The difference between science and religion

[BADecker]

Many people believe science is true. But science, itself, shows that it is often wrong, and the wrong is only figured out later.

That's just false, science has never been wrong.

Scientific theories, however, have limits. Science is not the theories, but the method, the scientific method. And the method is not wrong, it never was. The scientific method indeed is used to limit the validity of the models behind the scientific theories, so that we can afterwards improve it with better theories/models.

Science is true, it's just a method of generating knowledge. Religion is a method of keeping yourself from acquiring any new knowledge at all.

Scientific findings that are misinterpreted don't suddenly stop being considered science just because they are wrong. After all, they can be wrong for a long time before the wrongness is found out. If they are considered right, even when they are really wrong, they are still considered to be science. Maybe when it is found out that they are wrong, then they might not be considered science any longer... maybe.


Have you ever seen an artificial ant colony, say in a lab? What if there is a Being so far beyond us, scientifically, that we can see nothing of Him? In fact, the universe is something that He made like we make artificial ant colonies. His science is way beyond anything that we can even discover or visualize. We think we feel His presence at times, but the only way we could ever find out anything about Him is through revelation... where He tells us about Himself.

If such a Being is the reality, our tiny understanding of His revelations about Himself would be religion for us. Since looking at science from certain directions shows that this Being exists, and since there is no science that comes close to saying that He doesn't, religion is actually the science that is greater than man's science.

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[Lambowei]

Scientific findings that are misinterpreted don't suddenly stop being considered science just because they are wrong. After all, they can be wrong for a long time before the wrongness is found out. If they are considered right, even when they are really wrong, they are still considered to be science. Maybe when it is found out that they are wrong, then they might not be considered science any longer... maybe.

That's just humans failing at trying to do proper science. Don't blame that on science itself, humans are just humans.

Have you ever seen an artificial ant colony, say in a lab? What if there is a Being so far beyond us, scientifically, that we can see nothing of Him? In fact, the universe is something that He made like we make artificial ant colonies. His science is way beyond anything that we can even discover or visualize. We think we feel His presence at times, but the only way we could ever find out anything about Him is through revelation... where He tells us about Himself.

If such a Being is the reality, our tiny understanding of His revelations about Himself would be religion for us. Since looking at science from certain directions shows that this Being exists, and since there is no science that comes close to saying that He doesn't, religion is actually the science that is greater than man's science.

We humans have the ability to think, make abstract arguments, even create tools to go way beyond our senses and inherent limitations. I haven't seen ants build a radiotelescope to see beyond their senses and see the human in the lab.

[BADecker]

Scientific findings that are misinterpreted don't suddenly stop being considered science just because they are wrong. After all, they can be wrong for a long time before the wrongness is found out. If they are considered right, even when they are really wrong, they are still considered to be science. Maybe when it is found out that they are wrong, then they might not be considered science any longer... maybe.

That's just humans failing at trying to do proper science. Don't blame that on science itself, humans are just humans.

Have you ever seen an artificial ant colony, say in a lab? What if there is a Being so far beyond us, scientifically, that we can see nothing of Him? In fact, the universe is something that He made like we make artificial ant colonies. His science is way beyond anything that we can even discover or visualize. We think we feel His presence at times, but the only way we could ever find out anything about Him is through revelation... where He tells us about Himself.

If such a Being is the reality, our tiny understanding of His revelations about Himself would be religion for us. Since looking at science from certain directions shows that this Being exists, and since there is no science that comes close to saying that He doesn't, religion is actually the science that is greater than man's science.

We humans have the ability to think, make abstract arguments, even create tools to go way beyond our senses and inherent limitations. I haven't seen ants build a radiotelescope to see beyond their senses and see the human in the lab.

Except that we aren't scientifically advanced enough yet, to be sure that our abstract thinking arguments aren't really just some programming. After all, science isn't willing to even accept that souls and spirits are real. So to the scientists that think this way, it's all programming by nature.

Since they can't think well enough to understand that programming has a programmer, they don't understand God the Creator Being.

[Lambowei]

After all, science isn't willing to even accept that souls and spirits are real.

And you're not willing to accept that the Flying Spagueti Monster is real.

Since they can't think well enough to understand that programming has a programmer, they don't understand God the Creator Being.

There's only one god and it's this one:



Do you understand that?

[BADecker]

After all, science isn't willing to even accept that souls and spirits are real.

And you're not willing to accept that the Flying Spagueti Monster is real.

Since they can't think well enough to understand that programming has a programmer, they don't understand God the Creator Being.

There's only one god and it's this one:

https://media.swncdn.com/cms/RT/71448-flying-spaghetti-monster-memoangeles.1200w.tn.jpg

Do you understand that?

Everybody who knows about the FSM understands that it exists... in the minds of its believers. But there probably aren't really any FSM believers, since the whole FSM idea is there simply to contradict the One God Almighty.

Since nature and science show that God exists, and since the power of the Bible shows that God is not like the FSM, if there happens to be a FSM believer, he is more deluded than someone who believes in a God other than the One God Almighty.

So you see? I understand. The question is if you ever will.

Now, what does your blabber have to do with the difference between science and religion?

[Lambowei]

Everybody who knows about the FSM understands that it exists... in the minds of its believers.

Same thing could be said about your religion or any other for that matter.

But there probably aren't really any FSM believers, since the whole FSM idea is there simply to contradict the One God Almighty.

That's what you say. I say that there's no true believer on your god/religion, it's all fake. Of course one cannot get inside the mind of other people, but we all know that your religion is fake and no one really believes in it.

Since nature and science show that God exists

That's false. There's no scientific demonstration of its existence.

, and since the power of the Bible shows that God is not like the FSM

No one believes in the bible, you all are faking it.

if there happens to be a FSM believer, he is more deluded than someone who believes in a God other than the One God Almighty.

One God Almighty is the FSM.

So you see? I understand. The question is if you ever will.

Now, what does your blabber have to do with the difference between science and religion?

Says the one that blabbers without understanding what science is.

[BADecker]

Everybody who knows about the FSM understands that it exists... in the minds of its believers.

Same thing could be said about your religion or any other for that matter.

That's a really quaint religion you just expressed there. Do you really believe it?

But there probably aren't really any FSM believers, since the whole FSM idea is there simply to contradict the One God Almighty.

That's what you say. I say that there's no true believer on your god/religion, it's all fake. Of course one cannot get inside the mind of other people, but we all know that your religion is fake and no one really believes in it.

The reason why there are true Christian believers is that God holds their faith in place. And the strength of the Bible proves it.

Since nature and science show that God exists

That's false. There's no scientific demonstration of its existence.

That's merely part of your religion. If you combine cause-and-effect, with entropy, with complexity - in a detailed study - the answer is God.

, and since the power of the Bible shows that God is not like the FSM

No one believes in the bible, you all are faking it.

When you understand the strength of the Bible, you will believe it, as well. Consider. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the Bible has been hand copied almost exactly for 1900 years. This shows strength. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient copies of the Bible, even though some are only fragments. People don't do this except if there is power in what they are hand copying. They believed. I believe. Thousands of other people believe.

Islamic terrorists are trying to force themselves to believe something that there isn't really any strength in.

if there happens to be a FSM believer, he is more deluded than someone who believes in a God other than the One God Almighty.

One God Almighty is the FSM.

Another part of your fake religion.

So you see? I understand. The question is if you ever will.

Now, what does your blabber have to do with the difference between science and religion?

Says the one that blabbers without understanding what science is.

Now, you are blabbering some more stuff.

Your religion doesn't have much base. The fact that you can't logically answer my points, yet you keep on blabbering, shows that it is all a religion for you.

[Lambowei]

That's a really quaint religion you just expressed there. Do you really believe it?

Unlike the religion that says god is a living zombie and talks about bushes in fire speaking as god? Which one is more ridiculous?

Yes, I believe in it. And I think you don't believe in the bible.

That's merely part of your religion. If you combine cause-and-effect, with entropy, with complexity - in a detailed study - the answer is God.

Says you, not science. You are blabbering: a pear + an ant = an elefant because you say so.

When you understand the strength of the Bible, you will believe it, as well. Consider. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the Bible has been hand copied almost exactly for 1900 years. This shows strength. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient copies of the Bible, even though some are only fragments. People don't do this except if there is power in what they are hand copying. They believed. I believe. Thousands of other people believe.

To me, the bible is just a book written by delusional nomads. And if the fact that the bible has been copied for a long time doesn't make it any more true: Eat shit. A million flies can't be wrong.

Your religion doesn't have much base. The fact that you can't logically answer my points, yet you keep on blabbering, shows that it is all a religion for you.

You wouldn't find logic if it was staring at you. Pastafarism is exactly as logic and real as any other religion, including the one about the zombie god and his mother who cheated on her husband.

[BADecker]

That's a really quaint religion you just expressed there. Do you really believe it?

Unlike the religion that says god is a living zombie and talks about bushes in fire speaking as god? Which one is more ridiculous?

Yes, I believe in it. And I think you don't believe in the bible.

That's merely part of your religion. If you combine cause-and-effect, with entropy, with complexity - in a detailed study - the answer is God.

Says you, not science. You are blabbering: a pear + an ant = an elefant because you say so.

When you understand the strength of the Bible, you will believe it, as well. Consider. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the Bible has been hand copied almost exactly for 1900 years. This shows strength. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient copies of the Bible, even though some are only fragments. People don't do this except if there is power in what they are hand copying. They believed. I believe. Thousands of other people believe.

To me, the bible is just a book written by delusional nomads. And if the fact that the bible has been copied for a long time doesn't make it any more true: Eat shit. A million flies can't be wrong.

Your religion doesn't have much base. The fact that you can't logically answer my points, yet you keep on blabbering, shows that it is all a religion for you.

You wouldn't find logic if it was staring at you. Pastafarism is exactly as logic and real as any other religion, including the one about the zombie god and his mother who cheated on her husband.

Since you are the one talking about God as a living zombie, I see that you are totally rejecting Him. As I explained elsewhere, try combining cause-and-effect, entropy, and complexity as they are found in this universe. Do it scientifically, and the only possible answer for the universe is God. I'm not suggesting any of the gods that we know. I am showing the real God Almighty that created the universe.

You didn't even take the time to think about the science a little. You just rejected it outright.

Nobody is suggesting that you have to accept things you don't want to believe in. But you will find that great pain or great joy makes believers out of everyone. You sound like you are closer to the pain than to the joy.

Well, actually, the so-called pastafarian religion has been adjudicated in the US to not be a religion. Why? Because its so-called believers only use it to play a religion game... not to really believe in it.

Too bad for you that you don't want to be real in life. But then, there are lots of people like you. You are welcome to change at any time you like. God will gladly forgive and accept you.

[Lambowei]

As I explained elsewhere, try combining cause-and-effect, entropy, and complexity as they are found in this universe. Do it scientifically, and the only possible answer for the universe is God. I'm not suggesting any of the gods that we know. I am showing the real God Almighty that created the universe.

You explained nothing. Where's your falsifiable scientific paper? Nowhere.

You say you're doing science, but what you're doing is just a joke. BTW I don't live in US of Northamerica, and for that matter I don't care about what any government says about anything. You may be a socialist that believes in government, it fits the religious narrative pretty well.

[Sahyadri]

If you took all the religions in the world and destroyed them, in 1000 years there would be entirely new religions, completely different from the old religions...

If you took all the science in the world and destroyed it... in 1000 years there would be EXACTLY THE SAME SCIENCE

Mathematics is not something invented by humans, it is discovered by humans... mathematics is the same in any language, on any planet... 1 + 1 = 2 is a provable concept and does not change based on societal norms or which deities they currently worship

Newton and Leibniz are credited with the co-discovery of calculus... they did not invent it, they both discovered it at the same time... math/science is universal, religion is not

Science talks about facts and natural phenomenon while religion talks about supernatural stuff too. Sometimes, stuff spoken in religion does not make sense but can at times supported with science. Science talks about assumptions and hypothesis while religion is based on stories that have been passed through centuries. Wont make sense to make a relation between these two or try to find any.

[BADecker]

As I explained elsewhere, try combining cause-and-effect, entropy, and complexity as they are found in this universe. Do it scientifically, and the only possible answer for the universe is God. I'm not suggesting any of the gods that we know. I am showing the real God Almighty that created the universe.

You explained nothing. Where's your falsifiable scientific paper? Nowhere.

You say you're doing science, but what you're doing is just a joke. BTW I don't live in US of Northamerica, and for that matter I don't care about what any government says about anything. You may be a socialist that believes in government, it fits the religious narrative pretty well.

All right. So, you're a renegade who doesn't understand science. Do you think for a moment that nothing exists until it has a scientific paper behind it? If you do, all you are saying is that you believe other people who write a scientific paper. This makes you a believer in science whether or not they are right or wrong. It is believers who have religion.

[keeee]

If you took all the religions in the world and destroyed them, in 1000 years there would be entirely new religions, completely different from the old religions...

If you took all the science in the world and destroyed it... in 1000 years there would be EXACTLY THE SAME SCIENCE

Mathematics is not something invented by humans, it is discovered by humans... mathematics is the same in any language, on any planet... 1 + 1 = 2 is a provable concept and does not change based on societal norms or which deities they currently worship

Newton and Leibniz are credited with the co-discovery of calculus... they did not invent it, they both discovered it at the same time... math/science is universal, religion is not

Science talks about facts and natural phenomenon while religion talks about supernatural stuff too. Sometimes, stuff spoken in religion does not make sense but can at times supported with science. Science talks about assumptions and hypothesis while religion is based on stories that have been passed through centuries. Wont make sense to make a relation between these two or try to find any.

Science and religion is somehow connected to one onther but at so many point they have differences.  One is in science to see it to believe.  As long as they didnt see it they do not believe on it.  While in religion even it cannot seen by our naked eyes we still believe on such thing.

[BADecker]

Notice that people believe stuff that is only called science, but isn't really science. The article, below, shows this. But the truth is greater. People often believe the stuff of science theory to be real when everybody knows that it can be changed on a moment's notice with new science findings. Believing science theory - having faith that it is true - while part of science, is also part of religion. Note the transcript of the video at the linked site.


Episode 353 - The Crisis of Science

Today on The Corbett Report we shine a spotlight on the series of interrelated crises that are exposing the way institutional science is practiced today, and what it means for an increasingly science-dependent society.

In 2015 a study from the Institute of Diet and Health with some surprising results launched a slew of click bait articles with explosive headlines:

"Chocolate accelerates weight loss" insisted one such headline.

"Scientists say eating chocolate can help you lose weight" declared another.

"Lose 10% More Weight By Eating A Chocolate Bar Every Day…No Joke!" promised yet another.

There was just one problem: This was a joke.

[af_newbie]

If you took all the religions in the world and destroyed them, in 1000 years there would be entirely new religions, completely different from the old religions...

If you took all the science in the world and destroyed it... in 1000 years there would be EXACTLY THE SAME SCIENCE

Mathematics is not something invented by humans, it is discovered by humans... mathematics is the same in any language, on any planet... 1 + 1 = 2 is a provable concept and does not change based on societal norms or which deities they currently worship

Newton and Leibniz are credited with the co-discovery of calculus... they did not invent it, they both discovered it at the same time... math/science is universal, religion is not

Science talks about facts and natural phenomenon while religion talks about supernatural stuff too. Sometimes, stuff spoken in religion does not make sense but can at times supported with science. Science talks about assumptions and hypothesis while religion is based on stories that have been passed through centuries. Wont make sense to make a relation between these two or try to find any.

Science and religion is somehow connected to one onther but at so many point they have differences.  One is in science to see it to believe.  As long as they didnt see it they do not believe on it.  While in religion even it cannot seen by our naked eyes we still believe on such thing.

Just go back to school.

RF, magnetism, elementary particles, genes, gravity, microbes, viruses, bacteria, dark energy, black holes, dark matter, gravitational waves cannot be seen with naked eyes.

Molecular structures cannot be seen with naked eyes.  Are you sure you know what science is?

It is like asking what is the difference between fairy tales and the scientific method.

Science was used to validate that religions are in fact ancient fairy tales.  End of story.  End of discussion. Next.

I cannot stop you believe in fairy tales, but I can prove to you that the holy scriptures (of any known religions) are fairy tales.
Beyond a reasonable doubt.

[BADecker]

If you took all the religions in the world and destroyed them, in 1000 years there would be entirely new religions, completely different from the old religions...

If you took all the science in the world and destroyed it... in 1000 years there would be EXACTLY THE SAME SCIENCE

Mathematics is not something invented by humans, it is discovered by humans... mathematics is the same in any language, on any planet... 1 + 1 = 2 is a provable concept and does not change based on societal norms or which deities they currently worship

Newton and Leibniz are credited with the co-discovery of calculus... they did not invent it, they both discovered it at the same time... math/science is universal, religion is not

Science talks about facts and natural phenomenon while religion talks about supernatural stuff too. Sometimes, stuff spoken in religion does not make sense but can at times supported with science. Science talks about assumptions and hypothesis while religion is based on stories that have been passed through centuries. Wont make sense to make a relation between these two or try to find any.

Science and religion is somehow connected to one onther but at so many point they have differences.  One is in science to see it to believe.  As long as they didnt see it they do not believe on it.  While in religion even it cannot seen by our naked eyes we still believe on such thing.

Just go back to school.

RF, magnetism, elementary particles, genes, gravity, microbes, viruses, bacteria, dark energy, black holes, dark matter, gravitational waves cannot be seen with naked eyes.

Molecular structures cannot be seen with naked eyes.  Are you sure you know what science is?

It is like asking what is the difference between fairy tales and the scientific method.

Science was used to validate that religions are in fact ancient fairy tales.  End of story.  End of discussion. Next.

I cannot stop you believe in fairy tales, but I can prove to you that the holy scriptures (of any known religions) are fairy tales.
Beyond a reasonable doubt.

Religion was around way longer than science. You are doing a trick-twist. Science validates religion that religion is right. It works like this. Back in the 1950s...

Three guys individually stopped at the same hotel at the same time. Each asked for a room. The clerk behind the desk told them that there was only one room left. They could draw straws for it, or they could share it. The guys decided to share it.

The clerk charged them $30 for the room - $10 apiece. They went up to their room.

Later, the clerk felt guilty for charging the guys so much, so he gave the bellboy $5 to return to the guys as a refund. On the way up in the elevator, the bellboy couldn't figure out how to divide $5 evenly between 3 guys, so, he decided to keep $2 as a tip.

The bellboy gave each of the guys a dollar back. This means that each guy paid only $9. Three times nine is $27, plus the $2 that the bellboy kept makes $29. What happened to the 30th dollar?


Science validates that religion is right. You simply twist the final answer.

[Slow death]

[...]

I wonder why you went to school to study ( things scientists have spent years researching )?

- Why are you driving instead of walking?

- Why do you fly by plane instead of walking?

Science improves our life every day and there is no denying the good that science has brought us. But on the other hand (religion) there is no proof of anything. on the contrary, Every day different religions appear and guess what they have in common? The priest become very rich thanks to believers' money

[af_newbie]

If you took all the religions in the world and destroyed them, in 1000 years there would be entirely new religions, completely different from the old religions...

If you took all the science in the world and destroyed it... in 1000 years there would be EXACTLY THE SAME SCIENCE

Mathematics is not something invented by humans, it is discovered by humans... mathematics is the same in any language, on any planet... 1 + 1 = 2 is a provable concept and does not change based on societal norms or which deities they currently worship

Newton and Leibniz are credited with the co-discovery of calculus... they did not invent it, they both discovered it at the same time... math/science is universal, religion is not

Science talks about facts and natural phenomenon while religion talks about supernatural stuff too. Sometimes, stuff spoken in religion does not make sense but can at times supported with science. Science talks about assumptions and hypothesis while religion is based on stories that have been passed through centuries. Wont make sense to make a relation between these two or try to find any.

Science and religion is somehow connected to one onther but at so many point they have differences.  One is in science to see it to believe.  As long as they didnt see it they do not believe on it.  While in religion even it cannot seen by our naked eyes we still believe on such thing.

Just go back to school.

RF, magnetism, elementary particles, genes, gravity, microbes, viruses, bacteria, dark energy, black holes, dark matter, gravitational waves cannot be seen with naked eyes.

Molecular structures cannot be seen with naked eyes.  Are you sure you know what science is?

It is like asking what is the difference between fairy tales and the scientific method.

Science was used to validate that religions are in fact ancient fairy tales.  End of story.  End of discussion. Next.

I cannot stop you believe in fairy tales, but I can prove to you that the holy scriptures (of any known religions) are fairy tales.
Beyond a reasonable doubt.

Religion was around way longer than science. You are doing a trick-twist. Science validates religion that religion is right. It works like this. Back in the 1950s...

Three guys individually stopped at the same hotel at the same time. Each asked for a room. The clerk behind the desk told them that there was only one room left. They could draw straws for it, or they could share it. The guys decided to share it.

The clerk charged them $30 for the room - $10 apiece. They went up to their room.

Later, the clerk felt guilty for charging the guys so much, so he gave the bellboy $5 to return to the guys as a refund. On the way up in the elevator, the bellboy couldn't figure out how to divide $5 evenly between 3 guys, so, he decided to keep $2 as a tip.

The bellboy gave each of the guys a dollar back. This means that each guy paid only $9. Three times nine is $27, plus the $2 that the bellboy kept makes $29. What happened to the 30th dollar?


Science validates that religion is right. You simply twist the final answer.

Are you nuts?  3x$9=$27

$25 for the hotel owner and $2 for the bellboy.

Science validated that Earth is not 6000 years old, that global flood did not happen 4000 years ago, that snakes cannot talk, that the universe was not created in 6 days, that people cannot be resurrected, that people cannot be created from dirt or rib bones, that humans cannot be born to virgins, that humans cannot live in stomachs of large fish for days, etc., etc.

Science proved that the holy scriptures are utter nonsense.

[BADecker]

[...]

I wonder why you went to school to study ( things scientists have spent years researching )?

- Why are you driving instead of walking?

- Why do you fly by plane instead of walking?

Science improves our life every day and there is no denying the good that science has brought us. But on the other hand (religion) there is no proof of anything. on the contrary, Every day different religions appear and guess what they have in common? The priest become very rich thanks to believers' money

Science wouldn't exist without religion and the things of religion. Scientists research science because they have religion backing them, and because science is part of their religion.

In the definition of religion at https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t, there are these two parts among others:
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:

Certainly scientists practice these two things in their science operations. In fact, they practice them more rigorously and accurately that formal religions practice their operations.

Religion exists through everything that people do.

[BADecker]

Are you nuts?  3x$9=$27

$25 for the hotel owner and $2 for the bellboy.

Science validated that Earth is not 6000 years old, that global flood did not happen 4000 years ago, that snakes cannot talk, that the universe was not created in 6 days, that people cannot be resurrected, that people cannot be created from dirt or rib bones, that humans cannot be born to virgins, that humans cannot live in stomachs of large fish for days, etc., etc.

Science proved that the holy scriptures are utter nonsense.

Science has been wrong in the past about hundreds of thousands of things that they validated in the past. A hundred years from now, everything that science holds dear today may be invalidated by then.

If science is invalidating religion now, it is only showing another thing it is invalidation itself in. See my previous post in this thread.