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August 29, 2018, 12:12:41 AM
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There a not single country in the world right now that is remotely capitalist. USA before 1900-1930 or so is the closest we've ever come and the USA is still living off the wealth and advantage created from that time period.

Unfortunately something like that may possibly never occur again since the USA was a very unique case where mostly independent minded people immigrated here. Most people are tribe minded group thinkers so it will be tough for anything similar to happen.

Actually, back at the beginnings of the USA, people had a very different understanding of the way things work in America.

Dig out a copy of the 4th Amendment, and notice that little word, "persons," therein. That little word is one of the most important words in the whole Constitution and Bill of Rights. The people back then understood it, and would be shocked if they knew that we don't.

Back in those days, a person was a piece of paper that was an agreement. The reason it was called a person was that it had the name of a real live man or woman on it. The person was not the man or woman. Rather, it was simply an agreement. Everybody back then understood this.

Nowadays, a person actually IS the man or woman, or worse, the opposite. The man or woman becomes the person. And this is used in court all the time.

A prosecutor makes a person/document by placing the name of a man or woman on a piece of paper, and then he and the judge talk the man or woman into essentially stating that they are the person... the piece of paper. The man or woman is made liable for whatever judgment is placed on the piece of paper, because they agreed that they were the person on the paper.

If the people ever woke up, there would be a whole bunch of dead attorneys and judges and bankers lying around all over the place. In addition, the whole country would go back to real capitalism, because everybody would realize that he had the right to make his own persons to labor for real money, rather than for Federal Reserve debt instruments.

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Yes and people sign up for this agreement by getting their SS (slave number), the true mark of the beast.

The person who gets the SSN is not the man or woman. Rather, it is the name on the SSN application or SS-4 Form. It doesn't bind anybody to anything except that which is written on the agreement. However, if some government official says it binds somebody to something, and if the man or woman agrees, then he/she is bound... not by the SSN, but by the agreement.

The SS person and the man or woman remain separate. The person receives SS checks and welfare. The man/woman benefits because they are the owners of the person. Government understands some of this, but the people rarely understand any of it.

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August 29, 2018, 12:15:33 AM
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There a not single country in the world right now that is remotely capitalist. USA before 1900-1930 or so is the closest we've ever come and the USA is still living off the wealth and advantage created from that time period.

Unfortunately something like that may possibly never occur again since the USA was a very unique case where mostly independent minded people immigrated here. Most people are tribe minded group thinkers so it will be tough for anything similar to happen.

Actually, back at the beginnings of the USA, people had a very different understanding of the way things work in America.

Dig out a copy of the 4th Amendment, and notice that little word, "persons," therein. That little word is one of the most important words in the whole Constitution and Bill of Rights. The people back then understood it, and would be shocked if they knew that we don't.

Back in those days, a person was a piece of paper that was an agreement. The reason it was called a person was that it had the name of a real live man or woman on it. The person was not the man or woman. Rather, it was simply an agreement. Everybody back then understood this.

Nowadays, a person actually IS the man or woman, or worse, the opposite. The man or woman becomes the person. And this is used in court all the time.

A prosecutor makes a person/document by placing the name of a man or woman on a piece of paper, and then he and the judge talk the man or woman into essentially stating that they are the person... the piece of paper. The man or woman is made liable for whatever judgment is placed on the piece of paper, because they agreed that they were the person on the paper.

If the people ever woke up, there would be a whole bunch of dead attorneys and judges and bankers lying around all over the place. In addition, the whole country would go back to real capitalism, because everybody would realize that he had the right to make his own persons to labor for real money, rather than for Federal Reserve debt instruments.

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Yes and people sign up for this agreement by getting their SS (slave number), the true mark of the beast.

it depends on the perspective. what a slave is. if you look at those in the power centre, they can equally be considered enslaved by the obligations they are forced to fullfil

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August 29, 2018, 12:20:36 AM
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There a not single country in the world right now that is remotely capitalist. USA before 1900-1930 or so is the closest we've ever come and the USA is still living off the wealth and advantage created from that time period.

Unfortunately something like that may possibly never occur again since the USA was a very unique case where mostly independent minded people immigrated here. Most people are tribe minded group thinkers so it will be tough for anything similar to happen.

Actually, back at the beginnings of the USA, people had a very different understanding of the way things work in America.

Dig out a copy of the 4th Amendment, and notice that little word, "persons," therein. That little word is one of the most important words in the whole Constitution and Bill of Rights. The people back then understood it, and would be shocked if they knew that we don't.

Back in those days, a person was a piece of paper that was an agreement. The reason it was called a person was that it had the name of a real live man or woman on it. The person was not the man or woman. Rather, it was simply an agreement. Everybody back then understood this.

Nowadays, a person actually IS the man or woman, or worse, the opposite. The man or woman becomes the person. And this is used in court all the time.

A prosecutor makes a person/document by placing the name of a man or woman on a piece of paper, and then he and the judge talk the man or woman into essentially stating that they are the person... the piece of paper. The man or woman is made liable for whatever judgment is placed on the piece of paper, because they agreed that they were the person on the paper.

If the people ever woke up, there would be a whole bunch of dead attorneys and judges and bankers lying around all over the place. In addition, the whole country would go back to real capitalism, because everybody would realize that he had the right to make his own persons to labor for real money, rather than for Federal Reserve debt instruments.

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Yes and people sign up for this agreement by getting their SS (slave number), the true mark of the beast.

it depends on the perspective. what a slave is. if you look at those in the power centre, they can equally be considered enslaved by the obligations they are forced to fullfil

Oh sure I'd agree with that, the ones who try and play inside the system will get decimated as well. I believe there are likely only a few hundred or less true elites/illuminati and they are not occupying any official government positions. They just hand down orders to government officials. It seems pretty obvious to me that the official presidents of countries are nothing special, just puppets for the true power. Why would anyone with true power want to actually occupy that position and deal with all the BS?
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August 29, 2018, 12:26:44 AM
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There a not single country in the world right now that is remotely capitalist. USA before 1900-1930 or so is the closest we've ever come and the USA is still living off the wealth and advantage created from that time period.

Unfortunately something like that may possibly never occur again since the USA was a very unique case where mostly independent minded people immigrated here. Most people are tribe minded group thinkers so it will be tough for anything similar to happen.

Actually, back at the beginnings of the USA, people had a very different understanding of the way things work in America.

Dig out a copy of the 4th Amendment, and notice that little word, "persons," therein. That little word is one of the most important words in the whole Constitution and Bill of Rights. The people back then understood it, and would be shocked if they knew that we don't.

Back in those days, a person was a piece of paper that was an agreement. The reason it was called a person was that it had the name of a real live man or woman on it. The person was not the man or woman. Rather, it was simply an agreement. Everybody back then understood this.

Nowadays, a person actually IS the man or woman, or worse, the opposite. The man or woman becomes the person. And this is used in court all the time.

A prosecutor makes a person/document by placing the name of a man or woman on a piece of paper, and then he and the judge talk the man or woman into essentially stating that they are the person... the piece of paper. The man or woman is made liable for whatever judgment is placed on the piece of paper, because they agreed that they were the person on the paper.

If the people ever woke up, there would be a whole bunch of dead attorneys and judges and bankers lying around all over the place. In addition, the whole country would go back to real capitalism, because everybody would realize that he had the right to make his own persons to labor for real money, rather than for Federal Reserve debt instruments.

Cool

Yes and people sign up for this agreement by getting their SS (slave number), the true mark of the beast.

it depends on the perspective. what a slave is. if you look at those in the power centre, they can equally be considered enslaved by the obligations they are forced to fullfil

Oh sure I'd agree with that, the ones who try and play inside the system will get decimated as well. I believe there are likely only a few hundred or less true elites/illuminati and they are not occupying any official government positions. They just hand down orders to government officials. It seems pretty obvious to me that the official presidents of countries are nothing special, just puppets for the true power. Why would anyone with true power want to actually occupy that position and deal with all the BS?

jes but that so called prison can also be considered as a paradise full of opportunities look how many refugees beg to be allowed to live in those "prisions" people can fullfill their dreams there, like becoming a model actor, cook etc. while in the wild middle east and africa people are being abused as cattle or direct slaves for food, by those that are armed, and those that are armed got their weapons from the west who they sold goods and ressources to because the west is stable and can develop those weapons.

so the wilderness of africa and the middle east or impoverished developing countries can be even worse prisons.

iluminati is a mental condition and everyone can join it for free its like converting to a religion, that is not defined by someone, but being in an environment defined by economic rules, and limitations

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August 29, 2018, 12:34:10 AM
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Here's How We Ended Up With Predatory, Parasitic Elites





How did our financial and political elites become predatory parasites? Some will answer that elites have always been predatory parasites; as tempting as it may be to offer a blanket denunciation of elites, this overlooks the eras in which elites rose to meet existential crises.

Following in Ancient Rome's Footsteps: Moral Decay, Rising Wealth Inequality(September 30, 2015)

As historian Peter Turchin explained in his book War and Peace and War: The Rise and Fall of Empires, the value of sacrifice was a core characteristic of the early Republic's elite:

"Unlike the selfish elites of the later periods, the aristocracy of the early Republic did not spare its blood or treasure in the service of the common interest. When 50,000 Romans, a staggering one fifth of Rome's total manpower, perished in the battle of Cannae, as mentioned previously, the senate lost almost one third of its membership. This suggests that the senatorial aristocracy was more likely to be killed in wars than the average citizen…


Read more at https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-28/heres-how-we-ended-predatory-parasitic-elites.


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August 29, 2018, 12:40:50 AM
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Here's How We Ended Up With Predatory, Parasitic Elites





How did our financial and political elites become predatory parasites? Some will answer that elites have always been predatory parasites; as tempting as it may be to offer a blanket denunciation of elites, this overlooks the eras in which elites rose to meet existential crises.

Following in Ancient Rome's Footsteps: Moral Decay, Rising Wealth Inequality(September 30, 2015)

As historian Peter Turchin explained in his book War and Peace and War: The Rise and Fall of Empires, the value of sacrifice was a core characteristic of the early Republic's elite:

"Unlike the selfish elites of the later periods, the aristocracy of the early Republic did not spare its blood or treasure in the service of the common interest. When 50,000 Romans, a staggering one fifth of Rome's total manpower, perished in the battle of Cannae, as mentioned previously, the senate lost almost one third of its membership. This suggests that the senatorial aristocracy was more likely to be killed in wars than the average citizen…


Read more at https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-28/heres-how-we-ended-predatory-parasitic-elites.


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the bitcoin pump and dumpers and its big miner boys will also evolve to predatory and parasitic elites.

i am creating for this issue a special new form of cryptocurrency

 

they are called cryptosources, they are designed to secure socioeconomic foundation and keep them running

the token are also property rights over value sources in the human infrastructure environment.

eliminating the central bank scam and abuse, forcing a huge population to sell their time while enriching the central bank minority with passive income sources.

my cryptosources will revolutionary change the industry

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September 02, 2018, 09:03:20 PM
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Socialist nations make progress when they move AWAY from socialism.

Even Cuba, today, does not ban the accumulation of private wealth. Both China and Russia support private capitalism. One may not like the Russian gangster version or the Chinese version, but they have moved FAR from socialist principles and ideology.

After the Venezuelan people restart their economy, if they still want leaders who promise them free stuff, it's pretty hopeless.

Of course, they do, the farther and farther away you get from socialism the closer and closer you get to the system that ACTUALLY WORKS!!!!!!!!

Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner.

I wouldn't even consider China a socialist country, they're really not in any regard.

Though I do hope that the people of Venezuela have learned their lesson, in that their country is ruined forever if they go down this path again. Though, people forget quickly.

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September 03, 2018, 07:01:39 PM
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Socialist nations make progress when they move AWAY from socialism.

Even Cuba, today, does not ban the accumulation of private wealth. Both China and Russia support private capitalism. One may not like the Russian gangster version or the Chinese version, but they have moved FAR from socialist principles and ideology.

After the Venezuelan people restart their economy, if they still want leaders who promise them free stuff, it's pretty hopeless.

Of course, they do, the farther and farther away you get from socialism the closer and closer you get to the system that ACTUALLY WORKS!!!!!!!!

Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner.

I wouldn't even consider China a socialist country, they're really not in any regard.

Though I do hope that the people of Venezuela have learned their lesson, in that their country is ruined forever if they go down this path again. Though, people forget quickly.

Somewhat related but certainly good for a laugh...

Even Cuba has admitted the need for a strong private sector.

https://www.local10.com/news/cuba/cubas-new-regulations-for-private-sector-faces-resistance
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