"Trust" system is shit !!! "Trust me !!!"

[shield132]

This forum's trust doesn't offer 100% guaranteed trustworthy of any user, it only shows facts/deals. You can see reference/comments on any user's profile if he has given any trust and judge yourself what to do. Forum can't offer 100% guarantee, requirement of KYC documents, as you say, will be shittiest action because no forum in this world does this and now in situation where bitcoin is for anonimity, it's a shame.
Can you link the profile of that person you had a deal?

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[Joel_Jantsen]

Just quoting a few replies from the experienced members,

There are definitely flaws in the trust system

I'd agree that the trust system could potentially be abused rather easily.

The trust system is meaningless when green trusted accounts can be sold, and the trust is transferred to the new owner.

A member with a green trust doesn't mean you can trust him blindly.

The trust system isn't perfect

I wonder why are we ever relying on a broken system so much that we think it's the only cure for all the problems on the forum. I shouldn't complain though, for I don't have a better alternative to suggest.

[pugman]

I wonder why are we ever relying on a broken system so much that we think it's the only cure for all the problems on the forum. I shouldn't complain though, for I don't have a better alternative to suggest.

We are relying on it because replacing default trust isn't going to happen soon.

And yeah, the Trust System here sucks balls, its not the system but some *people* that caused it to be bad. They make the system be so bad. A lot of people have ego issues here, on a forum. So if you call "X" DT member, a dog, you might get tagged for that  . Some people act as if its decentralized, but its more centralized than it being decentralized. Wonder how many people are pissed at me for saying this. Don't deal with any body based on their trust, it might not be the best idea for you.

[Joel_Jantsen]

We are relying on it because replacing default trust isn't going to happen soon.

Soon? I doubt it will ever happen just like migrating completely to the new forum.

And yeah, the Trust System here sucks balls, its not the system but some *people* that caused it to be bad. They make the system be so bad. A lot of people have ego issues here, on a forum. So if you call "X" DT member, a dog, you might get tagged for that  . Some people act as if its decentralized, but its more centralized than it being decentralized. Wonder how many people are pissed at me for saying this. Don't deal with any body based on their trust, it might not be the best idea for you.

Well, that's what happens if you give control over to an individual/group of individuals. Either way, I don't really want to complain. I have catered my trust-settings to trust like 2 people and don't even judge anybody by the random DT ratings left on their profile.

[Steamtyme]

Oooooo made the experienced list.

Anyone who relies on the trust system is making a flawed assessment of their situation. I look at it for what it was originally intended( I assume), assessing the person I'm trading with. I will generally still use escrow regardless but it's always there as a supplementary tool.

Most people also often fail in using it properly by reviewing untrusted feedback. I usually disregard most that font have a proper reference.

I personally don't get involved in the I fighting of DT members, usually just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show. I also rarely find those feedbacks carry much weight, except in getting people excluded from signature campaigns

[finaleshot2016]

Every system has a flaws and I'm sure that 100% of it are not secure, it just follows the process how systematic approach (step-by-step) into our forum. It doesn't mean you have the good identity, you can be considered as one of the kings here in the forum, No. Even the higher-ups have some suspicious things, not all of them but there are possibilities that they have some. You can relate it to your government system, even though you have a good president in your country if there are corrupt officials and the system is broken af, it's non-sense.

If you want to solve your case, there are some good people/DTs will help you to recover your money, just post your case with eligible evidences.

[KingScorpio]

Few months back I had traded with a positive trust guy and he turned out to be a scammer . Now the question is Does this forum's "trust" system really offers what it seems to ? To be honest I would say that owners of this forum are not doing good job .

Accrding to me , Trust should only be handles by moderator of any particular section . Trust should be strictly limited to trading and the negative rating should only show up when a scam has been done . A warning will be enough rather than shitty negative look which spoils your profile . Infact trust system should be like LBTC, which asks for your ID .

jes it is shit it permanently punishes users for mistakes they didnt knew about the absurd 500 sites long forums rules and bitcoin sects inquisition.

also critical point of view is being punished

just look at my mistrust.

1. i got mistrust because i wanted to trade merit with someone else to support each other, otherwise this forums consits only of gay bitcoin sectists that constantly merit each other

2. i got mistrust because someone from the bitcoin sect didn't like me personally and just wanted to punish me somehow, because he had mod powers he punished me

without that i would have been a legendary member of this forum already, with my high merit my over 4k posts, my project development and my high activity.

but i am optimistic that this forum will die together with bitcoin its cult, its sect, bitcoin gold and bitcoin cash, and we will get a more diversified and best of all "decentralised" cryptoindustry in the future and we all can continue on redit the post bitcoin cryptocurrency economy

@CoolWave jes positive trust people are also huge scammers, because

1. postive trust is tendenciously powered on the bitcoin sectists, that merit each other, and put positive trust to each other, distrusting everyone that is not a obeying bitcoin fanatic.

2. bitcoin cultists with positive trusts are no humanist people that care for others, remember everyone who was able to create an anonymous pow cryptcurrency knowing the huge pow waste and damages to also working banking systems in the world hesitated to create one, the bitcoin cult, still created one because the people here are also special, regarding their economic point of view.

i give you merit for this topic

regards

[pugman]

Soon? I doubt it will ever happen just like migrating completely to the new forum.

Hey hey, the new forum is coming out in 3018^TM. Have high hopes. 

Well, that's what happens if you give control over to an individual/group of individuals. Either way, I don't really want to complain. I have catered my trust-settings to trust like 2 people and don't even judge anybody by the random DT ratings left on their profile.

I think for last 2 years, no DT1 member has been added. Only people have been removed. DeaDTerra was one, and escrow.ms was two, that I vaguely recall.

Oooohhhh made the experienced list.

You'll get used to it. Don't be surprised if people call you mod/dev/admin/god/satoshi.   

Anyone who relies on the trust system is making a flawed assessment of their situation. I look at it for what it was originally intended( I assume), assessing the person I'm trading with. I will generally still use escrow regardless but it's always there as a supplementary tool.

Trust system is supposed to make individuals look trustworthy, that's why people get added to DT, and that's why the ratings are visible. New members have no clue on how this system works, so if they see someone trustworthy, then they'll most likely trade with them. Newbies even deal with scammers and other fake newbies, and end up getting scammed, so dealing with a trusted member would make more sense. We know who to deal with and who not to deal with, after being here for months if not years.

This forum has complicated internals. For example, account sales isn't against the rules, but you get a scammer tag if you are revealed to be buying accounts. Most people don't even know the rules. Not all new members come here and search for things like: "Why do people get red trust?" "Why is account sales discouraged?" Things like this should be pinned in the spam-fest Discussion boards.

[KingScorpio]

Soon? I doubt it will ever happen just like migrating completely to the new forum.

Hey hey, the new forum is coming out in 3018^TM. Have high hopes. 

i heard the cryptosection in redit has become big

[yahoo62278]

Few months back I had traded with a positive trust guy and he turned out to be a scammer . Now the question is Does this forum's "trust" system really offers what it seems to ? To be honest I would say that owners of this forum are not doing good job .

Accrding to me , Trust should only be handles by moderator of any particular section . Trust should be strictly limited to trading and the negative rating should only show up when a scam has been done . A warning will be enough rather than shitty negative look which spoils your profile . Infact trust system should be like LBTC, which asks for your ID .

jes it is shit it permanently punishes users for mistakes they didnt knew about the absurd 500 sites long forums rules and bitcoin sects inquisition.

also critical point of view is being punished

just look at my mistrust.

1. i got mistrust because i wanted to trade merit with someone else to support each other, otherwise this forums consits only of gay bitcoin sectists that constantly merit each other

2. i got mistrust because someone didn't like me personally and just wanted to punish me somehow, because he had mod powers he punished me

without that i would have been a legendary member of this forum already, with my high merit my over 4k posts, my project development and my high activity.

but i am optimistic that this forum will die together with bitcoin its cult, its sect, bitcoin gold and bitcoin cash, and we will get a more diversified cryptoindustry in the future

@CoolWave jes positive trust people are also huge scammers, because

1. postive trust is tendenciously powered on the bitcoin sectists, that merit each other, and put positive trust to each other, kicking everyone that is not a bitcoin fanatic.

2. bitcoin cultists with positive trusts are no humanist people that care for others, remember everyone who was able to create an anonymous pow cryptcurrency knowing the huge pow waste and damages to also working banking systems in the world hesitated to create one, the bitcoin cult, still created one because the people here are also special, regarding their economic point of view.

i give you merit for this topic

regards

You know what I see here? Looks like you feel like you were shit on and now you cannot earn a load of money from campaigns.

Your activity is barely over 500 making you a low hero member at best as far as activity goes. Most ppl do not hit legendary til near 1000 activity, although it was possible to hit Legendary in the 700s I believe.

The 500 rules have nothing to do with the fact that before doing a shady activity, you didn't take the time to read the forum and actually see what may or may not be legal. According to number 1 above you engaged in offering to trade merit with a user. What legitimate reason would you have for doing this? The only thing that comes to mind is shady activity. You wanted to cheat a system that was set in place to try and push users to make better posts so that you and your buddy could earn more money. Why shouldn't that be viewed as shady?

Users earn merits based mostly on quality posts they have made. It doesn't matter if you have negative trust or not, you can still earn merit and make legendary rank at some point. If you're only worried about having a clean profile so you can earn more bitcoin, then you're likely not doing much to help the forum anyways.(I could be wrong, I haven't looked at your post history)

Now on your point of getting neg trust because someone doesn't like you, I don't agree with tagging someone because I don't like them. I get retaliatory tags from ppl I have tagged with bs reasons why they don't trust me all the time. Users should be able to appeal to the admins on their trust ratings from certain people. The reference should show proof if negging someone or something.

The problem with asking admins to overrule a users rating is it centralizes the forum and makes the default trust system worthless. They would also get a billion messages from idiots who deserved the neg and waste a ton of time on worthless reports.

Sometimes I feel like this damn place is full of 12 year olds who just can't fucking get along. Some of you need to grow up

[KingScorpio]

Few months back I had traded with a positive trust guy and he turned out to be a scammer . Now the question is Does this forum's "trust" system really offers what it seems to ? To be honest I would say that owners of this forum are not doing good job .

Accrding to me , Trust should only be handles by moderator of any particular section . Trust should be strictly limited to trading and the negative rating should only show up when a scam has been done . A warning will be enough rather than shitty negative look which spoils your profile . Infact trust system should be like LBTC, which asks for your ID .

jes it is shit it permanently punishes users for mistakes they didnt knew about the absurd 500 sites long forums rules and bitcoin sects inquisition.

also critical point of view is being punished

just look at my mistrust.

1. i got mistrust because i wanted to trade merit with someone else to support each other, otherwise this forums consits only of gay bitcoin sectists that constantly merit each other

2. i got mistrust because someone didn't like me personally and just wanted to punish me somehow, because he had mod powers he punished me

without that i would have been a legendary member of this forum already, with my high merit my over 4k posts, my project development and my high activity.

but i am optimistic that this forum will die together with bitcoin its cult, its sect, bitcoin gold and bitcoin cash, and we will get a more diversified cryptoindustry in the future

@CoolWave jes positive trust people are also huge scammers, because

1. postive trust is tendenciously powered on the bitcoin sectists, that merit each other, and put positive trust to each other, kicking everyone that is not a bitcoin fanatic.

2. bitcoin cultists with positive trusts are no humanist people that care for others, remember everyone who was able to create an anonymous pow cryptcurrency knowing the huge pow waste and damages to also working banking systems in the world hesitated to create one, the bitcoin cult, still created one because the people here are also special, regarding their economic point of view.

i give you merit for this topic

regards

You know what I see here? Looks like you feel like you were shit on and now you cannot earn a load of money from campaigns.

Your activity is barely over 500 making you a low hero member at best as far as activity goes. Most ppl do not hit legendary til near 1000 activity, although it was possible to hit Legendary in the 700s I believe.

The 500 rules have nothing to do with the fact that before doing a shady activity, you didn't take the time to read the forum and actually see what may or may not be legal. According to number 1 above you engaged in offering to trade merit with a user. What legitimate reason would you have for doing this? The only thing that comes to mind is shady activity. You wanted to cheat a system that was set in place to try and push users to make better posts so that you and your buddy could earn more money. Why shouldn't that be viewed as shady?

Users earn merits based mostly on quality posts they have made. It doesn't matter if you have negative trust or not, you can still earn merit and make legendary rank at some point. If you're only worried about having a clean profile so you can earn more bitcoin, then you're likely not doing much to help the forum anyways.(I could be wrong, I haven't looked at your post history)

Now on your point of getting neg trust because someone doesn't like you, I don't agree with tagging someone because I don't like them. I get retaliatory tags from ppl I have tagged with bs reasons why they don't trust me all the time. Users should be able to appeal to the admins on their trust ratings from certain people. The reference should show proof if negging someone or something.

The problem with asking admins to overrule a users rating is it centralizes the forum and makes the default trust system worthless. They would also get a billion messages from idiots who deserved the neg and waste a ton of time on worthless reports.

Sometimes I feel like this damn place is full of 12 year olds who just can't fucking get along. Some of you need to grow up

i dont want to earn bitcoin i also dont accept bitcoin as an exchange value for my ico, even

trading merit is acceptable, because it decentralised the forums community away from the bitcoin mod sect. that is constantly meriting and trusting each other to look more important

but nevermind.

we dont need to discuss for a solution the solution will come anyway. the cryptoindustry is decentralising,
bitcoin will follow its satelites bitcoin gold and bitcoin cash into oblivion.  and with that this forum, its sect. and its cult. bitcoin will be remembered like the netscape navigator the first internet browser

[Kakarot01]

Do you truly surmise that arbitrators have room schedule-wise to leave everyone trust? How might they know which bargains individuals were engaged with, and consequently meriting trust, or will individuals need to post a trust application string for each fruitful arrangement or exchange? Mediators need to manage the crowds of bots and trolls here on this gathering, I truly don't think such a minor element of the discussion ought to be dealt with by the arbitrators. On the off chance that anything, there should simply be more DT individuals, enabling trust to be spread all the more productively, as opposed to having the chosen few who communicate with DT individuals be viewed as reliable.

[KingScorpio]

@all

you see the merit on yahoo62278 last post up here (2 post above this one) by Steamtyme

this is exactly what i mean with the "brotherly" mod clique that overthrows each other with merit and trust for just garbage work in this forum.

you can never compete with that behavior as a single person against their created system so its better to not take their garbage system serious in the first place as it is naturally bigotted same was historically with the banking cartels, that constantly supported each other but secretly scammed the people, its why bitcoin was then created now it is becomming the same.

but help will come, this forum and bitcoin will be replaced and cryptoindustry will become decentralised from bitcoin soon enough.

[Vod]

but help will come, this forum and bitcoin will be replaced and cryptoindustry will become decentralised from bitcoin soon enough.

The future!

https://blockchaintalk.org/

[CoolWave]

but help will come, this forum and bitcoin will be replaced and cryptoindustry will become decentralised from bitcoin soon enough.

The future!

https://blockchaintalk.org/

Nice marketing (No offence)


@yahoo

If you're only worried about having a clean profile so you can earn more bitcoin, then you're likely not doing much to help the forum anyways.(I could be wrong, I haven't looked at your post history)

Yes, you are wrong . If someone wants to go for good activities, it is a community's responsibility to promote that person . A clean profile is not necessary to earn bitcoin . To earn bitcoin from campaigns, you MUST post quality posts and this forces an individual to dig deep into blockchain stuffs making them more active and more worthy thus contributing to this forum . I have seen you tracking some people right after their post mentioning that at least they should create a post that makes sense . So my point is , those guys are still earning rather than those who deserve it !

@all

you see the merit on yahoo62278 last post up here (2 post above this one) by Steamtyme

Agree . One might do this for personal benefits and I am sure that very less people will pay any merit to people like us as there is no profit . However , I do not oppose merit system as the sole reason is to make some quality post .

@kingscorpio

i got mistrust because i wanted to trade merit with someone else to support each other, otherwise this forums consits only of gay bitcoin sectists that constantly merit each other

I agree . You could have been warned by the negative taggers first instead of this negative tagging shit which just spoils everything .

@Kakarot01
I think there shoud be a voting system for DT members to survive each month .

[Vod]

The future!

https://blockchaintalk.org/

Nice marketing (No offence)

No offence taken - not my site. 

[xtraelv]

I still trust the green members more than the red ones (With an exception of a few)..... Just sayin'.

[KingScorpio]

I still trust the green members more than the red ones (With an exception of a few)..... Just sayin'.

this forum is doomed to become the community of the bitcoin miner cult.

[athanz88]

I believe every system has its flaws, including this forum's trust system, but this OP got scammed/fooled by the person who were using a hole in this system, not by the system itself, there is a big difference on it i guess.

And the important thing is, it is not a good thing to be fighting over a statement that is not 100% true. I will not believe in someone who said " i got scammed by a green person, but i forget the name" and not giving any proof of the incident , because it can be a made up story. It is the same if i am saying " i saw an UFO last night but i am alone and forget to record the event" to you guys right now.

[CoolWave]

I believe every system has its flaws, including this forum's trust system, but this OP got scammed/fooled by the person who were using a hole in this system, not by the system itself, there is a big difference on it i guess.

And the important thing is, it is not a good thing to be fighting over a statement that is not 100% true. I will not believe in someone who said " i got scammed by a green person, but i forget the name" and not giving any proof of the incident , because it can be a made up story. It is the same if i am saying " i saw an UFO last night but i am alone and forget to record the event" to you guys right now.

I consider your statement as a humbug and stupid as there are too many similar cases . Not providing proof doesn't mean I was not scammed . And the word you have used is foolish on its own as anyone will do a small trade with a +ve trust guy & this was not my problem if it was a bought account .