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Now the wallet is saying we're near 30m in the hole.
I'm just trying to get my mind around how it lets you send more than you had? Or do you mean that you lost a bunch of your own coins? I thought the point was that you couldn't run a negative balance? Well, our liquid assets are in the hole. You have so much in the wallet, minus what's "locked for users", the difference is the liquid assets. In this case, in the hole. I sent all my personal stash to counter some of it, Still around -24m How the system got out of whack, I'll probably never know. The problem is, I'm not even sure if the payout discrepancies subtracted what they were supposed to from the "locked" balance. I've seen transactions get stuck before and pay them out manually, then run the validation script on them again and they show the TXID. In this case there's way too many, and the ones I fixed still didn't show up with a TXID, and a lot got double paid. At this point, it's so far out of whack that there's no hope of getting it fixed by hand, either we can let the system even itself out (by accumulating fees, donations, what I mine, etc) and pray there's no more errors and legitimately stuck payouts, or start fresh on a new pool, let people withdraw what they can, and let me slowly pay back whatever we are missing. This is the worst mess I've ever seen. |
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edric
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March 24, 2014, 02:48:56 AM |
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I'm kinda freakin out here. Anyway, here's a couple of things that I've noticed about the wallet in the last little bit. I was transferring my personal stash back into the pool to make up for some of the double paid stuff, and had to break it into several transactions.. 100k - Transaction too big, 90k - went through, 500k - transaction too big, 500k - went through. I even had one instance where it gave me a message that it was too big, and went through anyway. There's some issues with this wallet. Going back into the payout logs, alot that were flagged as missing were from way back when I opened the pool, I just never noticed because no flags went up until today. This is a reason I didn't enable "sendmany" for my pool, to avoid issues like this. I'm going to keep it running a couple more days to see if it craps out or not. If it keeps running without issues, I pretty much owe the pool everything I can possibly mine for the next few weeks and I'm mining and donating 100% for the wallet, but we need the developer to come in and have a serious look at the wallet's code, if that's possible. I have a feeling this is just a copy/paste job and the issues are carried over from whatever this coin was forked from. I understand if anyone's pissed. I am too, extremely so. The best I can say is be patient, lets see if this thing irons itself out or not. If you feel you're missing a payment, check http://explorer2.sancrypto.info/chain/birdcoin/ and see if you can find it. If not, please contact me and I'll see what I can do! Thanks everyone, you guys have been awesome. |
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March 24, 2014, 03:27:36 AM
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edric
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March 24, 2014, 03:28:12 AM |
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Its possible that the transaction issues are a side effect of the network being small, and screwed up. I've been working a little bit on a backup pool, and the wallet WILL NOT sync. I've added every node I can find, still will not sync. I love birdcoin, very much so, but I'm afraid that there may be more deep seated problems than my screwed up pool.
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March 24, 2014, 06:28:53 AM
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March 24, 2014, 08:32:40 AM
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March 24, 2014, 03:02:30 PM |
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Its possible that the transaction issues are a side effect of the network being small, and screwed up. I've been working a little bit on a backup pool, and the wallet WILL NOT sync. I've added every node I can find, still will not sync. I love birdcoin, very much so, but I'm afraid that there may be more deep seated problems than my screwed up pool.
I tend to agree. I've noticed some very strange behavior even when I solo mine or use the P2P pool. I'm not an expert enough to know what causes it, but I know they don't happen with other coins. That has always made me suspicious of the wallet. If there any point continuing or should the coin just be abandoned? There are plenty of other choices out there that are already on exchanges but nearly as easy to mine. |
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March 24, 2014, 03:09:31 PM |
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Now the wallet is saying we're near 30m in the hole.
I'm just trying to get my mind around how it lets you send more than you had? Or do you mean that you lost a bunch of your own coins? I thought the point was that you couldn't run a negative balance? This seems fishy. Didn't think it could happen. |
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March 24, 2014, 03:12:38 PM |
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Now the wallet is saying we're near 30m in the hole.
I'm just trying to get my mind around how it lets you send more than you had? Or do you mean that you lost a bunch of your own coins? I thought the point was that you couldn't run a negative balance? This seems fishy. Didn't think it could happen. I don't know, I had a neg balance on a coin at Critpsy as well. Seems I traded the same coin twice (before the system had a chance to update). Left me with a neg balance. |
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March 24, 2014, 03:19:24 PM |
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When will the birdcoin will be available for trading ?
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March 24, 2014, 03:37:49 PM |
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When will the birdcoin will be available for trading ?
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March 24, 2014, 04:02:24 PM |
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edric
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March 24, 2014, 04:48:31 PM |
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Now the wallet is saying we're near 30m in the hole.
I'm just trying to get my mind around how it lets you send more than you had? Or do you mean that you lost a bunch of your own coins? I thought the point was that you couldn't run a negative balance? This seems fishy. Didn't think it could happen. Nothing fishy about it.. There's coins in the wallet, just not as much as the system thinks SHOULD be, so the liquid asset shows a negative. But yes, it's impossible for the wallet to have an actual negative balance. |
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March 24, 2014, 04:52:56 PM |
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When will the birdcoin will be available for trading ?
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madmartyk
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March 24, 2014, 05:09:28 PM |
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Now the wallet is saying we're near 30m in the hole.
I'm just trying to get my mind around how it lets you send more than you had? Or do you mean that you lost a bunch of your own coins? I thought the point was that you couldn't run a negative balance? This seems fishy. Didn't think it could happen. Nothing fishy about it.. There's coins in the wallet, just not as much as the system thinks SHOULD be, so the liquid asset shows a negative. But yes, it's impossible for the wallet to have an actual negative balance. Unlike the US government!!! |
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March 24, 2014, 05:16:56 PM |
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Now the wallet is saying we're near 30m in the hole.
I'm just trying to get my mind around how it lets you send more than you had? Or do you mean that you lost a bunch of your own coins? I thought the point was that you couldn't run a negative balance? This seems fishy. Didn't think it could happen. Nothing fishy about it.. There's coins in the wallet, just not as much as the system thinks SHOULD be, so the liquid asset shows a negative. But yes, it's impossible for the wallet to have an actual negative balance. Unlike the US government!!! Oh, god, I cannot stop laughing! And hey, at least I don't hide it, and let everyone know.... unlike the government! haha We may be able to recover from this and keep our fingers crossed that there's no stuck payouts in the system. If anyone doesn't receive a payout, look for it in the blockchain, then contact me. |
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March 24, 2014, 05:18:30 PM |
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Now the wallet is saying we're near 30m in the hole.
I'm just trying to get my mind around how it lets you send more than you had? Or do you mean that you lost a bunch of your own coins? I thought the point was that you couldn't run a negative balance? This seems fishy. Didn't think it could happen. Nothing fishy about it.. There's coins in the wallet, just not as much as the system thinks SHOULD be, so the liquid asset shows a negative. But yes, it's impossible for the wallet to have an actual negative balance. Unlike the US government!!! Oh, god, I cannot stop laughing! And hey, at least I don't hide it, and let everyone know.... unlike the government! haha We may be able to recover from this and keep our fingers crossed that there's no stuck payouts in the system. If anyone doesn't receive a payout, look for it in the blockchain, then contact me. Did I make the Energy drink come out your nose??? |
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