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August 12, 2018, 02:52:47 PM
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1) Make it so that posts from lower ranked members don't bump the thread to the top (ideally up to Member)

They will probably start doing it with accounts >= Member that either have positive or negative trust. If they don't have them, they will start buying them in chunks from people as it does not cost a lot to buy a negative trusted account because people don't use them after they get tagged and everyone would rush in to sell them if they see an opportunity.
So maybe, in addition to that, any post from an account with any rank should not bump a thread to the top if it is red tagged. That might make it a little more workable.
 
2) Get rid of the Announcement board completely and instead charge ICOs a fee to list here and once they do they get their own sub board in the Alt Coin section.

Not sure how getting rid of the Announcement board would turn out, but I really like the idea of ICOs paying a certain fee for their listings and running bounties in the forum. I have always wondered why there hasn't been anything like that up until now.

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August 12, 2018, 03:20:00 PM
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1) Make it so that posts from lower ranked members don't bump the thread to the top (ideally up to Member)
Only for certain boards, right? A Newbie with a serious question should still get the attention he needs.

That's the point I wanted to make. Now that I manage a couple of service threads I get a lot of people that only joined the forum to ask a question or raise a support issue. It would make it difficult for me to have to keep checking to see if there were new posts.

We've discussed this recently in other threads and I still think manually approving the first post for each new account, as is done on many other forums, is the best way to combat this.

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August 13, 2018, 09:15:51 AM
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Not agree. Forum will be more spoil. They will just pay fee for board or sub-board and same will promote by alt account instead of bump. How ever it will same spam.
Better solution I think leave it same board. Yes you can suggest for fee on same board but personally I discourage.

I think restrict posting below member & reply / quote restriction below Jr. Member. So below member will not able to make thread , below Jr. will not able to reply or quote. If implement this I believe 80% spam will reduce.

Why would they use bump bots in their own sub board? It defeats the purpose. People use bump bots to bump their thread to the top for publicity over all the other ICOs.

First one : ICO don't pay anything but the manager has to open a self-moderated topic and like the wall observer topic, all reports go to the manager and he is obliged to remove the spam or else the topic will get trashed.

I like the idea but they won't do it, nor will they know how to moderate effectively here or by our standards (that's something you learn over time by reporting etc).

Second option : ICOs have to pay a fee that goes to the forum mods to clean the spam out of the forums.

ICOs should have to compensate the forum in some capacity. Not only does the forum likely lose out hundreds of thousands if not millions in potential advertising revenue as those ICOs would advertise here via banners (and many do try but theymos has blocked them from adverting now), but they also cause 95% of the spam and destruction of the forum via signature campaigns and doing nothing at all about the spam they cause. In fact, spam is good for them. The more people spamming their signature the more adverting they get for free and this is why they accept anyone and everyone. This can't be acceptable and needs to change. The longer we ignore it the more people exploit it and the worse things get. We can't let ICOs and the get rich quick schemesters behind them drive the forum into the ground. This place is an absolute paradise for them and we let them do whatever they want and this needs to change.

1) Make it so that posts from lower ranked members don't bump the thread to the top (ideally up to Member)
Only for certain boards, right? A Newbie with a serious question should still get the attention he needs.

That's the point I wanted to make. Now that I manage a couple of service threads I get a lot of people that only joined the forum to ask a question or raise a support issue. It would make it difficult for me to have to keep checking to see if there were new posts.

We've discussed this recently in other threads and I still think manually approving the first post for each new account, as is done on many other forums, is the best way to combat this.

Well I initially only suggested it for the Ann board and anywhere else where people are using paid bumping bot services to keep their thread at the top, but you could extend it to other boards where potential abuse may happen. I see a lot of idiots using shills in Digital Goods etc to ask a stupid fake question or post a fake vouch to keep the thread on top and it could certainly be used there. The thread could still show up in your 'show new replies' but it's just not bumped publicly on the board which is what they're after. If this can be implemented then I think it will render bump bots useless.

As for manually whitelisting, I think it would help clean up the forum immensely and it would stop 99% of bots from becoming an eyesore and a nuisance, but I know it will be a lot of extra work for staff (but nuking bots and also  idiots who write exclusively 'good project' is also very time-consuming). I'm also not sure whether it's something theymos would do, but it certainly should be considered and plenty of other forums already use this sort of mechanism.  

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August 13, 2018, 09:33:46 AM
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Good ideas, but those require quite a few structural changes to forum itself and the way is working, plus people to manage the whole new announcement system. As for all non trivial changes, i think is unlikely these will be even taken into consideration, unfortunately.


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August 13, 2018, 10:04:00 AM
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1) Make it so that posts from lower ranked members don't bump the thread to the top (ideally up to Member)
I like it but I've seen higher ranks do the bumping as well, so how about only bumping the thread whenever the "thread starter (OP)" posts something on the thread (this way moderators can easily monitor their actions [no loopholes])?

2) Get rid of the Announcement board completely and instead charge ICOs a fee to list here and once they do they get their own sub board in the Alt Coin section. If this happens then paid bumping is useless. Many of them would probably like having their own board and they could even be responsible for moderating it or mod it how they like.
I like this one as well but there are few things:

- Fees should be significant.
- The appearance of altcoin board, after having a lot of dedicated sub boards.
- theymos might not accept this one (in a way it has a similar effect to the "ad spaces" on this forum):

No ICOs[1], banks, funds, or anything else that a person can be said to "invest" in; I may very rarely make exceptions if you convince me that you are ultra legit, but don't count on it. Ads may be rejected for other reasons, and I may remove ads even after they are accepted.

[1]: For the purposes of forum ads, an ICO is any token, altcoin, or other altcoin-like thing which meets any of the following criteria: it is primarily run/backed by a company; it is substantially, fundamentally centralized in either operation or coin distribution; or it is not yet possible for two unprivileged users of the system to send coins directly to each other in a P2P way. The intention here is to allow community efforts to advertise things like Litecoin, but not to allow ICO funding, even when the ICO is disguised in various ways.

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