Tomatocage
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brb keeping up with the Kardashians
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March 03, 2014, 04:07:13 AM |
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I have retracted my initial negative rating for RGC, and here's why: Though there are allegations that he is using a method that isn't provably fair, users play at their own risk as with any other gambling site. Whether they play under the (possible) wrongful assumption that the system is fair is questionable, but not necessarily enough to warrant negative mark on their Trust. My decision isn't set in stone though, and I'll continue to monitor this thread for more evidence.
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There are several different types of Bitcoin clients. The most secure are full nodes like Bitcoin Core, which will follow the rules of the network no matter what miners do. Even if every miner decided to create 1000 bitcoins per block, full nodes would stick to the rules and reject those blocks.
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RitzGrandCasino
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March 03, 2014, 04:09:09 AM |
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I have retracted my initial negative rating for RGC, and here's why: Though there are allegations that he is using a method that isn't provably fair, users play at their own risk as with any other gambling site. Whether they play under the (possible) wrongful assumption that the system is fair is questionable, but not necessarily enough to warrant negative mark on their Trust. My decision isn't set in stone though, and I'll continue to monitor this thread for more evidence.
Thank you for your common sense. I am sure the others will use their common sense too and see the same. |
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zolace
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March 03, 2014, 05:27:15 AM
Last edit: March 03, 2014, 11:07:21 AM by zolace |
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I have retracted my initial negative rating for RGC, and here's why: Though there are allegations that he is using a method that isn't provably fair, users play at their own risk as with any other gambling site. Whether they play under the (possible) wrongful assumption that the system is fair is questionable, but not necessarily enough to warrant negative mark on their Trust. My decision isn't set in stone though, and I'll continue to monitor this thread for more evidence.
He committed retaliatory feedback against many others plus posted two casino threads in the gambling section. Plus he made threats to sue me for warning him that he had violated the TOS of the site. He made two accounts and neg me with both accounts. I dont think he deserves a retraction from anyone. My two cents. also he lies that I had asked for there software and I never had any interest opening a casino. |
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RitzGrandCasino
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March 03, 2014, 06:05:18 AM
Last edit: March 03, 2014, 06:55:47 AM by RitzGrandCasino |
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Zolace , answer the question. 3rd time we have asked.
I WILL ASK AGAIN: DID YOU WANT TO BUY OUR SOFTWARE? YES/NO
Just answer the question truthfully.
Avoidance tells us the following.
1) your a troll
2) You have no credibility
3) you make defamatory claims that are totally false. (hence the court action)
4) You are jealous of our software as you don't have the funds to buy some yourself
I think we are proving our point very well.
We are still waiting for you and your "friends" to prove their claims.
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RitzGrandCasino
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March 03, 2014, 01:51:28 PM
Last edit: March 03, 2014, 02:04:38 PM by RitzGrandCasino |
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Thank you to membersound who has also retracted the claims. The only ones not to retract are those that are prime dice signature advertisers. Funny about that.  Or a coincidence? See, the truth now prevails. |
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zolace
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March 04, 2014, 12:42:12 AM |
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Zolace , answer the question. 3rd time we have asked.
I WILL ASK AGAIN: DID YOU WANT TO BUY OUR SOFTWARE? YES/NO
Just answer the question truthfully.
Avoidance tells us the following.
1) your a troll
2) You have no credibility
3) you make defamatory claims that are totally false. (hence the court action)
4) You are jealous of our software as you don't have the funds to buy some yourself
I think we are proving our point very well.
We are still waiting for you and your "friends" to prove their claims.
Perhaps RitzGrandCasino has confused me for someone else; as I've never contacted them, nor have any interest in their software, or opening any sort of casino. Clearly they are working on a false assumption. Further, they have threatened me with a ridiculous "defamation" lawsuit in Korea; and yet, as I am an American, seems there's a bit of a jurisdictional problem for them. One might wonder how well an online casino which regularly threatens and cajoles others could operate. If you cant figure that is a yes or no, then I think you need to go back to school and get yourself a real education. |
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RitzGrandCasino
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March 04, 2014, 12:46:46 AM |
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Zolace, you are a rotten troll and lier. You slipped up. lol Now get lost. See ya in court.  |
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zolace
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March 04, 2014, 01:08:48 AM |
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Im gonna welcome my day in court and I am pleased to have you fly me at your expense to lovely Korea, as Ive heard the kimchi is delicious. I hope I can stay at your lovely RitzGrandCasino. Also a spelling tip for you, is not lier. It is spelled liar. Now see you later Hogi.
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RitzGrandCasino
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March 04, 2014, 03:24:32 AM |
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It is the only way to stop losers like you. Hit hard and keep on hitting.
You must be worried that you have broken the prime dice rules. Go cry to mummy that you may not be able to afford your next burger because you have been trolling. lol
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FUR11
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FURring bitcoin up since 1762
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March 04, 2014, 03:53:39 AM |
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I've had replies (that were relevant to his thread) deleted by RGC, so he certainly does that.
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RitzGrandCasino
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March 04, 2014, 03:58:22 AM |
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what do you know another prime dice signature troll
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FUR11
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FURring bitcoin up since 1762
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March 04, 2014, 04:05:30 AM |
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what do you know another prime dice signature troll
You need to calm down with that shit, son. PD pays (or they did until the rule change) the most per post with a history of successful payments. I'd guess 25-40% of active posters have a PD ad in their sig. You are trying to derail from the thread, which is about you scamming, not being provably fair, and deleting replies. I can't say that you are a scam, because I've never trusted you with any money. I can't say that you aren't provably fair, because honestly I doubt that I have the ability to run the math needed to check that. It would be irresponsible for me to make a statement on either of those two things. But I do have experience with you deleting replies. You deleted my replies (after you responded to them) for no good reason other then it made you look bad (because you said something that wasn't consistent with what was said in your T&C). I don't know why you would do that, I wasn't being mean or rude or hurling any sort of accusations, I just wanted a classification before I considered depositing on your site. It struck me as a very odd thing to do. |
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zolace
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March 04, 2014, 04:57:52 AM |
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what do you know another prime dice signature troll
You need to calm down with that shit, son. PD pays (or they did until the rule change) the most per post with a history of successful payments. I'd guess 25-40% of active posters have a PD ad in their sig. You are trying to derail from the thread, which is about you scamming, not being provably fair, and deleting replies. I can't say that you are a scam, because I've never trusted you with any money. I can't say that you aren't provably fair, because honestly I doubt that I have the ability to run the math needed to check that. It would be irresponsible for me to make a statement on either of those two things. But I do have experience with you deleting replies. You deleted my replies (after you responded to them) for no good reason other then it made you look bad (because you said something that wasn't consistent with what was said in your T&C). I don't know why you would do that, I wasn't being mean or rude or hurling any sort of accusations, I just wanted a classification before I considered depositing on your site. It struck me as a very odd thing to do. I agree, I guess I have a defense here when you take me to court, when you invite me to Korea. |
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spartan82
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March 04, 2014, 01:34:40 PM |
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I have retracted my initial negative rating for RGC, and here's why: Though there are allegations that he is using a method that isn't provably fair, users play at their own risk as with any other gambling site. Whether they play under the (possible) wrongful assumption that the system is fair is questionable, but not necessarily enough to warrant negative mark on their Trust. My decision isn't set in stone though, and I'll continue to monitor this thread for more evidence.
Dont mean to hurt anyones feelings here, but im just going to put a bit of information out there anyway about the specific casino platform used on RitzGrandCasino that is available from www.casinowebscripts.com Mind you, you can actually purchase this typical casino script from as low as $10,000US. Very low price for an online casino but for whoever decides to invest in this platform you risk losing your investment due to the bad name these casinos have since they are NOT FAIR after all. PROOF:    It is to my understanding that if one has the power to adjust their profit or loss %, then the outcomes are not randomised and therefore can NOT be provably fair. In no way am I affiliated with any other online casino, or Prime Dice for that matter. |
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RGBKey (OP)
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March 04, 2014, 01:45:01 PM |
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Thanks for posting that, I knew they were using a script but didn't know which one.
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spartan82
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March 04, 2014, 01:52:21 PM |
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Thanks for posting that, I knew they were using a script but didn't know which one.
Not a worry at all. Just hope it gets out there in time for people to not lose too much money on this kind of platform. Maybe tomatocage might intervene here and let the forum know about this, since noone else can post this kind of info in the casino's thread without it being deleted I suppose. |
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RitzGrandCasino
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March 04, 2014, 02:00:37 PM |
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The term provably fair was invented by 2 bitcoin game operators. This is made to their way of thinking. It doesn't mean it's right or wrong. We are fully provably fair. But then what is provably fair? Can someone come up with the equation. Actually find a equation that was not made by other operators but a respected 3rd party. Define it. And you think that even though a casino is "provably fair" it still could not cheat? Especially ones that most of you play with no graphical interface. They are the easiest to cheat with.
Let us point out to you some facts:
1) Provably fair is one of the biggest "false assurance" things out there. Just because a casino is "provably fair" doesn't mean they can't still cheat.
2) No real play for money casino gets into this provably fair stuff. Because not only it's BS. It doesn't stand for anything as it was made up by bitcoin casinos.
3) We are about to become a real play for money casino. So we would be the last to cheat people because we would be under the jurisdiction of the EU. The fines and possible jail time would not be worth it. Nothing is worth risking our licence for.
4) If these other guys are so "provably fair" and didn't cheat, then why don't they get a real licence? Now have a real hard think about it. And ask yourselves the same question.
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spartan82
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March 04, 2014, 02:11:37 PM |
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The term provably fair was invented by 2 bitcoin game operators. This is made to their way of thinking. It doesn't mean it's right or wrong. We are fully provably fair. But then what is provably fair? Can someone come up with the equation. Actually find a equation that was not made by other operators but a respected 3rd party. Define it. And you think that even though a casino is "provably fair" it still could not cheat? Especially ones that most of you play with no graphical interface. They are the easiest to cheat with.
Let us point out to you some facts:
1) Provably fair is one of the biggest "false assurance" things out there. Just because a casino is "provably fair" doesn't mean they can't still cheat.
2) No real play for money casino gets into this provably fair stuff. Because not only it's BS. It doesn't stand for anything as it was made up by bitcoin casinos.
3) We are about to become a real play for money casino. So we would be the last to cheat people because we would be under the jurisdiction of the EU. The fines and possible jail time would not be worth it. Nothing is worth risking our licence for.
4) If these other guys are so "provably fair" and didn't cheat, then why don't they get a real licence? Now have a real hard think about it. And ask yourselves the same question.
Ritz the whole point is that you specifically mention on your website that your casino is PROVABLY FAIR. All people ask of you is that you PROVE that it is fair. What you have just said now basically tells us that you cant prove its fair and now you point your fingers at other casinos saying they arent fair either so its ok for you to throw the term PROVABLY FAIR around like it means nothing. Good luck to you and your casino, really, those romanian game developers are good at what they do ill give them that much, but theres a legitimate way of running a gambling establishment and theres a shady way of running it too. Just saying. |
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