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March 10, 2014, 09:16:33 AM
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MtGox's exchange always worked like this. There didn't have to be a RUR buyer, MtGox's bank would have done the conversion and allowed people with USD to buy the bitcoins, and seller be paid in RUR.

Are you saying that the transaction was in USD, but because after the transaction completed, the seller converted USD to RUR,
the transaction appeared in the RUR market? I find more likely that the buyer converted USD to RUR, knowing that on the RUR market
he would be able to buy with little slippage and cash out via bitcoins in January. As for the cashing out via RUR and JPY, these may have
taken some time to complete. AFAIK the JPY withdrawals worked until these big transactions happened and Gox became empty for good.
Anyway, I think that a Japanese prosecutor investigating MtGox should find out who withdrew RUR and JPY from these transactions.

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March 10, 2014, 09:26:49 AM
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Interesting article on Techcrunch:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/09/mt-gox-hack-allegedly-reveals-bitcoin-balances-customer-account-totals/

According to the article:

Anonymous hackers have defaced Mt.Gox CEO Mark Karpeles’ blog and have uploaded a data dump of customer data that, according to users with accounts on the site, is accurate. A Reddit user created an Excel spreadsheet [mirror] of anonymized user accounts with balances, and many current Mt.Gox users have found their balances present.

The text of the post reads [NSFW]:

*** SAVE THIS POST, MIRROR THE FILES, REPOST, SHARE AND KEEP THIS DATA AVAILABLE ***

http://blog.magicaltux.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/MtGox2014Leak.zip

http://89.248.171.30/MtGox2014Leak.zip

First and foremost, this is not Mark Karpeles. Fuck that bitch-titted motherfucker.
It’s time that MTGOX got the bitcoin communities wrath instead of Bitcoin Community getting Goxed. This release would have been sooner, but in spirit of responsible disclosure and making sure all of ducks were in a row, it took a few days longer than would have liked to verify the data.
Above you will finding download link and a mirror used without asking from Mark Karpeles very own blog.magicaltux.net.
Included in this download you will find relevant database dumps, csv exports, specialized tools, and some highlighted summaries compiled from data. Keeping in line with fucking Gox alone, no user database dumps have been included.
Repost and share this info before it’s gone. Lots of people, including us, lost money and coins. Upvote this post.
We stole no bitcoins. There were none to steal. If you want to donate, you can keep us full of pizzas and beers by sending coins here, 1859rayqN1X7DYjD1BrAHm4vaQxoUhhzsN .
Balance SUM for ALL USERS by currency.
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
Currency: AUD Balance: 924,124.65121
Currency: BTC Balance: 951,116.21905382 <– That fat fuck has been lying!!
Currency: CAD Balance: 320,184.36558
Currency: CHF Balance: 99,487.07308
Currency: CNY Balance: 297,775.78994
Currency: DKK Balance: 112,264.56207
Currency: EUR Balance: 5,634,625.59531
Currency: GBP Balance: 921,892.96793
Currency: HKD Balance: 740,519.14894
Currency: JPY Balance: 384,885,150.13700
Currency: NOK Balance: 91,346.00305
Currency: NZD Balance: 58,224.95320
Currency: PLN Balance: 1,645,194.67364
Currency: RUB Balance: 551,162.54477
Currency: SEK Balance: 15,335.84383
Currency: SGD Balance: 43,193.59706
Currency: THB Balance: 666,464.33497
Currency: USD Balance: 30,611,805.67481
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
Total BTC Deposits: 19,065,241.307202
Total BTC Withdrawl: 18,563,466.149383
————————————
BTC Difference: 501,775.157819
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]

The most important number, obviously, is the 951,116.21905382 balance. As you recall, Mt.Gox filed for bankruptcy while stating a 850,000 BTC loss. This would suggest Karpeles’ estimates were off by a large margin. Whether all of this is accurate or not is an entirely different manner. What the leak does show us is how easy it was to grab nearly all of Mt.Gox’s user data as well as how hardened Karpeles’ blog was. Furthermore, the files contain the app Mt.Gox admins used to manage transfers. A screenshot appears below.



Who hacked Mt.Gox? The leak contains some clues. A visit to the above-mentioned mirror brings a link to the zip file and a note: “I hated working with you. You deserve everything you get for what you did.”

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March 10, 2014, 11:45:41 AM
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an interesting article on karpeles

http://www.dailytech.com/Bitcoin+King+Pt+II+Mt+Goxs+Dictator+Karpels+Proves+Tragically+Flawed/article34452.htm
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March 10, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
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1. From https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140228-announcement_eng.pdf MtGox's statement:

At the start of February 2014, illegal access through the abuse of a bug in the bitcoin system resulted in an increase in incomplete bitcoin transfer transactions and we discovered that there was a possibility that bitcoins had been illicitly moved through the abuse of this bug. As a result of our internal investigation, we found that a large amount of bitcoins had disappeared. Although the complete extent is not yet known, we found that approximately 750,000 bitcoins deposited by users and approximately 100,000 bitcoins belonging to us had disappeared. We believe that there is a high probability that these bitcoins were stolen as a result of an abuse of this bug and we have asked an expert to look at the possibility of a criminal complaint and undertake proper procedures.

One would expect that MtGox reported a possible crime of theft to the police to be investigated, right?


2. From the same MtGox's statement:

Regarding the filing of a complaint or damages report, an expert has been mandated and investigations have started. We will make all efforts to ensure that crimes are punished and damages recovered. Further we will fully cooperate with inquiries from authorities and investigations related to this matter, in Japan or overseas.

It doesn't say the crime was reported to the authorities, it doesn't say who mandated the expert and who is in charge of investigations (Karpeles himself, a police detective, who?). It doesn't say MtGox is co-operating with authorities, it only says mtGox will co-operate in the future provided the authorities will inquire.


3. From the same MtGox's statement:

(4) Supervisor:   Nagashima Ohno & Tsunematsu, Attorney-at-law, Nobuaki Kobayashi
(5) Investigator: idem (the same as the above)


From what I understand, the supervisor and the investigator is one person: Mr. Nobuaki Kobayashi from a private law firm Nagashima Ohno & Tsunematsu - he is the mandated expert in charge of the investigation. LOL.

Given the above, I assume:
- the authorities (police) were not notified about the crime of theft that Karpeles claims might have occured at MtGox
- the investigator is not an independent trained detective, but some attorney (a clerk probably chosen by and paid by Karpeles)


4. We need someone who speaks Japanese to find out if police investigation in the matter of theft started or not.


5. From the same MtGox's statement:

Please refrain from contacting the office of the supervisor/investigator.

I wonder why should anyone refrain from contacting the investogator  Huh
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March 10, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
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He's not part of Law Enforcement. He's "investigating" the bankruptcy stuff. It's a weird title but he is not what you think he is.

We have no infoabout a criminial investigation by the police regarding the theft of the coins. Marks priorities are warning people of spam and chasing the two hackers who hacked him LOL. Who cares about 500k missing coins?
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March 10, 2014, 05:17:02 PM
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4. We need someone who speaks Japanese

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Get that Satoshi guy, he speaks native Japanese but his family says he is a real asshole.  [shrug]

It's weird how little help is being given, this whole thing is just pure crime, they aren't even pretending to try imo.

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March 10, 2014, 06:31:25 PM
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He's not part of Law Enforcement. He's "investigating" the bankruptcy stuff.

Yeah, it is this guy: http://www.noandt.com/en/lawyers/nbk.php
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March 10, 2014, 07:31:28 PM
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4. We need someone who speaks Japanese to find out if police investigation in the matter of theft started or not.

From a chat on IRC ##mtgox-chat:

17:20:41   Aido  how can a crime be reported in Japan?
17:20:50   yerp  easy Aido
17:20:58   yerp  are you in Tokyo?
17:21:07   Aido  nope, that's the problem.
17:21:32   yerp  Do you want to report gox or Mark?
17:21:38   yerp  or are you talking about reporting the hackers
17:22:48   Aido  Mark has stated that they were looking to file a criminal complaint regarding theft of coins. This has not been done, should it be?
17:23:31   yerp  Aido: he could of done it, but he won't tell us.   A few of us have already filed ones separately in Tokyo against Mark/Gox.
17:24:00   sangbr  Aido: agree, we should do it instead... as our coins were stolen right?
17:24:03   Aido  yerp: OK, thanks. That answers my question.

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bitcoin-cli sendtoaddress 1Aidan4r4rqoCBprfp2dVZeYosZ5ryVqH6 `bitcoin-cli getbalance`
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17:23:31   yerp  Aido: he could of done it, but he won't tell us.   A few of us have already filed ones separately in Tokyo against Mark/Gox.

Do we know which precinct -> police officers and prosecutors are handling / investigating against Mark/Gox?

Do we know if these police officers and / or prosecutors speak English?

Do we know what measures were taken against Mark/Gox (passport taken away, etc.)?
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There's a rumor that the remaining Gox coins are being anonymized, possibly using CoinJoin. Anyone can confirm this?

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March 11, 2014, 03:22:42 AM
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There's a rumor that the remaining Gox coins are being anonymized, possibly using CoinJoin. Anyone can confirm this?

coinjoin and or any other company that is found to be complicit in any activity to defraud the bitcoin community will be subject to both the community and or various authorities

in the case of mixers if you can determine that any such funds have entered such mixer it shall be sufficient evidence to hold such mixer up for public condemnation.


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There's a rumor that the remaining Gox coins are being anonymized, possibly using CoinJoin. Anyone can confirm this?

coinjoin and or any other company that is found to be complicit in any activity to defraud the bitcoin community will be subject to both the community and or various authorities

in the case of mixers if you can determine that any such funds have entered such mixer it shall be sufficient evidence to hold such mixer up for public condemnation.



coinjoin is not a company, but a type of bitcoin transfer. You can do that without any company cooperating https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0
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coinjoin and or any other company that is found to be complicit in any activity to defraud the bitcoin community will be subject to both the community and or various authorities

in the case of mixers if you can determine that any such funds have entered such mixer it shall be sufficient evidence to hold such mixer up for public condemnation.

The fight against money laundering goes on on all fronts.  Call it what you will, but there will always be tumblers and laundromats to wash the shit from people's undies haha.  Washing out blood and shit from clothing actually has made fortunes.  All laundries serve good purpose, because they do not ask where blood or shit comes from.  Cheesy  but you are right man, screw the coin thieves, they aren't like pizzarias and chinese restaurants laundering cash, this is way way worse.  And yet, the fact that the FBI has locked up 10% of bitcoin without much ado, means coin tumbling will remain a viable defense for anyone who sees the FBI for what it is: A non Constitutional entity which has no business stealing the world's wallets.  So, until the FBI stands up and become responsible for their thefts, and also the fraud of the drug war be repudiated, then maybe regular people can feel safe, but not today.  So, tumblers are still good and I want them to work, not because I am a dogshit coinstealing thief, but because I would rather let the thief get away and protect the 100 innocents who he doesn't care about, and whose coins also get robbed/locked away.  So, it is complicated but yes my coinbrother, speak your rage and solutions, the audience is listening.

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March 11, 2014, 03:58:13 AM
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There's a rumor that the remaining Gox coins are being anonymized, possibly using CoinJoin. Anyone can confirm this?

coinjoin and or any other company that is found to be complicit in any activity to defraud the bitcoin community will be subject to both the community and or various authorities

in the case of mixers if you can determine that any such funds have entered such mixer it shall be sufficient evidence to hold such mixer up for public condemnation.



coinjoin is not a company, but a type of bitcoin transfer. You can do that without any company cooperating https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0

thanks for the correction,  given what I read about coinjoin at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0  such action simply provides additional corroborating documentation

 

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coinjoin and or any other company that is found to be complicit in any activity to defraud the bitcoin community will be subject to both the community and or various authorities

in the case of mixers if you can determine that any such funds have entered such mixer it shall be sufficient evidence to hold such mixer up for public condemnation.

The fight against money laundering goes on on all fronts.  Call it what you will, but there will always be tumblers and laundromats to wash the shit from people's undies haha.  Washing out blood and shit from clothing actually has made fortunes.  All laundries serve good purpose, because they do not ask where blood or shit comes from.  Cheesy  but you are right man, screw the coin thieves, they aren't like pizzarias and chinese restaurants laundering cash, this is way way worse.  And yet, the fact that the FBI has locked up 10% of bitcoin without much ado, means coin tumbling will remain a viable defense for anyone who sees the FBI for what it is: A non Constitutional entity which has no business stealing the world's wallets.  So, until the FBI stands up and become responsible for their thefts, and also the fraud of the drug war be repudiated, then maybe regular people can feel safe, but not today.  So, tumblers are still good and I want them to work, not because I am a dogshit coinstealing thief, but because I would rather let the thief get away and protect the 100 innocents who he doesn't care about, and whose coins also get robbed/locked away.  So, it is complicated but yes my coinbrother, speak your rage and solutions, the audience is listening.


Just by the evidence I see on this one thread so far I have already determined that it was EXTREMELY easy for Mt Gox to have GIVEN IN to the enormous temptation to steal the funds from himself.  He saw so many scams, he saw it go uncorrected, and unpunished for years.  He clearly wrestled with the good and bad thoughts for quite some time, but probably found himself siding with bad more often than good.  It's very likely that this was his wacky retirement plan since the last time he screwed the community.  

But here's the thing, now that a half billion is gone, the system is lined up for BTC-e to be next, and to take it to a higher level.   But unless they do it within the next few months it will likely be no more btc because the market is shrinking down to nothing.  

Who would think $800+ would be the high for 2014 when in 2013 projections were $50K+ btc for 2014?  

The system simply cannot tolerate any more mass blunders or plunders, that's why the money must be found AND the exchanges must initiate massive change.

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Just by the evidence I see on this one thread so far I have already determined that it was EXTREMELY easy for Mt Gox to have GIVEN IN to the enormous temptation to steal the funds from himself.  He saw so many scams, he saw it go uncorrected, and unpunished for years.  He clearly wrestled with the good and bad thoughts for quite some time, but probably found himself siding with bad more often than good.  It's very likely that this was his wacky retirement plan since the last time he screwed the community.  

But here's the thing, now that a half billion is gone, the system is lined up for BTC-e to be next, and to take it to a higher level.   But unless they do it within the next few months it will likely be no more btc because the market is shrinking down to nothing.  

Who would think $800+ would be the high for 2014 when in 2013 projections were $50K+ btc for 2014?  

The system simply cannot tolerate any more mass blunders or plunders, that's why the money must be found AND the exchanges must initiate massive change.

I agree with your salient analysis, but would also add this bit:  BTC-e isn't the same because they have other crypto, I mean, I have very little BTC there but I do have a few LTC there.  So your comparison does bear a bit more discussion, but I am not worried about btc-e because their product is and was far superior to Gox imo.  I never used Gox but a tiny bit, never verified.  But I do use BTC-e and I have no problem with them. 

But your point is valid, how much outright theft (even if by the holy FBI themslefes) can a blockchain bear?

Oh well, even if BTC goes south I have divested into other blockchains as well, I believe in cryptocoin so really it is just a question of where the money flows.  I wouldn't be surprised also, if the BTC blockchain is suddenly managed by better people.  I suspect they might fight to bring back SR?  I myself felt that BTC was synonymous with freedom but also there needs to be a self-policing factor, like what they tried to do by hahaha supposedly threatening some dude's life.  Well, that's kinda okay if it was the dude who stole 800k coins from Gox, let that asshole be cut down slowly.  But also the self policing is NOT transparent, so it is like SR = freedom = black market money ...And now that's not only over, but the gag orders and lawyer-feast is causing all coins to be snatched up or captured by law enforcement actors.

I don't agree that this was his retirement plan, lol.  He'd have to be as stupid as fuck to think that.  I think he is acting like a captured pawn, totally unafraid so long as he obeys the cops who hold his nutsack.  Just like Sabu who got turned right around and used like a little bitch and then what? 

I appreciate how you pointed out that he would have been able to watch the previous fiascos and think to himself, "Hmmm..."  Haha, you really described that to a t.  It is possible, but I just think he's being weak and cooperating with the strength and the strength is the FBI prosecuting what they call "The Holy Drug War of Earth 21st Century".  They have the power to snatch up another 1 million bitcoins in a similar way.  I bet in the end it might be tremendously profitable for some clever rogue agent or lawyer or gangster.  Yes my friend, you make great points about how crime goes unpunished on this world.  It sure does.

Check out my prescient ATS thread from 2008: "Windows XP: End the Cyberwar, Open the Code Now!" http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread411978/pg1
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Just by the evidence I see on this one thread so far I have already determined that it was EXTREMELY easy for Mt Gox to have GIVEN IN to the enormous temptation to steal the funds from himself.  He saw so many scams, he saw it go uncorrected, and unpunished for years.  He clearly wrestled with the good and bad thoughts for quite some time, but probably found himself siding with bad more often than good.  It's very likely that this was his wacky retirement plan since the last time he screwed the community.  

But here's the thing, now that a half billion is gone, the system is lined up for BTC-e to be next, and to take it to a higher level.   But unless they do it within the next few months it will likely be no more btc because the market is shrinking down to nothing.  

Who would think $800+ would be the high for 2014 when in 2013 projections were $50K+ btc for 2014?  

The system simply cannot tolerate any more mass blunders or plunders, that's why the money must be found AND the exchanges must initiate massive change.

I agree with your salient analysis, but would also add this bit:  BTC-e isn't the same because they have other crypto, I mean, I have very little BTC there but I do have a few LTC there.  So your comparison does bear a bit more discussion, but I am not worried about btc-e because their product is and was far superior to Gox imo.  I never used Gox but a tiny bit, never verified.  But I do use BTC-e and I have no problem with them.  

But your point is valid, how much outright theft (even if by the holy FBI themslefes) can a blockchain bear?

Oh well, even if BTC goes south I have divested into other blockchains as well, I believe in cryptocoin so really it is just a question of where the money flows.  I wouldn't be surprised also, if the BTC blockchain is suddenly managed by better people.  I suspect they might fight to bring back SR?  I myself felt that BTC was synonymous with freedom but also there needs to be a self-policing factor, like what they tried to do by hahaha supposedly threatening some dude's life.  Well, that's kinda okay if it was the dude who stole 800k coins from Gox, let that asshole be cut down slowly.  But also the self policing is NOT transparent, so it is like SR = freedom = black market money ...And now that's not only over, but the gag orders and lawyer-feast is causing all coins to be snatched up or captured by law enforcement actors.

I don't agree that this was his retirement plan, lol.  He'd have to be as stupid as fuck to think that.  I think he is acting like a captured pawn, totally unafraid so long as he obeys the cops who hold his nutsack.  Just like Sabu who got turned right around and used like a little bitch and then what?  

I appreciate how you pointed out that he would have been able to watch the previous fiascos and think to himself, "Hmmm..."  Haha, you really described that to a t.  It is possible, but I just think he's being weak and cooperating with the strength and the strength is the FBI prosecuting what they call "The Holy Drug War of Earth 21st Century".  They have the power to snatch up another 1 million bitcoins in a similar way.  I bet in the end it might be tremendously profitable for some clever rogue agent or lawyer or gangster.  Yes my friend, you make great points about how crime goes unpunished on this world.  It sure does.

My friend when btc catches a cold, litecoin get's pneumonia, most other coins are either dead or on life-support.    

Trust is what enables the protocol to scale, without the trust mechanism only a few tech-heads around the world will use the protocol, via P2P, OT, and the like.

None of that is worth VC money, or attractive to associated service companies ... long story short, if the system wasn't created with built-in trust, isn't reinforced by trust, or trust cannot be guaranteed then it will never scale.  

The BTC community, and by extension the whole cryptocurrency industry must prove that trust reasonably exists within the btc system for it to survive.

If done right, the cryptocurrency industry can produce TRILLIONAIRES not just millionaires, or billionaires.  
 








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My friend when btc catches a cold, litecoin get's pneumonia, most other coins are either dead or on life-support.    

Trust is what enables the protocol to scale, without the trust mechanism only a few tech-heads around the world will use the protocol, via P2P, OT, and the like.

None of that is worth VC money, or attractive to associated service companies ... long story short, if the system wasn't created with built-in trust, isn't reinforced by trust, or trust cannot be guaranteed then it will never scale.  

The BTC community, and by extension the whole cryptocurrency industry must prove that trust reasonably exists within the btc system for it to survive.

If done right, the cryptocurrency industry can produce TRILLIONAIRES not just millionaires, or billionaires.  

So true, thanks very much for saying it.

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17:23:31   yerp  Aido: he could of done it, but he won't tell us.   A few of us have already filed ones separately in Tokyo against Mark/Gox.

Do we know which precinct -> police officers and prosecutors are handling / investigating against Mark/Gox?

Do we know if these police officers and / or prosecutors speak English?

Do we know what measures were taken against Mark/Gox (passport taken away, etc.)?

Hey Loozik, after reading some of your posts in different threads for me you sound rather keen in bringing light into the real OFFICIAL situation in Japan.
Today I have written two letters to both of the defending attorneys of Mt.Gox and i would really like you to do the same.
They must nur neglect their duty to answer you general questions about the Mt.Gox-case, i.e. whether there was already some offcial claim at Japanese authorities or not.

I totally admit, that we have to make sure, that some offcials are already involved, since concerning the lies Karpeles is only amenable to law not to us (the community) and he can simply proceed lying to people as long as they are no official persons of Japanese law.
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Hey Loozik, after reading some of your posts in different threads for me you sound rather keen in bringing light into the real OFFICIAL situation in Japan.

I am keen to be informed about FACTUAL situation of what happened and what happens.

1. For many months I had a theory that problems at Gox were caused by Gox being an aquisition target and I defended Karpeles and Gox. I thought all these Kolin Burges guys were just paid by someobody who wanted to take over Gox in a hostile way: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465071.msg5157547#msg5157547 When two-bit-idiot released the recovery plan I simply laughed - you don't write recovery plans like this! One page of financial data. LOL. This recovery plan was a fake - it couldn't have been written by an employee of an advisory firm. There should have been many pages with financial data (including projections). If you ever had anything to do with financial analysis, banking, accounting, you'd new it was a fake (ask a friend who works in banking). The recovery plan looked as if written by a five year old.

2. Then shit came out and trading was halted. The ''official'' story was published by Mark Karpeles on Gox's website (possible hack and theft). At first I wanted TBF to investigate this hack: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494146.0;all as I really believed there was a hack. As I was evaluating the charts however, I concluded that most of the assets were already gone before the supposed hack happened.

3. Naturally, when you arrive at the conclusion that you were lied to / that the official story was incorrect, you - if you are inquisitive - you try to re-create the factual story based on facts and evidence (ideally) within your knowledge. If you don't have facts and evdence, you look for them. If you can't find it, you make conspiracy theories.

4. Evidence / facts / reasonings were:
- a massive flood of ''leaks'' and ''evidence'' happened - my gut feeling is that if you are a hacker, you want to keep your operation small; you don't create lots of documents that someone can trace back to you and you do not leak them coincidently when your hack happens, therefore there was not a hack; leaks and evidences were produced to cover somebodys' asses;
- chart analysis led me to conclude there was a transfer of assets out of Gox ahead of the supposed hack and theft;
- apart from eliminating unknown hackers, I also eliminated governments: hacking to steal is not their modus operandi (they extort wealth, not steal wealth);
- the only conclusion was that Gox was drained of fiat and coins by insiders and that Gox collapse was orchestrated in advance by Mark's friends, and that these leaks were a distraction to blind us from what was happening and from what would be happening.

5. Have you ever met conflicting politicians in your life? They quarell with each other in the parliament, they sue each other in front of the cameras. But they do not quarell in private lives. They are friends in private lives. They only run a show for you to decide which of them represents you better, they run the show with one goal in their mind: to get your money.

6. What if the quarells between guys from TBF were fake / staged as as well? What if Karpeles and TBF guys are in fact friends in private lives? What would their goal be I wonder? What if there never was a real conflict of interest between members of TBF? - if these assumptions are true, then - conspiracy theory - at some point in time one could expect that masses would be robbed...

7. When masses are robbed by politicians, there are always calls for removing the bad old filthy generation of politicians. And these calls are answered - old greedy politicians leave the stage with cases full of cash and retire happily, and the younger politicians who supposedly opposed the old ones make it to the top. Then after a few years the story is repeated.

8. What if TBF is just a show for the masses?



Today I have written two letters to both of the defending attorneys of Mt.Gox and i would really like you to do the same.
They must nur neglect their duty to answer you general questions about the Mt.Gox-case, i.e. whether there was already some offcial claim at Japanese authorities or not.

I totally admit, that we have to make sure, that some offcials are already involved, since concerning the lies Karpeles is only amenable to law not to us (the community) and he can simply proceed lying to people as long as they are no official persons of Japanese law.

Have you written these letter in Japanese? Are you a native speaker?
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