Venezuela, a fable about socialism. Part 1/2

[MbyzIco]

Many times, we believe that our reality is common to everyone, that our situations can be particular, but within a generalized environment, sometimes when we talk with one or other people, we propose solutions from our perspective, and often in this same forum, we attack or we sympathize with the positions of one or the other, but always starting from our reality.

That is why I allow myself to explain how is an average day of a person in Venezuela, with the addition of being a citizen "positive crypto" I just took this term out of the sleeve, it is simply a person who believes in the project of the cryptocurrency, understands its global value, and is willing to participate in it.

Dawn not so early, because the water faults, made you stay up late collecting water to take a bath in the morning.

Check your Rig of mining through the phone, fast, because the largest data plan is 1.5 Gb per month, noting that for some reason your WIFI service of 1 or 2 MB contracted for any reason does not work.

Your RiG stopped at 3am, because there is no internet, you restart it, counting that during the day, while you are not, the internet flies.

Sales either in your car or with the meter, which is FREE, but being free, I leave the image to give you an idea.





In any case, luckily it is Free, because there is no cash to pay the ticket, the cash for its lack, it became a good, so you can sell one million in cash in two million by bank transfer.

You arrive at your place of work, where, thank goodness, there is a 4MB internet contract for being corporate, and you can fairly navigate. well, almost, because it has constant drops.

Try to access local bitcoin to sell the mined so far (yes, I know that I speak of an RIG above, and it has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but take everything as a fable), it happens that your buyer no longer exists, and has days it does not appear.

You read a story on Instagram (the most reliable network, since there is no official information) where they say that many people were imprisoned in an operation called "paper hands" for buying and selling dollars and bitcoins (generic for cryptocurrencies).

you decide to sell the dollars directly to a third person person, and start the search for this person, at this time they offer you 3,200,000 bs per dollar, it seems unfair and you let it go.

prepare your material, since you are going to give a small talk to a group about cryptocurrencies, this time, you take your car, but first you have to load fuel, which is worth very little, for less than 1 cent of dollar you fill the tank, but the The row that you have to buy is so big, that you leave it and decide to continue like this.

You arrive at your link of the talk, it turns out that it was suspended because there is no electricity since early in the morning.

you go for a coffee and something to eat, but that costs about 5,000,000 Bs (a minimum monthly salary) remember that you must sell a few dollars, because you will not be able to eat well if you do not have bolivares.

You go to a store to talk to the owner to explain the advantages of receiving cryptocurrencies in a hyperinflationary economy, and all goes well until he asks you: Is it legal? There the world falls, you do not know what to say, the answer is yes, but if a policeman arrives no matter what the law says, he will want part of what you have collected, so this merchant decides not to expose himself and decides do not participate.

They call you to buy you the dollars, this time they offer you 3,500,000 Bs. It seems better and fair price (although you do not know that it rose to 3,800,000 Bs, that's why they offer it to you) and you decide to sell 10 dollars.

and you receive something like this:




you go through the bakery where you took the coffee, and you realize that what you ate today, tomorrow will cost 20% more, that is about 6,000,000 Bs. Better to set aside the money now, or eat at home.

[KingScorpio]

Many times, we believe that our reality is common to everyone, that our situations can be particular, but within a generalized environment, sometimes when we talk with one or other people, we propose solutions from our perspective, and often in this same forum, we attack or we sympathize with the positions of one or the other, but always starting from our reality.

That is why I allow myself to explain how is an average day of a person in Venezuela, with the addition of being a citizen "positive crypto" I just took this term out of the sleeve, it is simply a person who believes in the project of the cryptocurrency, understands its global value, and is willing to participate in it.

Dawn not so early, because the water faults, made you stay up late collecting water to take a bath in the morning.

Check your Rig of mining through the phone, fast, because the largest data plan is 1.5 Gb per month, noting that for some reason your WIFI service of 1 or 2 MB contracted for any reason does not work.

Your RiG stopped at 3am, because there is no internet, you restart it, counting that during the day, while you are not, the internet flies.

Sales either in your car or with the meter, which is FREE, but being free, I leave the image to give you an idea.





In any case, luckily it is Free, because there is no cash to pay the ticket, the cash for its lack, it became a good, so you can sell one million in cash in two million by bank transfer.

You arrive at your place of work, where, thank goodness, there is a 4MB internet contract for being corporate, and you can fairly navigate. well, almost, because it has constant drops.

Try to access local bitcoin to sell the mined so far (yes, I know that I speak of an RIG above, and it has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but take everything as a fable), it happens that your buyer no longer exists, and has days it does not appear.

You read a story on Instagram (the most reliable network, since there is no official information) where they say that many people were imprisoned in an operation called "paper hands" for buying and selling dollars and bitcoins (generic for cryptocurrencies).

you decide to sell the dollars directly to a third person person, and start the search for this person, at this time they offer you 3,200,000 bs per dollar, it seems unfair and you let it go.

prepare your material, since you are going to give a small talk to a group about cryptocurrencies, this time, you take your car, but first you have to load fuel, which is worth very little, for less than 1 cent of dollar you fill the tank, but the The row that you have to buy is so big, that you leave it and decide to continue like this.

You arrive at your link of the talk, it turns out that it was suspended because there is no electricity since early in the morning.

you go for a coffee and something to eat, but that costs about 5,000,000 Bs (a minimum monthly salary) remember that you must sell a few dollars, because you will not be able to eat well if you do not have bolivares.

You go to a store to talk to the owner to explain the advantages of receiving cryptocurrencies in a hyperinflationary economy, and all goes well until he asks you: Is it legal? There the world falls, you do not know what to say, the answer is yes, but if a policeman arrives no matter what the law says, he will want part of what you have collected, so this merchant decides not to expose himself and decides do not participate.

They call you to buy you the dollars, this time they offer you 3,500,000 Bs. It seems better and fair price (although you do not know that it rose to 3,800,000 Bs, that's why they offer it to you) and you decide to sell 10 dollars.

and you receive something like this:




you go through the bakery where you took the coffee, and you realize that what you ate today, tomorrow will cost 20% more, that is about 6,000,000 Bs. Better to set aside the money now, or eat at home.

actually this isn't socialism its also capitalism, the capital is your beloved bolivares, your capital is your central bank in venezuela. socialism is a concept of human behavior. if venezuelans dont want to work their infrastracture and destroy it through bitcoin mining they are absolutely the opposite of being socialist to each other.

you venezuelans forget that the capitalism of the united states i regionalistic, corporate and tied to its banking cartel, it is based on an army that threathens oil producing countries. not everyone can be the winner of capitalism only view. just look at crypto its also capitalism and its allbout who defines the current world currency

maduro is your capitalist he is the one that holds the pedro your national currency. the problem is with his behavior he has defined rich and poor declaring himself and his army protectors rich or even more billionaires of venezuela

[Gerald_Albright]

That's ridiculous. It seems like they're just getting deeper and deeper into a pit that will have to come to and end. This can go on forever. They're just delaying an inevitable big change. I don't completely understand how all this works, but I agree with KingScorpio. This sounds like capitalism. It's just capitalism gone wrong I suppose. This reminds me of another thread I read here about mining in Venezuela. You confirm what I originally thought. Even if you can get the gear in Venezuela, you're gonna have problems with the internet and electricity and corruption. Really doesn't sound like the best place to mine to me.

[FreeEarnsActivist]

actually this isn't socialism its also capitalism, the capital is your beloved bolivares, your capital is your central bank in venezuela. socialism is a concept of human behavior. if venezuelans dont want to work their infrastracture and destroy it through bitcoin mining they are absolutely the opposite of being socialist to each other.

you venezuelans forget that the capitalism of the united states i regionalistic, corporate and tied to its banking cartel, it is based on an army that threathens oil producing countries. not everyone can be the winner of capitalism only view. just look at crypto its also capitalism and its allbout who defines the current world currency

maduro is your capitalist he is the one that holds the pedro your national currency. the problem is with his behavior he has defined rich and poor declaring himself and his army protectors rich or even more billionaires of venezuela

>Maduro is your capitalist

What am i reading? Venezuela is a classic case of a failed socialist state. A lesson to be learned for the world... AGAIN

[MbyzIco]

actually this isn't socialism its also capitalism, the capital is your beloved bolivares, your capital is your central bank in venezuela. socialism is a concept of human behavior. if venezuelans dont want to work their infrastracture and destroy it through bitcoin mining they are absolutely the opposite of being socialist to each other.

you venezuelans forget that the capitalism of the united states i regionalistic, corporate and tied to its banking cartel, it is based on an army that threathens oil producing countries. not everyone can be the winner of capitalism only view. just look at crypto its also capitalism and its allbout who defines the current world currency

maduro is your capitalist he is the one that holds the pedro your national currency. the problem is with his behavior he has defined rich and poor declaring himself and his army protectors rich or even more billionaires of venezuela

>Maduro is your capitalist

What am i reading? Venezuela is a classic case of a failed socialist state. A lesson to be learned for the world... AGAIN

Do not worry, that is why we have learned a lot already at the world level, communism, socialists change to win elections, then shows his gifts of totalitarianism and finally in its final phase resembles classic dictatorships. but the funny thing is that when they fail, no matter what they call them, there they say that this was not the true "socialism" or that it was simply misapplied. Simple excuses to justify that in other states, at other times or with other tools, the favorite model of the bourgeois Marx is rehearsed.

[KingScorpio]

actually this isn't socialism its also capitalism, the capital is your beloved bolivares, your capital is your central bank in venezuela. socialism is a concept of human behavior. if venezuelans dont want to work their infrastracture and destroy it through bitcoin mining they are absolutely the opposite of being socialist to each other.

you venezuelans forget that the capitalism of the united states i regionalistic, corporate and tied to its banking cartel, it is based on an army that threathens oil producing countries. not everyone can be the winner of capitalism only view. just look at crypto its also capitalism and its allbout who defines the current world currency

maduro is your capitalist he is the one that holds the pedro your national currency. the problem is with his behavior he has defined rich and poor declaring himself and his army protectors rich or even more billionaires of venezuela

>Maduro is your capitalist

What am i reading? Venezuela is a classic case of a failed socialist state. A lesson to be learned for the world... AGAIN

well then do capitalism and work for the central bank of maduro.

capitalism is basically obeying and trying to earn money, but the central bank then decides for what there is money. good luck living in a society in which the central bank doesnt has any social goals.

you then have to hope to be born into the central bank running family or you are the central banks slave.

just look at zimbabwe? it is also capitalism, there is no form of socialism you either earn simbabwe dollar or you die. now make a video about the economic success of zimbabwe's capitalism

[suchmoon]

Pure "capitalism" or "socialism" or "communism" doesn't exist anywhere. Even NorK has "entrepreneurs" trying to survive under the brutally oppressive regime, and on the other hand an idealistic libertarian society can't exist because poor people dying on the streets would smell really bad after a while so the state is forced to take some action to provide basic safety net and other social(ist) services.

However a nearly-failed authoritarian regime like Venezuela does come very close to pure capitalism... except the remnants of the regime are distorting the market with stuff like cheap gas and free subway.

Thanks for the write-up MbyzIco.

[KingScorpio]

Pure "capitalism" or "socialism" or "communism" doesn't exist anywhere. Even NorK has "entrepreneurs" trying to survive under the brutally oppressive regime, and on the other hand an idealistic libertarian society can't exist because poor people dying on the streets would smell really bad after a while so the state is forced to take some action to provide basic safety net and other social(ist) services.

However a nearly-failed authoritarian regime like Venezuela does come very close to pure capitalism... except the remnants of the regime are distorting the market with stuff like cheap gas and free subway.

Thanks for the write-up MbyzIco.

the point here is that he labels venezuala as socialist, but its not socialist, in its organisational form,

venezuelas mistake was that is just distributed its earnings from oils instead of investing them to develop income sources for the population structuring their economy, in the long term

we have a similar problem in the developed west today, because established property owners of income sources have no desire for the rest of the population being able to obtain income sources they want cheap and needy salary slaves. they even tear down income sources like real estate to increase the prices limit the supply so the population that works for money is even more imprisioned.

chaves thought short term, and maduro and his military tops think even more short term, they give a damn about the majority of the population and try to survive somehow.

a socalism of that way is doomed to fail. chinese or soviet socialism/european was very different it was focused on the development of value sources, even if not very efficient.

socialism was created because there was large scale abusal of the working population beforehand. the united states never had to be socialist as it had an abundance of ressources that europe never had, europe always was forced to ship them in needing soldiers, armies etc.

regards

[suchmoon]

a socalism of that way is doomed to fail. chinese or soviet socialism/european was very different it was focused on the development of value sources, even if not very efficient.

Soviet socialism was much like Venezuelan and even worse... rampant corruption, completely distorted market, totalitarian oppression, massive propaganda to keep the population in the dark and in constant fear of imaginary enemies. Propped up by enormous natural resources and still managed to collapse.

I don't know much about China but it seems to be embracing a lot more of the capitalist perks and it has far outlived the Soviet Union so they must be smarter than Chavez or Stalin.

[KingScorpio]

a socalism of that way is doomed to fail. chinese or soviet socialism/european was very different it was focused on the development of value sources, even if not very efficient.

Soviet socialism was much like Venezuelan and even worse... rampant corruption, completely distorted market, totalitarian oppression, massive propaganda to keep the population in the dark and in constant fear of imaginary enemies. Propped up by enormous natural resources and still managed to collapse.

I don't know much about China but it seems to be embracing a lot more of the capitalist perks and it has far outlived the Soviet Union so they must be smarter than Chavez or Stalin.

soviet socialism was constantly busy building weapons protecting itself from imperialists in the usa.

us capialism is currently also collapsing since its constantly abusing the masses of the population. by a small elite sitting in the central banks

[NadiaHel]

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It is really useful to read a  thread related to the daily life there in Venezuela. One of the biggest interest of History is to analyze the daily life of the subjects of a society. So your contribution is not only amazing but also really useful in terms of history.
Sometimes I wonder why we don't discuss more such kind of matters here in the forum. I think we are forgetting all the time that this cyber place is full of people from all around the world. Even when it was meant to be a site to discuss bitcoin, one of the goals of its creation -the bitcoin creation, of course - was precisely to decentralize humankind, ok, yes, the economy, but isn' t knowledge a direct information part of an economic system?

So thanks for that. I guess this is not easy to speak so openly about your daily nightmare. But you are contributing to the decentralization of information in the world by doing so. So, again, thanks.

[Spendulus]

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us capialism is currently also collapsing...

Ah, no it is not.

[KingScorpio]

....
us capialism is currently also collapsing...

Ah, no it is not.

entire post dollar movement is end of us capitalism.

venezuela was always differant than russia or china.

it was a communist movement. that was anti western corporations

[MbyzIco]

Venezuela today has dawned with one of the most confusing economic situations, never before seen by these sides, it happens that in an arbitrary move, the president of the republic (although I refuse to give him that title, it is only referential) has anchored the economy to a cryptocurrency, it sounds for the crypto enthusiasts, within which I count, it would sound like good news, but it happens that it has anchored a new monetary cone, which is the result of removing 5 zeros from the currency, product of inflation, anchor the PETRO cryptocurrency, which is protected by untapped oil reserves. with a minimum salary increase of 5,000,000 Bs to 180,000,000 Bs. and an increase in exchange rate of Bs per dollar from 200,000 to 6,000,000.

Venezuela is convulsed since yesterday, traders do not know whether to open their doors, while entrepreneurs expect to see how things unfold, what there is is uncertainty and that is accompanied by seeing how all bank accounts were removed from the 5 zeros

Caracas remains empty waiting to understand, to see what is done.



I would like to tell you that I will continue to inform you of what is happening, but I do not know what else could happen and if I could do it.

[KingScorpio]

petro sounds like a grave nail on boliviarsindependence movement several hundred years ago

[MbyzIco]

I would like to tell you that I will continue to inform you of what is happening, but I do not know what else could happen and if I could do it.

I do not say things like these again, I just said it, and yesterday in the afternoon was an earthquake of scale 7...

Definitely, someone is playing JUMANJI and the game is not over yet.

[NadiaHel]

I would like to tell you that I will continue to inform you of what is happening, but I do not know what else could happen and if I could do it.

I do not say things like these again, I just said it, and yesterday in the afternoon was an earthquake of scale 7...

Definitely, someone is playing JUMANJI and the game is not over yet.

Ufff I heard the news!!! Are you OK??
I think this is too much, I don' t know how much a society can take without exploding into a civil war. Do you see it possible? A civil war is coming?

[KingScorpio]

I would like to tell you that I will continue to inform you of what is happening, but I do not know what else could happen and if I could do it.

I do not say things like these again, I just said it, and yesterday in the afternoon was an earthquake of scale 7...

Definitely, someone is playing JUMANJI and the game is not over yet.

Ufff I heard the news!!! Are you OK??
I think this is too much, I don' t know how much a society can take without exploding into a civil war. Do you see it possible? A civil war is coming?

jes there are many reasons, main problem in that society is that a part wants to live on the back of the other part.

stupid venezuelans think that capitalism will feed and make them rich, but they are wrong capitalism will like in russia simply remove all rewards for those not in the capital core of the structured economy. and make a small group of mainly foreign capitalists rich (usdollar) forcing venezuela to earn their paper recktangles to obtain consumption capacities.

now, foreign capitalist might do their job better than venezualan capitalists. but there are still questions open. in the end venezuela has had its independence movement from the european colonisation for a reason.

now they are suffering under it. its an extrordinary irony that venezuelans are spiting on their boliviar now.

regards

[MbyzIco]

Definitely what happens in Venezuela is a case study, it is incomprehensible what happens here, what I think happens is that it is a great laboratory of socialism of the era we live in, it is a testing ground.

It is incredible that after the earth movement that there was, in Venezuela there was not even one wounded, thank God, because there is no way to deal with a problem of a certain magnitude.

What is true and surprising, is the attitude of the people, worthy of study and capable of driving anyone crazy, but I think it would be a topic for a new post, because it is inexplicable, while all this happens, while they devalue the currency, it trembles In all the territory, three zeros are removed from the coin, there is a giant inflation, the traffic to go to the beach the weekend was incredible and I was invited last Saturday to a very big party.

I will try to summarize a bit of this social madness in another article, but the summary is, in Venezuela what happens happens, because society is not up to the events.

[KingScorpio]

Definitely what happens in Venezuela is a case study, it is incomprehensible what happens here, what I think happens is that it is a great laboratory of socialism of the era we live in, it is a testing ground.

It is incredible that after the earth movement that there was, in Venezuela there was not even one wounded, thank God, because there is no way to deal with a problem of a certain magnitude.

What is true and surprising, is the attitude of the people, worthy of study and capable of driving anyone crazy, but I think it would be a topic for a new post, because it is inexplicable, while all this happens, while they devalue the currency, it trembles In all the territory, three zeros are removed from the coin, there is a giant inflation, the traffic to go to the beach the weekend was incredible and I was invited last Saturday to a very big party.

I will try to summarize a bit of this social madness in another article, but the summary is, in Venezuela what happens happens, because society is not up to the events.

the central banksters, and the gay army and police men around them are living on venezuelan oil reserves. instead of the foreign corporation that seized the oil of the country, now they do that.

this is the consequence you got. they are what is left of venezuelans xenophobia. that was pointed on foreign corporations that were active in that region.

@MbyzIco are you a venezuelan?

but dont worry this will never end, if you remove them someone else will be in their core and centre the ressources on those that are powerful and can hold it

you know che guevaras travel through south america? you should check it. its an old movie about the 60ies there you see where the hatred came from that foundades the current governments in latin america.