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August 26, 2018, 06:59:40 AM
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Bitcoin Cash as will be implemented by the Cobra Client is the real Bitcoin Cash. All other versions of Bitcoin Cash (ABC and nChain) are scams and go against community consensus by pushing controversial changes. #UANF

I praise Cobra for fighting a struggle worth fighting. This is the same as Bitcoin's own NO2X movement that was successful in showing the miners that they should serve the network instead of controlling it.

I believe our community should show support for the Bitcoin Cash community in their struggle. Jihan Wu should support the community or serve it to reach a common goal, while Roger Ver, and Craig Wright should be thrown out.

Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash can co-exist in peace. #UANF

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August 26, 2018, 08:42:31 AM
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Recent nChain announcements (in this regard):

- https://www.ccn.com/satoshis-vision-craig-wright-to-launch-bch-node-to-restore-original-bitcoin-protocol/

This looks both potentially very dangerous and totally unnecessary to me, unless I'm missing how they might look to lock it down (which I'm probably not).

These opcodes: OP_MUL, OP_LSHIFT, OP_RSHIFT, and OP_INVERT + 128MB blocks (for what? mega DDoS?)

- https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures

These opcodes were disabled in the Bitcoin code base long-ago, because they have know and very practical attack vectors.

Perhaps if they were to implement them, then someone might be kind enough to demonstrate it!

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P.S. I'm not asserting that anyone is a 'scammer', although some of this stuff is outright 'crazy'.   Grin

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August 26, 2018, 10:21:54 AM
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Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash can co-exist in peace. #UANF

Imho Bcash was born from greed and was born exactly as an attack against Bitcoin (the easiest thing I can think of is luring big chunk of hashing power away from Bitcoin and leave it at difficulty until the next difficulty adjustment).
So imho it's not unexpected they'll start devouring each other and imho this is just fine. Sorry if I am harsh, but should we have helped them also when they preached "BCash is the real Bitcoin and old Seg-Wit enabled coin is just digital lead"?

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August 26, 2018, 12:32:04 PM
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No one cares about their struggle. A snake is always be a snake no matter how many times they change their skin. It is a digital karma for them and hope their project both gone for the better.

Actually I find this pretty funny. They were saying how there was too much division in Bitcoin, then they end up forking off into their own altcoin, they start calling it "Bitcoin", and now they have their own civil war. Many lessons to learn from this.

And with Cobra on board it will be pretty fun because he has plenty of followers too. In BCash many people are tired of Craig Wright antics, he is really a clown and they have a conman promoting their altcoin yet he has supposedly a lot of hashpower to get his fork going.

At the same time we got Bitmain's tricky situation in which they are bagholding a lot of coins that may now become forked.

A big clusterfuck brews in the horizon for these that sold their BTC for forks.
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August 26, 2018, 12:39:40 PM
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At the same time we got Bitmain's tricky situation in which they are bagholding a lot of coins that may now become forked.
...

This could actually turn out to be really good for Bitmain.

Let´s remember that after the Bitcoin Cash hard fork the combined
value of BTC + BCH was higher than the BTC value before the fork.

If we assume that the combined value of the two (or are there even
more?) BCH forks will be bigger than the current BCH value, this
could be a real windfall for them. Of course they control enough coins to dump
the chain that they prefer less into oblivion.
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August 26, 2018, 12:44:41 PM
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Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash can co-exist in peace. #UANF

if bitcoin cash wanted to "coexist" with bitcoin then their creators would have put their efforts and millions of dollars worth of advertising into creating a brand new cryptocurrency with a bran new name.
but forking from bitcoin and using its name is just parasitic in my eyes. there is no coexistence, they have wanted to take over from day one and have not given up that effort yet.

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August 26, 2018, 12:50:08 PM
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This could actually turn out to be really good for Bitmain.

Let´s remember that after the Bitcoin Cash hard fork the combined
value of BTC + BCH was higher than the BTC value before the fork.

If we assume that the combined value of the two (or are there even
more?) BCH forks will be bigger than the current BCH value, this
could be a real windfall for them. Of course they control enough coins to dump
the chain that they prefer less into oblivion.

It won't work all the time. Bitcoin was bound to go up anyway, and that directly lifts every altcoin with it in the industry.

Considering that BCash is not a price driving coin, it will only damage both BCash and the other fork coin. Especially if you take into consideration that some hashpower of BCash will flow into the fork coin for whatever period of time. Look at Litecoin and Litecoin Cash for example, there hasn't been anything of positive nature that came from that fork.

These forks only somewhat work if you use (abuse) Bitcoin's brand. Turning one shitcoin into two shitcoins is not an achievement that will be rewarded by the industry. It never has been.
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August 26, 2018, 12:54:47 PM
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At the same time we got Bitmain's tricky situation in which they are bagholding a lot of coins that may now become forked.
...

This could actually turn out to be really good for Bitmain.

Let´s remember that after the Bitcoin Cash hard fork the combined
value of BTC + BCH was higher than the BTC value before the fork.

If we assume that the combined value of the two (or are there even
more?) BCH forks will be bigger than the current BCH value, this
could be a real windfall for them. Of course they control enough coins to dump
the chain that they prefer less into oblivion.

I don't think so. This will create division within Bitcoin Cash, which will lead to two (more) competing coins which are going to be using SHA 256, because I doubt neither of the forks will be changing that since their end goal was to overtake Bitcoin's hashrate and then be able to call BCash "Bitcoin". Which means they will be competing for hashrate now between the different versions of BCash and competing against Bitcoin at the same time.

There is only so much diversification of your hashrate that you can do as a miner. It is already crazy that BCash is getting mined, so when division starts it will be the beginning of the end.

Seems clear to me that mining is a winner takes all scenario specially when competing coins are using the same damn algo.
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August 26, 2018, 12:55:12 PM
Last edit: August 26, 2018, 01:08:23 PM by mindrust
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No one cares about their struggle. A snake is always be a snake no matter how many times they change their skin. It is a digital karma for them and hope their project both gone for the better.
...In BCash many people are tired of Craig Wright antics, he is really a clown and they have a conman promoting their altcoin yet...

Roger is the same thing as Craig Wright. He is just a bit more wise to leave himself room for future movement. He is a %100 supporter of Craig since the beginning yet when people ask Roger about Craig's claims, he says he doesn't know if he is saying the truth.

Don't get fooled now. Don't lose your attention.

He doesn't say "If he is satoshi he should sign a message." Roger is a scammer but he is smarter than the average scammer.
He doesn't say "Craig is lying on this."

He just says he doesn't know.

When you ask him about anything else he is a fucking astronaut, doctor, blockchain expert, bitcoin jesus, fucking everything but when you ask him a easy question about Craig suddenly he starts to play dumb.

He is doing the same thing with bcash/bitcoin thing. With every chances he got, he does everything to cheat people into bcash, but when you ask him about that he denies.

Fuck him.




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August 26, 2018, 12:57:16 PM
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No one cares about their struggle. A snake is always be a snake no matter how many times they change their skin. It is a digital karma for them and hope their project both gone for the better.

Yups.snakes when hungry cares nothing but to eat nd this is the same position on bitcoin cash,we all know from what created this bitcoon copycat and we as bitcoin supporter we will never let this one get closer to our original coin.

And what OP says that bitcoin and bitcoincash can work together in peace,no will never happen unless they will create new coin that will be their own,and will let live bitcoin alone

 
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August 27, 2018, 07:05:57 AM
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Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash can co-exist in peace. #UANF

Imho Bcash was born from greed and was born exactly as an attack against Bitcoin (the easiest thing I can think of is luring big chunk of hashing power away from Bitcoin and leave it at difficulty until the next difficulty adjustment).
So imho it's not unexpected they'll start devouring each other and imho this is just fine. Sorry if I am harsh, but should we have helped them also when they preached "BCash is the real Bitcoin and old Seg-Wit enabled coin is just digital lead"?

It was also "born" out of politics, the need for control, and the need for the anti-Core developers to throw the Core developers out of the development process. They lost. I do not believe Bitcoin Cash will survive if their community splits again, because it will encourage more exclusive hard forks and more community splits.

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And so they are going to do it again?  Shouldn't be surprising, its easy money of course forking their own will once again give them more coins. They have the freedom of course so they can fork it forever and cash flows still even if they do it a hundred times. There are certainly bigger fish to fry than forking, if they try to look at ETH, it certainly is a big threat so what they might have to get busy with is a smart contract.

 
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August 27, 2018, 07:26:17 AM
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Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash can co-exist in peace. #UANF

Imho Bcash was born from greed and was born exactly as an attack against Bitcoin (the easiest thing I can think of is luring big chunk of hashing power away from Bitcoin and leave it at difficulty until the next difficulty adjustment).
So imho it's not unexpected they'll start devouring each other and imho this is just fine. Sorry if I am harsh, but should we have helped them also when they preached "BCash is the real Bitcoin and old Seg-Wit enabled coin is just digital lead"?

It was also "born" out of politics, the need for control, and the need for the anti-Core developers to throw the Core developers out of the development process. They lost. I do not believe Bitcoin Cash will survive if their community splits again, because it will encourage more exclusive hard forks and more community splits.

Correct. And that "also" is very important there. Because they could have made a brand new coin instead of forking.
Then they could have had a clean start and less drama. But they wanted to be Bitcoin. Well, there is already Bitcoin and, somewhat like Trump said to Kim, our consensus is bigger than theirs.

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August 27, 2018, 08:06:45 AM
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https://twitter.com/cobrabitcoin/status/1033324135504654336

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Bitcoin Cash as will be implemented by the Cobra Client is the real Bitcoin Cash. All other versions of Bitcoin Cash (ABC and nChain) are scams and go against community consensus by pushing controversial changes. #UANF

I praise Cobra for fighting a struggle worth fighting. This is the same as Bitcoin's own NO2X movement that was successful in showing the miners that they should serve the network instead of controlling it.

I believe our community should show support for the Bitcoin Cash community in their struggle. Jihan Wu should support the community or serve it to reach a common goal, while Roger Ver, and Craig Wright should be thrown out.

Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash can co-exist in peace. #UANF
First of all the BitcoinCash community claims that BCH is real Bitcoin, and now instead they are confused about which version is the real BitcoinCash, I think this community is always looking for real things until their community becomes extinct

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And so they are going to do it again?  Shouldn't be surprising, its easy money of course forking their own will once again give them more coins. They have the freedom of course so they can fork it forever and cash flows still even if they do it a hundred times. There are certainly bigger fish to fry than forking, if they try to look at ETH, it certainly is a big threat so what they might have to get busy with is a smart contract.

- https ://coingeek.com/upcoming-network-upgrade-smart-contracts-bitcoin-cash/

- https ://developer.bitcoin.com/wormhole.html

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And so they are going to do it again?  Shouldn't be surprising, its easy money of course forking their own will once again give them more coins. They have the freedom of course so they can fork it forever and cash flows still even if they do it a hundred times. There are certainly bigger fish to fry than forking, if they try to look at ETH, it certainly is a big threat so what they might have to get busy with is a smart contract.

- https ://coingeek.com/upcoming-network-upgrade-smart-contracts-bitcoin-cash/

- https ://developer.bitcoin.com/wormhole.html

And only the wormhole might need changes to the base protocol. So what is more risky ?

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And so they are going to do it again?  Shouldn't be surprising, its easy money of course forking their own will once again give them more coins. They have the freedom of course so they can fork it forever and cash flows still even if they do it a hundred times. There are certainly bigger fish to fry than forking, if they try to look at ETH, it certainly is a big threat so what they might have to get busy with is a smart contract.

- https ://coingeek.com/upcoming-network-upgrade-smart-contracts-bitcoin-cash/

- https ://developer.bitcoin.com/wormhole.html

And only the wormhole might need changes to the base protocol. So what is more risky ?

Erm ... I guess currently somewhat undetermined.

As a Bitcoin 'old-timer', perhaps it works out well to keep this 'experimentation' off the 'main' chain ?

I'm actually not a fan of many aspects of tokenization in cryptocurrency, as the common use cases are much like derivatives in other financial sectors.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokenization_(data_security)

How can I put this best ... Sandbox vs Sandpit ?

- https://youtu.be/AQXVHITd1N4

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August 27, 2018, 10:19:29 AM
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- https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/928998708405977089

"BCH community needs to learn a hard lesson. Be friend with other competing coins, learn from them, and make BCH better. Don't play hatred, don't wish competing coins ill. Just wish and try to make BCH better."

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August 27, 2018, 03:04:55 PM
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No one cares about their struggle. A snake is always be a snake no matter how many times they change their skin. It is a digital karma for them and hope their project both gone for the better.
...In BCash many people are tired of Craig Wright antics, he is really a clown and they have a conman promoting their altcoin yet...

Roger is the same thing as Craig Wright. He is just a bit more wise to leave himself room for future movement. He is a %100 supporter of Craig since the beginning yet when people ask Roger about Craig's claims, he says he doesn't know if he is saying the truth.

Don't get fooled now. Don't lose your attention.

He doesn't say "If he is satoshi he should sign a message." Roger is a scammer but he is smarter than the average scammer.
He doesn't say "Craig is lying on this."

He just says he doesn't know.

When you ask him about anything else he is a fucking astronaut, doctor, blockchain expert, bitcoin jesus, fucking everything but when you ask him a easy question about Craig suddenly he starts to play dumb.

He is doing the same thing with bcash/bitcoin thing. With every chances he got, he does everything to cheat people into bcash, but when you ask him about that he denies.

Fuck him.

It's not clear to me at all if Roger is a 100% supporter of Craig Wright. Is Jihan Wu a %100 support of Craig Wright too? That's the question.

If Jihan Wu accepts the deal and goes into Bitcoin SV, then he will be competing with Craig Wright's mining operation. Im not sure if this is the case. Perhaps there is some lack of agreement between the 3 parties and there will be major problems, specially now that Jihan has a big position stuck in BCH. Will he really keep both ends of the coin? it's too tempting to dump one of them and try to regain some losses.

The drama never ends in Bitcoin, now we have forks of forks having civil wars, can't wait to see what happens next that I can tell you.
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