Account buy - sell should be ban officially

[TalkStar]

Dear forum members,
Today I am gonna share an alarming matter which is about bitcointalk account buying and selling. let me explain:

Referrence collected from

18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

After the implementation of merit system in our forum account buy - sell growing dramatically. Its already been an real concern for all. As my thinking generally one person build his/her account after a great hardwork. It takes more than 2 years to reach on targeted rank.But
on the other hand some guys buy high rank accounts through money just only for sign campaign. Its should be stopped. Every single visitor of this forum take decisions about someone by seeing his/her accounts merit,trust,rank. If someone can easily buy that position just by spending some money then what is the price of this rank & hardwork.

I wish all  the forum member will be agree with me. Its our forum and we have to achieve our rank & position by our creativity, knowledge & unique ideas. If the option of buying account not abandoned then all of our effort is worthless.

Finally we see here in the forum that all our DT members are doing hardwork to stop account buy -sell. But account buying and selling is allowed by forum. I think account buy sell should be prevent officially and buyer- seller both should be ban.

[The Cryptovator]

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Strongly agree with OP. After implement merit system people's are more encourage to buy account. And account farmer are getting this chance to sale account. Reference was posted 21 July 2014 whice is long time ago. That time wasn't merit system. But now merit system is implemented. I think this rule should be change to keep forum corruption free. It's hard to build an account now. So don't let spammer to buy account. If account seller and buyer baned by forum than no one will be encourage to do it.

I was also think similar , but OP has been posted  .

Banning account trades in the forum might finish the deals happening in public, like in Auctions or Digital Goods sections, but they will start doing it in private like how they trade Merits right now, in Telegram groups or other places where the buyer contacts the seller and fix the deal and then picks up the supply from the forum.

At least it will stop trade account openly. Rule is too old. It should be change with timing. When officially will ban than people will not much encourage. Because if caught buyer/seller account will ban.

People can sell drugs elsewhere

Agree with it, although drugs can be sale elsewhere but it's not allowed by government's.

[Alone055]

Banning account trades in the forum might finish the deals happening in public, like in Auctions or Digital Goods sections, but they will start doing it in private like how they trade Merits right now, in Telegram groups or other places where the buyer contacts the seller and fix the deal and then picks up the supply from the forum.

[guybrushthreepwood]

Banning account trades in the forum might finish the deals happening in public, like in Auctions or Digital Goods sections, but they will start doing it in private like how they trade Merits right now, in Telegram groups or other places where the buyer contacts the seller and fix the deal and then picks up the supply from the forum.

Whilst this is certainly true, it doesn't mean they have to be allowed here. People can sell drugs elsewhere or post their ref links in telegram but admins here are not responsible for what happens off site. Personally I don't think allowing account sales here looks good at all. It seems the users of this board don't agree with it either because I see lots of people marked as scammers because they tried to buy or sell an account.

[TalkStar]

Whilst this is certainly true, it doesn't mean they have to be allowed here. People can sell drugs elsewhere or post their ref links in telegram but admins here are not responsible for what happens off site. Personally I don't think allowing account sales here looks good at all. It seems the users of this board don't agree with it either because I see lots of people marked as scammers because they tried to buy or sell an account.

Yeah I am completely agree with that....if we can just close one door of account buy - sell. it doesn't mean that it will completely shut off their activities but obviously it will make those guys to think Twice before deal with this matter and everyone will be careful about it.

[xtraelv]

It takes more than 2 years to reach on targeted rank.But
on the other hand some guys buy high rank accounts through money just only for sign campaign. Its should be stopped. Every single visitor of this forum take decisions about someone by seeing his/her accounts merit,trust,rank. If someone can easily buy that position just by spending some money then what is the price of this rank & hardwork.

Finally we see here in the forum that all our DT members are doing hardwork to stop account buy -sell. But account buying and selling is allowed by forum. I think account buy sell should be prevent officially and buyer- seller both should be ban.

There is a finite supply of legendary accounts. Eventually they will run out or become scarce.

When you buy a legendary account:

You are likely to get discovered because you don't understand the way the forum works and what is expected.

You are likely to break forum rules or protocols that will get you noticed.

You might get ripped off by a fake seller - no crypto and no account.

You might buy the account of someone who was a criminal and get busted for their crimes.

You could get banned for breaking the forum rules.

You could get tagged for account purchase.

There are a number of ways that sold accounts get detected.

[Welsh]

A few people have mentioned in the past that they would prefer the account sales to be dealt with on forum to increase the chances of them being exposed if they were to be sold. To be honest, even if we did ban account sales it wouldn't have any effect. Other than lessening the amount of threads opened in the marketplace I guess.

[Thekool1s]

Wow! Am I the only one here who is suspecting an Alt account here? The OP's post was garbage, most likely a google translation. Then comes in "Coolcryptovator" and merits him with 5 points for a shitpost.  

And this doesn't stop here. He makes another Shitpost to bump up his signature posts and guess what? Both have a motto of "Scam free Bitcointalk".

I have seen 2 "shitposts" today from users wearing the BQT signature, I will check up with the manager soon.

[guybrushthreepwood]

There is a finite supply of legendary accounts. Eventually they will run out or become scarce.

Or the value of them will just increase. Most people who have them likely aren't going to sell them, though. I feel like this account is a part of me and something I've built up over a long time.

Wow! Am I the only one here who is suspecting an Alt account here? The OP's post was garbage, most likely a google translation. Then comes in "Coolcryptovator" and merits him with 5 points for a shitpost. 

And this doesn't stop here. He makes another Shitpost to bump up his signature posts and guess what? Both have a motto of "Scam free Bitcointalk".

I have seen 2 "shitposts" today from users wearing the BQT signature, I will check up with the manager soon.

I can't comment on wether it's his alt account or not, but I think it's worthy of a merit. Probably not five, but maybe he just passionately agrees with the banning of account sales?

To be honest, even if we did ban account sales it wouldn't have any effect. Other than lessening the amount of threads opened in the marketplace I guess.

I think it would. Most people will have no idea how to get them then. They're easy to buy because they're readily available on the marketplace. It's like most people have to go to the black market for drugs, but if a store opened up at the end of their street selling drugs then they'd just go there to get their product.

[xtraelv]

Or the value of them will just increase. Most people who have them likely aren't going to sell them, though. I feel like this account is a part of me and something I've built up over a long time.

It is potentially selling your own identity. It can seriously backfire. What if it gets sold to a scammer and the police think it is you ?

I think it would. Most people will have no idea how to get them then. They're easy to buy because they're readily available on the marketplace. It's like most people have to go to the black market for drugs, but if a store opened up at the end of their street selling drugs then they'd just go there to get their product.

The reason account sales aren't banned is because they will just easily occur elsewhere. Usually with account farmers they sell both the account and the email address that it is registered to.

Total prohibition doesn't work.

In the Netherlands  "coffee shops" are allowed to sell cannabis under certain strict conditions.  Maximum 5 grams for personal use.

In the Netherlands drug use is seen as a sickness rather than a crime.

With regard to hard drugs, possession of small quantities of up to 0.5 grams/1 pill for personal use will also not be prosecuted.  As with soft drugs, the offender will have to relinquish the drugs and they will be taken out of circulation.

Source: http://www.loc.gov/law/help/decriminalization-of-narcotics/netherlands.php

Other European countries like Germany are considering similar laws.

Wow! Am I the only one here who is suspecting an Alt account here? The OP's post was garbage, most likely a google translation. Then comes in "Coolcryptovator" and merits him with 5 points for a shitpost.  

And this doesn't stop here. He makes another Shitpost to bump up his signature posts and guess what? Both have a motto of "Scam free Bitcointalk".

I have seen 2 "shitposts" today from users wearing the BQT signature, I will check up with the manager soon.

I doubt it is an "alt". Coolcryptovator has better grammar than the OP.

Perfect English is not part of my criteria for giving merit - I don't expect it to be part of other peoples criteria either.
While I didn't merit it - I can see why others would.

[jackg]

If account sales got banned, they'd just push up the price of accounts. Furthermore, places like bitify and other auction/sales sites will end up getting hit up with this instead and there'll be loads of listings for buying and selling accounts elsewhere anyway. Sure theymos controls the bitcoin board of reddit but not every forum/board that is bitcoin related. Something like this is going to do nothing.

Quite a few of those DT members have bought/sold their accounts in the past also...

[cryptaxo]

i have faked to be buyer of a legendary account, I have come to know that all the people i have met smells scammy, either they want upfront payment in crypto or they have their own front men for escrow.
I think there is no need to do anything, any buyer would be scammed few times and then quit, places like bitify can have real accounts, but we can bump them up if we team up.

[zenrol28]

When a sold account got red trust, it's just the same as getting banned because almost all of the campaigns denies a red trusted account. Which i think is already a good solution to these account buyers that uses the account for signature campaigns. Not all accounts sold were used in scams, so banning them could be somehow not cool.

[FlamingFingers]

I agree with what you said, however, I also don't think this will affect them in any way. I remember being contacted (in PM) by a newbie member back in 2017 who was willing to buy my–then Full Member account for 0.01BTC (I don't know why me in particular, as my account is insignificant on the forum, but I was actively participating in signature campaigns that paid well). They will always find a way to buy–sell accounts on here.

[jenia2]

Another dumb post. what should be done, is it should be possible to actually restore your account. and only then maybe deal with account sales.
See, account sellers are mostly providing a service in a void left by cyrus and theymos.

[Thekool1s]

I doubt it is an "alt". Coolcryptovator has better grammar than the OP.

Perfect English is not part of my criteria for giving merit - I don't expect it to be part of other peoples criteria either.
While I didn't merit it - I can see why others would.

It isn't about "perfect English" but rather creating a topic about an issue which has been discussed literally thousands of time around here. Also, they aren't doing any favour to the community by using google translate except to bump up their signature posts. That's why we have local sections. People who have trouble writing English should stick to those. Else they will end up making useless and low-quality posts.

[Karisma Black]

Wow! Am I the only one here who is suspecting an Alt account here? The OP's post was garbage, most likely a google translation. Then comes in "Coolcryptovator" and merits him with 5 points for a shitpost.  

And this doesn't stop here. He makes another Shitpost to bump up his signature posts and guess what? Both have a motto of "Scam free Bitcointalk".

I have seen 2 "shitposts" today from users wearing the BQT signature, I will check up with the manager soon.

Not the first time he's done that:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4871094

Useless threads.
Account sellers and buyers should be banned...ok and? 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Banning account trades in the forum might finish the deals happening in public, like in Auctions or Digital Goods sections, but they will start doing it in private

I hate that argument with a passion.  It's an excuse to do nothing in the face of wrongdoing, and such poor reasoning would never fly anywhere in our world of laws.

But on the other hand some guys buy high rank accounts through money just only for sign campaign.

I'm concerned about this, of course, but I'm far more concerned about scammers buying an account with green trust and high rank.  Those sorts of account sales can do a LOT of damage.  Fortunately when this happens there are usually signs that the account has been sold (change in posting habits, waking up after a long time, change in password/e-mail, and attempting to do a lot of deals at once), but you can't count on those warning signs existing. 

[TalkStar]

I agree with what you said, however, I also don't think this will affect them in any way. I remember being contacted (in PM) by a newbie member back in 2017 who was willing to buy my–then Full Member account for 0.01BTC

Thanks for sharing your experience with us. It will help us to keep an distance from this kind of account buyers.

It isn't about "perfect English" but rather creating a topic about an issue which has been discussed literally thousands of time around here. Also, they aren't doing any favour to the community by using google translate except to bump up their signature posts.

As a new member I admit that may be I haven't got vast knowledge like you. But I think by discussion I can learn and expand my knowledge. I wish I can learn a lot in future by following someone experienced like you and other DT members. In my topic I try my best to elaborate.

I'm concerned about this, of course, but I'm far more concerned about scammers buying an account with green trust and high rank.  Those sorts of account sales can do a LOT of damage. 

That's the reason why I try to put everyones attention here. Honestly it can do a lot of damage if anyone buying an account with green trust and high rank.By purchasing an high rank account scamers will be able to plant his/her fraudulent activities here. which will definitely hurt our forums reputation.

[guybrushthreepwood]

Or the value of them will just increase. Most people who have them likely aren't going to sell them, though. I feel like this account is a part of me and something I've built up over a long time.

It is potentially selling your own identity. It can seriously backfire. What if it gets sold to a scammer and the police think it is you ?

Should we also allow people to sell their identities then? Does this forum allow such things that could be used to commit fraud?

I think it would. Most people will have no idea how to get them then. They're easy to buy because they're readily available on the marketplace. It's like most people have to go to the black market for drugs, but if a store opened up at the end of their street selling drugs then they'd just go there to get their product.

The reason account sales aren't banned is because they will just easily occur elsewhere. Usually with account farmers they sell both the account and the email address that it is registered to.

Hackings will happen elsewhere. Allow hackers to sell viruses and exploits here? Where does it stop?

Total prohibition doesn't work.

Why is this same logic not applied to drugs or child porn being sold here? Prohibiting murder doesn't work either but that doesn't mean it's a free for all. There are laws for a reason.

In the Netherlands  "coffee shops" are allowed to sell cannabis under certain strict conditions.  Maximum 5 grams for personal use.

In the Netherlands drug use is seen as a sickness rather than a crime.

Using drugs isn't a crime and shouldn't be seen as one. If something doesn't hurt anyone else then it's not a crime. I'm not sure we should allow shops in malls to sell hardcore drugs to children, though.