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August 29, 2018, 10:54:06 PM
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Hello dear fellow miners!

Disclaimer: This post does not belong completely in The Altcoin nor in the BTC mining sub forum, if you are a moderator, feel free to move the thread as you feel appropriate.

I have been small home GPU-miner since the beginning of the year, and have spend hundreds and hundreds of hours on research. Unfortunately I dont really have anyone to spar with. I am hoping some of the pros here on bitcointalk might help point me in the right direction.

The situation:
I recently recieved a 80k USD investment to expand my small home mining farm operation. While i might use some of the cash on investment in cryptos the majority is expected to go into mining. Please keep this in mind before you type BUY BTC. 

I have a cheap (300 usd/month) facility with up 300 amps at 220v. I pay around 0.055 usd/kwh).

I am almost done setting up the place with airflow, security, network and the works.

Initially I was planning on a 50/50 GPU/ASIC split, but as the marked looks a full ASIC focus seems the obvious choice to me.

The problem:

What to buy?
I am thinking I will start off with:

2 x Antminer Z9
1 x Innosilicon A9 (would focus more on these if it wasn't for all the bad things i read about Innosilicon)
1 x Pangolin Whatsminer DCR (november is a long time away though)
5 x Whatsminer M 10.

Which is about 25k USD give or take.

Then hold on to the remainder of the cash for a few months, waiting for new hardware to surface. The Avalon A9 seems as a good option, depending on pricing.

What do you guys think? Any feedback is much appreciated !
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August 30, 2018, 12:01:29 AM
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Hello dear fellow miners!

Disclaimer: This post does not belong completely in The Altcoin nor in the BTC mining sub forum, if you are a moderator, feel free to move the thread as you feel appropriate.

I have been small home GPU-miner since the beginning of the year, and have spend hundreds and hundreds of hours on research. Unfortunately I dont really have anyone to spar with. I am hoping some of the pros here on bitcointalk might help point me in the right direction.

The situation:
I recently recieved a 80k USD investment to expand my small home mining farm operation. While i might use some of the cash on investment in cryptos the majority is expected to go into mining. Please keep this in mind before you type BUY BTC. 

I have a cheap (300 usd/month) facility with up 300 amps at 220v. I pay around 0.055 usd/kwh).

I am almost done setting up the place with airflow, security, network and the works.

Initially I was planning on a 50/50 GPU/ASIC split, but as the marked looks a full ASIC focus seems the obvious choice to me.

The problem:

What to buy?
I am thinking I will start off with:

2 x Antminer Z9
1 x Innosilicon A9 (would focus more on these if it wasn't for all the bad things i read about Innosilicon)
1 x Pangolin Whatsminer DCR (november is a long time away though)
5 x Whatsminer M 10.

Which is about 25k USD give or take.

Then hold on to the remainder of the cash for a few months, waiting for new hardware to surface. The Avalon A9 seems as a good option, depending on pricing.

What do you guys think? Any feedback is much appreciated !

Probably not the advice you want to hear but you should just buy some Bitcoins directly along with some promising alts like LTC, ETH, XMR, XRP, etc.

Because there is a crazy surplus of miners out there, even with these low prices the difficulties are still sky-rocketing and even with your cheap power, eventually you will be reaching break-even point levels.


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August 30, 2018, 12:58:33 AM
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If i were you, i'd hold back a little and buy FPGAs, they are currently crazy expensive (3.5k i think) but they have good density ($/W and $/space).

They currently work well on very few algorithms but the software should be coming soon, research the idea further.
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August 30, 2018, 02:56:38 AM
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Probably not the advice you want to hear but you should just buy some Bitcoins directly along with some promising alts like LTC, ETH, XMR, XRP, etc.

Because there is a crazy surplus of miners out there, even with these low prices the difficulties are still sky-rocketing and even with your cheap power, eventually you will be reaching break-even point levels.



Most of them are blind cause they think their cheap power will save them from themselves, they cant accept the truth that buying coins and wait is better, his 80k usd could become 400k in few months, if he buys mining equipment he will never get even 100% in a year even if coins they are mining increase a lot.

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August 30, 2018, 03:34:22 AM
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I say go 50/50

40k buy coins and 40k mining rigs. That's taking a middle path. If we dump more your glad you spent the money on rigs. If we go up higher your glad you bought coins.

The bear trend reversal has not been confirmed yet. Still in a bear market.
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August 30, 2018, 03:34:48 AM
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If i were you, i'd hold back a little and buy FPGAs, they are currently crazy expensive (3.5k i think) but they have good density ($/W and $/space).

They currently work well on very few algorithms but the software should be coming soon, research the idea further.

Fpgas are too new to risk your money on.  Right now
if i was starting a farm it would be z9s , and then half into crypto
40k of z9s 40k crypto
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August 30, 2018, 04:43:27 AM
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What to buy?
Whatever you choose to buy from ASIC equipment you should make sure that you return the major part of your investment in the first 6 month or so. ASIC are known to quickly lose from their profitability, so the point is to buy new hardware that will pay off quickly.
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August 30, 2018, 06:55:48 AM
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What to buy?
Whatever you choose to buy from ASIC equipment you should make sure that you return the major part of your investment in the first 6 month or so. ASIC are known to quickly lose from their profitability, so the point is to buy new hardware that will pay off quickly.

Yeh personally Id never buy another asic from bitmain at least,
but right now the z9 is the only one worth buying
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August 30, 2018, 09:47:09 AM
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yes for now (Z9) but every bitmain product doesn't have long-term mining, they only offer low power consumption then you wait 5 months later, then their product will only be used as a display.
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August 30, 2018, 10:44:58 AM
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I have a cheap (300 usd/month) facility with up 300 amps at 220v. I pay around 0.055 usd/kwh).

You were lucky, you got the fund and had cheap electricity cost, even while people say that's mean nothing, but at least you have it. Between buy the coins directly and buy mining stuff, both have their own risk. You were doing the right thing with splitting the fund (Don't Put All your Eggs in One Basket). As above said, you need to concern on capital recovery as your priority.
 
I am thinking I will start off with:

2 x Antminer Z9
1 x Innosilicon A9 (would focus more on these if it wasn't for all the bad things i read about Innosilicon)
1 x Pangolin Whatsminer DCR (november is a long time away though)
5 x Whatsminer M 10.

Then about the mining tools that on your plan, I have no idea about it, since my last ASICs was on the museum four years ago.  Cheesy

Initially I was planning on a 50/50 GPU/ASIC split, but as the marked looks a full ASIC focus seems the obvious choice to me.

But, if you are talking about GPUs, I on it currently.
I'm also a GPUs miner (home miner), my electricity cost is three times of yours. My daily profit, opps..seems like will be better to say, my average monthly profits are 200% of the electricity + operational cost (not bad  Kiss). So, when I need to pay the electricity+operational cost for $1, I still keep $2 as my profits (nowadays). I can add some SC of my current mining process, but that's not good for me.  Grin
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Yea, you should invest all your money on mining equipment because it's very profitable now and the difficulty is very low , it's a good time to jump in , i just gave you what you want to hear , go a head do what you want to do don't ask here because ppl here will say the truth not the lies you would like to hear.
I see ppl like you losing money everyday because they just want to do what they want to do without listening even if they pretend they are listening
Good luck

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August 30, 2018, 11:32:30 AM
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But what about this?:
I am almost done setting up the place with airflow, security, network and the works.

What to buy?
I am thinking I will start off with:

2 x Antminer Z9
1 x Innosilicon A9 (would focus more on these if it wasn't for all the bad things i read about Innosilicon)
1 x Pangolin Whatsminer DCR (november is a long time away though)
5 x Whatsminer M 10.

Which is about 25k USD give or take.
If you're going for ASICs, do not buy multiple brands and models, research for the one that has the highest profitability but not the ones that targets any "CPU-mining" & newly developed (including suspicious) algorithms .

The advantages of that are easier maintenance and "more efficient mining" of the coin of your choice.
That way, it will be easier to reach the capital return and even ROI in a shorter period of time, the other way around IMO have more disadvantages.
But if you want to expand and add diversity, your original plan (Add GPU Miners) can still be applied.

Today's a risky season for miners, it's up to you.

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August 30, 2018, 12:58:31 PM
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1. I'd recommend to stay away from ASICs completely and here is why: https://1stminingrig.com/asic-vs-gpu-mining-profitability-in-bear-markets/

2. If you want a mining farm for long term you should go with GPU or wait for more data about FPGAs.

3. You can also try to split your investment 50% mining hardware (currently prices for gpus went down a lot) / 50% coin acquisition (because market is very low), or 75%/25%, your choice!

you should also do a research about masternodes

My best advice here is to stay away from ASICs, and if you really want to try to see how it goes then do not invest more than 10%.

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August 30, 2018, 03:02:12 PM
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I'd offer buying second hand 1080ti GPU rigs for 400-450$ per GPU for half of the investment.
For second half.... take them to cryptoexchanges and take the wild buy/sell ride.
Well, You asked for adventure.  Roll Eyes

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August 30, 2018, 03:18:56 PM
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big error. the situation right now IS NOT FOR MINING PURPOSES.

As been said, better to buy the coins.

BTC no more than 6k by end of 2019. ETH no more than 300$ by end 2019. Huge market manipulation, huge amount of scammers and hypers.
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August 30, 2018, 03:24:18 PM
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OP, I'll try to be on topic and not direct you to buy coins with the money Cheesy

The question here, which I hope you already calculated, is have you turned a profit? If you have, that's good, you know what you're doing.  Wink

Since you were saying you have started mining with GPUs at the beginning of the year, you probably know already that ASICs are not like GPUs in the sense that they will probably become obsolete (or how these guys here want to call them: "door stoppers"  Cheesy ) and you won't be able to use them anymore for mining once the algorithm for your target coins changes.
In some cases, ASIC manufacturers announce their new ASICs when the most profitable coin states that it will change the algorithm to be ASIC resistant (see the Monero & Baikal case study).

If I were you, I would research more in the FPGA market rather than ASICs. FPGAs can be programmed to work even if the algorithm changes but you won't have the same hashing power compared to what the ASICs have.

Hope this helps Wink
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August 30, 2018, 05:09:37 PM
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You can buy some VEGAs, they are still very good and also currently pretty cheap.
Or some cheap RX 4xx/5xx they are very cheap, but ROI is still long with current prices.
You can try mine RYO, which is good with VEGAs and other 8GB AMDs, dev team is very skilled (dev team from XMR-STAK miner) and you can mine a lot of it now with expectation for better prices hopefully soon.

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August 30, 2018, 05:27:51 PM
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You can buy some VEGAs, they are still very good and also currently pretty cheap.
Or some cheap RX 4xx/5xx they are very cheap, but ROI is still long with current prices.
You can try mine RYO, which is good with VEGAs and other 8GB AMDs, dev team is very skilled (dev team from XMR-STAK miner) and you can mine a lot of it now with expectation for better prices hopefully soon.

Vega is quite good for new cryptonight algorithms.
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August 30, 2018, 05:31:00 PM
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I suggest you this https://www.asicminervalue.com/ if what is hardware is more profitable these days.
if you are in hurry this Innosilicon A9 ZMaster and this Bitmain Antminer Z9 will be a good option because it is more profitable than the other miners so if the difficulty increases the profitability decrease so you must choose if what hardware is more profitable so that you can make profit before the difficulty become higher and the coin become unprofitable.

GPU mining is also a good alternative if you live in Venezuela or any country with a lower electricity rate you can make a good profit.
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August 30, 2018, 05:47:04 PM
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I don't know where you are located but if you have 80k to invest it would be best to buy a small house by adding another small amount of money , in US a good small house cost about 150k depending on the state you are located.

If you are firm on your decision and you want to go with a mining adventure, my advice would be to buy 50% of the money , your favourite miners and the rest of money to buy bitcoin,ethereum,litecoin and zcash, the top 4 major coins and hold.

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