the "Will"?

Isn`t it belongs to Politics & Society? or... even better, to "Off-topic"?

Now, I`m not talking about the posters. I do understand why such kind of threads are written in Serious Discussion, due to the pollution, again.
But I don`t know then what`s the difference between the two mentioned boards and the Serious Discussion one. All the threads I`ve posted are about generic themes or very generic discussions, I can`t see any "serious" on them. But, of course, that`s just my own perception.

I do have some questions:
- What is the Serious Discussion board meant for?
- Are we losing it?
- What do you think about that, meaning, how to determine what is actually a "serious" discussion and what is not?
- Is that meant to avoid spammers? If it is, then it should probably has a restriction like the Ivory Tower.

...I`m just honestly curious...
 

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[pugman]

I do have some questions:
- What is the Serious Discussion board meant for?

Serious Discussions.  

Seriously, its meant for any serious discussions regarding bitcoin/crypto/any other important things.

- Are we losing it?

Nope. There should be enough people there to be posting there in order to lose it.

- What do you think about that, meaning, how to determine what is actually a "serious" discussion and what is not?

It should be easy to figure out, if you see questions like "Will my shitcoin go to the moon?", then no they aren't serious discussions.

But if you see topics like "Beware of the MyEtherWallet hack.",these might belong there. Again its an example,there are better ones.

According to theymos:

Any topic of conversation is allowed here, including altcoin talk, except:

 - If you want a response from forum administration, meta talk goes in Meta.
 - Altcoin talk that is advertisement/pump is not allowed, since no advertisement is allowed here.
 - Stuff globally disallowed/restricted (eg. Investigations content) is not allowed.

Ref: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2722359.0

- Is that meant to avoid spammers? If it is, then it should probably has a restriction like the Ivory Tower.

Yes. Ivory Tower and Serious Discussions are both meant for the same purpose, to avoid spam, but IT for more serious discussions.

[LeGaulois]

Re: The Serious Discussion Board is not "serious" anymore

[seoincorporation]

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Yes, I am. After taking a look at posts like this one:

My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit1:
Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  

Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

I just can`t see the difference. Just take a look at some of the quotes:

Very dangerous drugs should not be legalized.

for me i'd like it to be decriminalize if we are going to legalize drugs it should be regulated and tax

I believe that weed could be legalised, now for all class A i believe it should be sold as well as controlled and kept.

And what`s the difference between that and this one from P&S? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1619045.0
(by the way, the OP´s statement is better in the second one)

[bitmover]

I do have some questions:
- What is the Serious Discussion board meant for?
- Are we losing it?
- What do you think about that, meaning, how to determine what is actually a "serious" discussion and what is not?
- Is that meant to avoid spammers? If it is, then it should probably has a restriction like the Ivory Tower.

...I`m just honestly curious...
 

I think serious discussion became an useless board. As signature are disabled there, there should be less spammers. However, somehow they find useful to post there...

Ivory tower became a good alternative. But very few people use it...

Maybe serious discussion board could be merited restricted? Like 10 earned merit or something like that..

[suchmoon]

Just report the posts you think are not worthy to be there. I've reported quite a few threads/posts and they got moved/deleted fairly quickly.

[vphasitha01]

I`ve just come from the serious discussion board and see topics like this one:

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Shouldn`t those ones be in the Bitcoin Discussion Board? Well, I totally get that the Bitcoin Discussion board is polluted with all kinds of spammers, but if we don`t contribute with good posting activity and move our threads to Serious Discussion, how are we going to overcome all the spammers-invasion-situation?

Hey @seoin I think answer for question is also within your explanation. You and me all agreed that "Bitcoin discussion" board was polluted by spammers. "We" always try to contribute with good posting. The question shall be asked from not "us" but "spammers or shitposters" wether they are willing to change their posting behavior. I don't think so. Until then it's better to move from there.

BTW I hope mods are active in serious discussion board too. If they or other member thought that it doesn't belong to "serious discussion" board, then move it where it appropriate.( Because I don't think those posts are spam)

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Isn`t it belongs to Politics & Society? or... even better, to "Off-topic"?

No isn't as far my knowledge (mods can correct me if I'm wrong). There is no politics or neither society involved. Where should I posted? I will rather delete my post without posting it in "off topic board" because it's almost filled with one liners and spammers, more oftenly can make better discussion with others.

But I don`t know then what`s the difference between the two mentioned boards and the Serious Discussion one. All the threads I`ve posted are about generic themes or very generic discussions, I can`t see any "serious" on them. But, of course, that`s just my own perception.

I can't say about others, but for me it's not generic, it's seems like, but it isn't. ( I'm talking about my thread). Imagine what would happened if "Satoshi" being active again and starting to post on Bitcoin discussion board, then he might thought "Are those serious talks?, it's like nurssary school talks about bitcoins". The point I'm highlighting is the knowledge and understanding is not equall in all the members, it's comparative. My believe is unless they are not spammers or shitposters why couldn't we allowed to post in "serious discussion" board.

I do have some questions:
- What is the Serious Discussion board meant for?

I think "pugman" already answered what "theymos" said it first place. If we want further clarification "theymos" the only person who can answer.

- Are we losing it?

No I don't think so.(just my opinion)

- What do you think about that, meaning, how to determine what is actually a "serious" discussion and what is not?

It's comparative according to person to person as far my knowledge.
Don't make "serious discussions" into "serious serious discussions"

- Is that meant to avoid spammers? If it is, then it should probably has a restriction like the Ivory Tower.

Then we don't want two boards one is enough. I don't think theymos is a fan of "restrictions for free to speech unless they are spams" and what I believe is then those boards will remain like group chat with only established members. That doesn't mean spammars/shitposters should allowed to post in those boards at all.

[OgNasty]

Ivory tower became a good alternative.

I love this statement.

I think the forum needs a section so exclusive that only the user making the post can see it.  We could call it the Asylum.

[Alone055]

I think its just fine. The discussions posted there are not really too off-topic for the section. But again, if you dig very deep you will probably find a few posts or a thread or two that are not supposedly meant to be posted there but that is more than normal for me seeing the current situation of spam in the forum. Not every person cares about the section they are posting their stuff, and by that I mean the spammers, who are the reason behind every second discussion in the Meta section these days. But, that being too little compared to other sections of the forum, I think is bearable. A discussion as long as is not promoting something or is extremely off-topic is just fine to be posted in that section, IMO.

[LoyceV]

Maybe serious discussion board could be merited restricted? Like 10 earned merit or something like that..

I was thinking about this too, but much stricter: Forget about the rank-requirements, and only allow posts from users who earned at least a quarter of a Merit per day (since the introduction of Merit, or since registration for newer users). If a Newbie registered 2 weeks ago, and earned 4 Merit already, he should be allowed to post there. If he's not worth it, he'll lose access in a few days as he doesn't receive more Merit.
If a Legendary hasn't managed to earn about 50 Merit since January, he won't be able to post there. I'm not sure if a quarter of a Merit per day is the right amount, but this can be changed to any value that works.

[seoincorporation]

To be honest I understand why to post on Serious discussion rather to in another shitty board, because mostly the "general" ones are polluted quickly with all kind of crappy post and such.
The issue here is that the serious discussion in beginning to be polluted, maybe because almost all the threads in there are receiving merits, deserved ones, but it seems like merited boards are like the light to the flies (look what`s happening with meta too, and all the crappy guides).

So maybe, in order to keep the spammers far from this one, which is already quite polluted, maybe merits shouldn`t be shown in there. I don`t know, like a kind of "hidden merit", you can see them in the people`s profile but not in the thread.
I think many of the shitposters are just seeking some reward in there, and I`m afraid it can become a useless board soon (look at was speed we have lost other boards).
Besides, I totally agree with the Pharmacist and with the rest too. Maybe the problem is not "too big" yet, but, isn`t better to be a step ahead of an incoming issue in order to keep the board?
As vpashita01 pointed to determinate what kind of posts should be in there or not is truly difficult, I agree too. But shitposters are easy to detect, and they are coming, and more are going to arrive. So Maybe The pharmacist is right or maybe by simply hiding the merit rewards in this and the IT board can help the matter.

I just see the forum being more and more polluted every single day. Of course, I`m tired of that. Reporting the shitpost in the serious discussion is a great tool, but it comes impossible to handle with time (just look at the Bitcoin Discussion or Alts boards).
I don`t know, people, I just think we need to begin to see the problems before they became impossible to fix.

[Jet Cash]

I suggested that juniors should not be able to post in serious discussion.

I's not worth reporting any thread on the beginners board. If any mod was working there, then 80% of the index would be deleted.

[detector]

Sometimes people need serious joke
So do not need to be so serious
because often get serious will got you on serious disaster

[joniboini]

Sometimes people need serious joke

In definition, a joke is not a serious thing :/
Or, are you joking right now?

So do not need to be so serious

We're literally talking about "Serious" board here.

because often get serious will got you on serious disaster

[suchmoon]

I kinda liked the idea brought up by Lafu as a bit of a joke in a different context (merit complaints) but I think it could be applied here:

Starting a thread in Serious Discussion should cost 1 merit. Going negative could be allowed so it wouldn't really prevent users from posting even if they have 0 merits but it might make them think twice.

And I also like the idea of hiding merits in Serious Discussion but these threads would have to be hidden on merit stats pages too, which might create some problems for merit abuse investigations.

[hilariousetc]

As I suggested in another thread, I think some people just see the title of the sub and think it's some sort of Politics and Society board or literally just a place for discussion on 'serious' topics. Many users are probably not even aware that posts or signatures don't even show up in there because people don't read stickies so they just spam away in there because it's another board they don't really need any technical knowledge about anything and hence why Off Topic and Politics and Society are so popular with spammers and those who know nothing about bitcoin.

I suggested that juniors should not be able to post in serious discussion.

Newbies should have to at least get one merit before they become Juniors. Would sort a lot of wheat from the chaff. I've also suggested sub boards for only those that have received a lot of merit over time.

I's not worth reporting any thread on the beginners board. If any mod was working there, then 80% of the index would be deleted.

I've requested to theymos that both Beginners and Help gets its own dedicated mod and that an Alt Coin Beginners and Help should be created since most of the threads in there are now about alt coins and bounty help. Would clean things up a lot.

[bitmover]

Maybe serious discussion board could be merited restricted? Like 10 earned merit or something like that..

I was thinking about this too, but much stricter: Forget about the rank-requirements, and only allow posts from users who earned at least a quarter of a Merit per day (since the introduction of Merit, or since registration for newer users). If a Newbie registered 2 weeks ago, and earned 4 Merit already, he should be allowed to post there. If he's not worth it, he'll lose access in a few days as he doesn't receive more Merit.
If a Legendary hasn't managed to earn about 50 Merit since January, he won't be able to post there. I'm not sure if a quarter of a Merit per day is the right amount, but this can be changed to any value that works.

This merit /activity ratio is interesting.(which is a merit per day stats, considering 1 activity=1day)
But it's hard to keep the ratio high, as you need to be very active on the forum..

In general when I am reading threads I got used to look at the merit stats. If he has earned none I just skip his comment (when there are already a few posts in the topic). It was kind of natural to me, as if the user has like 500 or 501 until now and 700 activity he is just a spammer and it is probably not worth reading what he writes.

I think the forum needs a section so exclusive that only the user making the post can see it.  We could call it the Asylum.

That's a very nice name for a board lol

Maybe this name could be used in the altcoin session, where nobody reads just spam.
Altcoin Asylum, instead of altcoin discussion board lol