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@OP, it's better to update the title and content about ICOforums. SigCamp has released payments to all eligible participants, so it looks fair and at least restore his reputation. Payment problem for 2nd week not yet solved. They are finding another manager for manage their signature campaign. As far as I know all participant for 2nd week not yet got reward after skip previous manager. Yahoo asked them to release 2nd week payment and they are discussing about manager. I will mark it solve if they clear full payment. Thanks for suggest. SPECIAL UPDATE AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH ICO FORUMS
ME AND MY FRIEND MADE EACH 100+ POSTS BUT WE DID NOT GET PAID WEBSITE OWNER ROS SIMPLY SAID WE MADE MORE COMMENTS TO US, BUT IN HIS RULES HE MENTION TO POST COMMENTS AS WELL BUT EVERY COMMENT I MADE IS QUALITY AND EVEN MADE MORE TOPICS OWNER AT LAST MOMENT CHECK THE RECENT 10-15 POSTS AND SENT PAYMENTS TO EACH PERSON IN JUST
PEOPLE WHO WISH TO FIGHT FOR JUSTICE CAN JOIN WITH US IN OUR TELEGRAM GROUP: @justicekings
There is no more second week in the ICO forum signature campaign because it looks like Yahoo didn't accept their project,if he will then there will be new participants selection will takes place so for now that campaign ended. The problem is not with the 2nd week signature campaign,it is about their bounty contest the owner just stopped the contest inbetween without any prior announcement and skipped most of the participants application for the bounty reward just with the comment of bad quality. Bad management ruins all their reputation made in a week and also it looks like they wasted lot of money.
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August 25, 2018, 06:36:29 PM |
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Looks like that mofo iamsediii was online today:
Just look at his profile, Last Active: Today at 06:03:17 PM
That dude is checking and probably laughing his ass off.
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August 25, 2018, 07:31:25 PM |
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Looks like that mofo iamsediii was online today:
Just look at his profile, Last Active: Today at 06:03:17 PM
That dude is checking and probably laughing his ass off.
See, another reason why I'm not buying the whole "stealing" story. He went online today just to lock their signature campaign thread. Are we really gonna ignore the fact that his "friends" here won't do anything about it? Seems to me that there are more to the story than just the: ... iamsedi who handled the campaign stole 39 eth from us
which btw was already deleted on the original post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4949157.0;topicseen
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August 25, 2018, 08:01:00 PM |
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Looks like that mofo iamsediii was online today:
Just look at his profile, Last Active: Today at 06:03:17 PM
That dude is checking and probably laughing his ass off.
May be my doubts become right. I was suspect something will happen like this. Perhaps it was well planed exit. How we can believe manager isn't their team? Just make drama to cheat people. I have seen they had removed all bonus offer from their forum. What it's means? They just try to make popular their forum. Expect they are fail. I think iamsediii ( manager) also their own id. And they made a well planed drama. They play with people's.
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August 25, 2018, 08:26:06 PM |
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Looks like that mofo iamsediii was online today:
Just look at his profile, Last Active: Today at 06:03:17 PM
That dude is checking and probably laughing his ass off.
May be my doubts become right. I was suspect something will happen like this. Perhaps it was well planed exit. How we can believe manager isn't their team? Just make drama to cheat people. I have seen they had removed all bonus offer from their forum. What it's means? They just try to make popular their forum. Expect they are fail. I think iamsediii ( manager) also their own id. And they made a well planed drama. They play with people's. @jacee - I agree, there's probably a bigger picture. @Coolcryptovator - oh expect that forum to be dead soon. They bring a lot of hype on that forum, but it people still complaining that they haven't got paid then they will be no longer staying on that forum. I hope though that all data they gave to the forum during their registration will not be compromised. If we started to hear members account getting hacked specially those who joined on that forum then there will be just one suspect how their account was hack.
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August 25, 2018, 11:58:57 PM |
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Looks like that mofo iamsediii was online today:
Just look at his profile, Last Active: Today at 06:03:17 PM
That dude is checking and probably laughing his ass off.
Yes, and by the way he also answered all the DM's to him I saw some screenshots in the telegram group of ICOforum.net (@icoforumsgroup).
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August 26, 2018, 06:58:49 AM |
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Looks like that mofo iamsediii was online today:
Just look at his profile, Last Active: Today at 06:03:17 PM
That dude is checking and probably laughing his ass off.
Yes, and by the way he also answered all the DM's to him I saw some screenshots in the telegram group of ICOforum.net (@icoforumsgroup). Why he replied to DMs or PMs if he is legit then he need to post that on the bounty thread but instead of that he just locked that bounty thread and vanished again,pure scammer's thing.
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August 26, 2018, 07:47:27 AM Last edit: August 26, 2018, 12:41:53 PM by Coolcryptovator |
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Updated : 26-08-2018 As far as I know, Eventually the campaign manager and admin skip without full payment of signeture campaigner and forum posting bonus. And abruptly removed bonus offer from his forum without prior notice, which is considered for cheating.This thread remain open for future discussion if need.Look like they also ban Yahoo from their forum. Perhaps it's not original yahoo from bitcointalk.Archived from icoforum.net
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August 26, 2018, 09:29:40 AM Last edit: August 26, 2018, 11:14:30 AM by LoyceV |
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Look like they also ban Yahoo from their forum. So I take it yahoo won't be managing their signature campaign? Read the post under this one There are just so many things wrong with this disaster! I'm starting to doubt if the bounty spamming "campaign manager" really was trusted with 39 Eth. It wouldn't surprise me if that's all part of the plan not to pay participants.
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Findingnemo
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August 26, 2018, 09:48:36 AM Last edit: August 26, 2018, 11:24:17 AM by Findingnemo |
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Look like they also ban Yahoo from their forum. So I take it yahoo won't be managing their signature campaign? There are just so many things wrong with this disaster! I'm starting to doubt if the bounty spamming "campaign manager" really was trusted with 39 Eth. It wouldn't surprise me if that's all part of the plan not to pay participants. I don't think the user banned with the name of yahoo is not from our bitcointalk.Because that user banned for the reason of posting porn contents multiple times on their forum since it is against their forum rule. DO you think the yahoo from our bitcointalk will do this?
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August 26, 2018, 11:44:41 AM |
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Look like they also ban Yahoo from their forum.
So, you even didn't try to investigate the banned yahoo62278For your info, he is not the real yahoo. He was spamming the forum. That's why he was banned. Also, please do research a little but more before making a comment.
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August 26, 2018, 12:57:30 PM Last edit: August 26, 2018, 01:11:43 PM by Coolcryptovator |
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Look like they also ban Yahoo from their forum.
So, you even didn't try to investigate the banned yahoo62278For your info, he is not the real yahoo. He was spamming the forum. That's why he was banned. Also, please do research a little but more before making a comment. Cool man , I am not claiming to Yahoo. I was visited Yahoo62278 profile nothing is wrong there. May be it's not Yahoo from bitcointalk due to low posting quality. He can confirm it. Do you think I have made any bad comment about him don't think the user banned with the name of yahoo is not from our bitcointalk.Because that user banned for the reason of posting porn contents multiple times on their forum since it is against their forum rule.
DO you think the yahoo from our bitcointalk will do this?
Since I wasn't active on their forum I have no much idea why he baned. I saw his profile didn't find any porn, perhaps deleted by forum. Anyway I believe this is also a part of their drama to keep calm. It's pretty clear he isn't not Yahoo from bitcointalk. Btw , it's confirm that Yahoo not yet got any work from them.
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August 26, 2018, 01:32:35 PM |
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Yahoo will only accept the position if the devs and staffs will send an amount inside 1month or 2 weeks payment bu it will depend. I have also checked icoforums, with the activity bounty most paid are those who post 100+, and some aren't considered as good posters so in other words they are picky, and i really bet that the admin of that forum has a huge amount of eth.
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August 26, 2018, 06:34:59 PM |
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Yahoo will only accept the position if the devs and staffs will send an amount inside 1month or 2 weeks payment bu it will depend. I have also checked icoforums, with the activity bounty most paid are those who post 100+, and some aren't considered as good posters so in other words they are picky, and i really bet that the admin of that forum has a huge amount of eth.
The owner of the forum already proved that he owns the wallet that have a 1000 eth in it a week ago. He already have paid a lot of spammers in his forum. Question now is why is he spending that much in a forum? And how come he have all the money in the first place, yet he didn't hired a responsible bounty manager to handle his campaigns and manage his forum in the beginning? People need to be careful with their accounts in there. I've seen people who uses the same username registered here and then in icoforums. If the forum turns out to be a scam, I'm sure the people behind it can take advatage of users data and may even try to hack their account in bitcointalk.
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August 26, 2018, 10:05:06 PM |
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I do not have nor have I ever made an account on the ICOforum site. I wouldn't even know it existed had I not been contacted by their team to take over their campaign. Since being contacted by them, they made a group chat with me and removed me the next day without saying anything. I spoke with 1 of their team and was told to look for a pm by the admin but none has came.
I assume they either are not interested in a legit manager or have internal stuff going on. Either way I at this time am not working with that team.
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August 26, 2018, 10:53:52 PM |
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I do not have nor have I ever made an account on the ICOforum site. I wouldn't even know it existed had I not been contacted by their team to take over their campaign. Since being contacted by them, they made a group chat with me and removed me the next day without saying anything. I spoke with 1 of their team and was told to look for a pm by the admin but none has came.
I assume they either are not interested in a legit manager or have internal stuff going on. Either way I at this time am not working with that team.
LMAO, this is one of the worst campaign we had this year. I guess someone needs to create a thread before the end of the year to see which one will be voted. For 2017, this is the worst campaign I have seen: WELCOME TO C BOUNTYI assumed some internal rift or they are not that really interested on hiring you and might get someone to take the job within their circles again. Oh well, let the drama continue.
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August 27, 2018, 04:54:58 AM |
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I do not have nor have I ever made an account on the ICOforum site. I wouldn't even know it existed had I not been contacted by their team to take over their campaign. Since being contacted by them, they made a group chat with me and removed me the next day without saying anything. I spoke with 1 of their team and was told to look for a pm by the admin but none has came.
I assume they either are not interested in a legit manager or have internal stuff going on. Either way I at this time am not working with that team.
LMAO, this is one of the worst campaign we had this year. I guess someone needs to create a thread before the end of the year to see which one will be voted. For 2017, this is the worst campaign I have seen: WELCOME TO C BOUNTYI assumed some internal rift or they are not that really interested on hiring you and might get someone to take the job within their circles again. Oh well, let the drama continue. Are you in your senses or just posting shit just to complete your posts for Bustadice Campaign ? All the participants of the ICOForums signature campaigns are paid and it is one of the biggest ever campaign although it was for one week initially. Their Internal Site Campaign is also being paid with 0.5 to 1 ETH to each member. The problem with you here is that few of you here are unable to believe that their beloved Manager is not being accepted there and rest of the DT / High repute Members (who love false red painting) feeling MAD as how can those people earning good again whom few DT members have painted them wrong RED paints for their own benefits. Finally before writing posts for your campaign, please research, rather than just shit posting.
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August 27, 2018, 05:04:51 AM |
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Don't know what they want or what they are going to do. I can confirm that I have received 1.02 ETH for posting in their forum. Even, in some case, they have paid twice, sometimes 3x too. I know that's because of less experienced person. The owner @mos is a good person as far as I observed. He/she don't want to scam people. He/she is trying to pay each member who posted more than 100 posts. You can check the rewarding thread there.
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August 27, 2018, 06:24:29 AM Last edit: August 27, 2018, 06:35:36 AM by Mpamaegbu |
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People need to be careful with their accounts in there. I've seen people who uses the same username registered here and then in icoforums. If the forum turns out to be a scam, I'm sure the people behind it can take advatage of users data and may even try to hack their account in bitcointalk.
Can you re-ead your comment and still maintain the trash you are saying here? You are struggling to farm unnecessary panic and that won't scale through.Do you think the site would need anyone registering on the site before hacking their accounts when they can afford to visit BTT and copy them? Except you are suggesting that users used the same password on that site as they used here. Using the same username isn't same as using the same password. LMAO, this is one of the worst campaign we had this year.
Yes, I quite agree that there were a hell of spammers recruited for the ICOforums site but what about saying it was the highest paying bounty in a short while? I am sure you would've abandoned ships to join in if the campaign had continued longer. I hope they get their acts right and up running again.
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Gozie51
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August 27, 2018, 08:07:14 AM Last edit: August 27, 2018, 08:18:01 AM by Gozie51 |
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Don't know what they want or what they are going to do. I can confirm that I have received 1.02 ETH for posting in their forum. Even, in some case, they have paid twice, sometimes 3x too. I know that's because of less experienced person. The owner @mos is a good person as far as I observed. He/she don't want to scam people. He/she is trying to pay each member who posted more than 100 posts. You can check the rewarding thread there.
With the payment confirmation coming in from many angles on different threads plus their payments prove to different categories of participants for the one week, can we really classify the icoforum as scamming participants? For me, I'm not convinced so because payments were confirmed by those eligible to get rewards. Perhaps, there are other issues that are yet uncleared, fingers crossed. I assume they either are not interested in a legit manager...
Could they be looking for a "low" rank member of BTT because of lower charge....or they are looking for someone within there confine of friends? ... or have internal stuff going on.
This is also a possibility. We are just going to watch and see if they will eventually disappear or come up with what they have up there sleeve.
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