How to predict whales manipulation

[knightmairesaint]

Today again some whales came back on BTC ..
Does anyone have some suggestion to be alerted before this kind of manipulation ... I’m really fed up to see some big red or green candles without any reason ..
I’m always in or out when it arrives ...

You need to be in the whales shoes before you can predict what they want to do...I think those whales will not share their ideas to us. Those type of people are much greedy to our money and as long as they can sustain the price they will do just to stay the price to a comfortable level that they can easily manipulate.

That is very clever but I don't think that even how much we imagined it, predicting is still the best that we can do. Whales will be whales and they will do what they are best at, and if causing panic so weak-handed traders will sell is in their plan they are doing just fine. We all have our own strategy to earn money here and if those who are successful in this will tell, then I believe that all people who are here will become rich easily.

[ATMD]

Today again some whales came back on BTC ..
Does anyone have some suggestion to be alerted before this kind of manipulation ... I’m really fed up to see some big red or green candles without any reason ..
I’m always in or out when it arrives ...

You need to be in the whales shoes before you can predict what they want to do...I think those whales will not share their ideas to us. Those type of people are much greedy to our money and as long as they can sustain the price they will do just to stay the price to a comfortable level that they can easily manipulate.

That is very clever but I don't think that even how much we imagined it, predicting is still the best that we can do. Whales will be whales and they will do what they are best at, and if causing panic so weak-handed traders will sell is in their plan they are doing just fine. We all have our own strategy to earn money here and if those who are successful in this will tell, then I believe that all people who are here will become rich easily.

I agree, when there are surprising spikes in prices due to no good reason whatsoever, they indicate collusion and market manipulation. To determine whether the price would be manipulated to go up or go down? Surely if we know then they lose all power.

[South Park]

Unless you are part of the group of whales that manipulate the market there is no way to know when the manipulation is going to start ahead of time, after all they are just going to pick a moment in time in which they are going to begin to perform their manipulation so there is no indicator or fundamental analysis that can tell you when that will happen, so you should forget about that.

[bintangkejoraku]

no one knows when they will buy and when they will sell, they come suddenly. if someone knows about this problem it means that the person is part of the pope's group.

[Deeyoh]

Most of the manipulation probably comes from the exchanges themselves.   They actively trade against their users.  It's well documented that they do this.   They state that their trade "Teams" don't have any data that any other trader has.. but ummm.. You know they have more.  They can see all cash flows in and out of the exchange.  How much is in each account and what orders are being placed..   If you see someone drop in 100k BTC and start market selling.. what would you do?   I'd sell as quick as possible and open a ton of shorts.  Voila... this is what you see now.


Now the opposite, see a bunch of cash come in and you buy right away before the users get a chance to buy.

[fasdorcas]

You can't predict a manipulation, that is not how manipulation works. If whales are doing predictable stuff than you can position yourself accordingly and if you position yourself accordingly than they can't manipulate which means you positioned yourself for something that didn't happen. Hence, manipulations needs to manipulate in order to succeed and if they are successful that means you failed to predict it.

The idea behind manipulation and what it is disallows others to predict manipulations, at least not on a big number, couple people may guess correctly but it can't be a big number of people or it will fail and won't be a manipulation to begin with. Hence there is no way of knowing when a manipulation will happen, it is theoretically impossible to do something like that.

[South Park]

You can't predict a manipulation, that is not how manipulation works. If whales are doing predictable stuff than you can position yourself accordingly and if you position yourself accordingly than they can't manipulate which means you positioned yourself for something that didn't happen. Hence, manipulations needs to manipulate in order to succeed and if they are successful that means you failed to predict it.

The idea behind manipulation and what it is disallows others to predict manipulations, at least not on a big number, couple people may guess correctly but it can't be a big number of people or it will fail and won't be a manipulation to begin with. Hence there is no way of knowing when a manipulation will happen, it is theoretically impossible to do something like that.

Besides it is not like the whales are dumb, they will take advantage of the natural opportunities that appear in the market, and the best example is what it is happening now, I think the crash we are seeing began naturally with people selling their coins sick of the bear market but the whales saw a chance and made the price to crash even harder and now they can take advantage of the low prices.

[liuqi]

no one knows when they will buy and when they will sell, they come suddenly. if someone knows about this problem it means that the person is part of the pope's group.

Most of the whales are participate in this scenario because current scenario high margin trading is the good profitable so all the whales are buying and selling in every day. It is reflected in daily market so price manipulation is easily calculate in whales. We also have good chance to buying and selling  in crypto investment.

[gabmen]

no one knows when they will buy and when they will sell, they come suddenly. if someone knows about this problem it means that the person is part of the pope's group.

Most of the whales are participate in this scenario because current scenario high margin trading is the good profitable so all the whales are buying and selling in every day. It is reflected in daily market so price manipulation is easily calculate in whales. We also have good chance to buying and selling  in crypto investment.

Unless you know someone or you're part of a group of people with enough bitcoins to sway the market, you'll never know. It'll always be beyond us regular traders and investors. You'll only get frustrated thinking about it.

[Moiyah]

To tell you honestly, I was being pissed off with those whales. Whenever I do swing or margin trading, there are times that whales seems to control the market. And the sad part is that we can not predict when they are going to enter the market. There is no such signs or strategies to know exactly when is the time they are going to manipulate the market unless they are already in the market.

[Idrisu]

In forex we only know manipulations by the whales through candlestick formations because some whales has agreed to buy or sell when a particular patterns appear and if you can know those patterns you will definitely going to makes good profits from the market.  However Cryptocoins market is not mature enough for that to happen.

[Adriano2010]

We can't know for sure if is the whales who buy or sell and trying to manipulate price and other people who follow the price to sell or to buy coin, we can only wait and see if there is real support or no, or just hold coins.

[BeGoods]

actually no one knows how to predict it correctly, but there should be signs that will occur before the manipulation. For example there are transactions in large numbers leading to one exchange and also a suspicious pattern on Buy and Sell orders. Sometime its appear and gone in fast, i mean its there to distract other trader to put their order in it

Of course any sign when the market in manipulation, I think you often see in the market of altcoin, there are buy orders with the same amount at different prices, they try to drive prices up or down. look at the volume and buy-sell orders

[fasdorcas]

To tell you honestly, I was being pissed off with those whales. Whenever I do swing or margin trading, there are times that whales seems to control the market. And the sad part is that we can not predict when they are going to enter the market. There is no such signs or strategies to know exactly when is the time they are going to manipulate the market unless they are already in the market.

Well, I have read an article somewhere, where the writer claimed and backed it up with facts that it is absolutely possible to use technical analysis to  judge the actions of whales, I have not tried this though, I wish I can get the article out again to try it, but funny enough it has always been a coincidence for me to invest when they are about taking a pump action on a particular coin, just like what happened on bitcoin, though that one was not a whale action, I got paid for a service rendered and my instinct told me to keep it why I was tempted to withdraw it, I followed my instinct and little did I know that Bitcoin was going to perform such sweet magic.