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August 30, 2018, 02:52:39 PM
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Hello all,

I am relatively new in this systems and have therefore devoted most of my time reading through posts in this forum to be better equipped with the does and don'ts and how to contribute and also benefit from this forum.

I thank the moderators for developing the merit system that have curbed spam and other negative tendencies in this forum as evident in the numerous testimonies of improved quality of posts in different sections of this forum. I know this is a work in progress and I believe the leadership of the house know what is best for this forum on the long run.

However, I will need more clarifications in certain concerns that I have which include but not limited to the followin questions:

1. Is anything being done to encourage bounty managers to adopt automated bounty reporting techniques as can be seen in https://www.bountysquad.com/ and https://bountyplatform.io/ as a way of reducing unecessary and substandard posts like bounty reporting?

2. Does the proof of authentication pattern introduced to checkmate cheating also constitute substandard posts?

3. What happens when a user have up to 500 activities but no merit as he is stocked in Jr. Memeber? Do you consider this encouraging? Because I understand irrelevant post are always deleted by the moderators of the various sections and for someone to have up to 500 activities, it means all the posts are not irrelevants.

4. Is anything being done to check abuse of this new system because every new system will always have its weakness?

I look forward to getting good and unambiguos answers to these questions.
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August 30, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
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These bounty platforms have 0 trasparence, there is no way to know and verify for sure how many people are participating.

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August 30, 2018, 05:46:02 PM
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I thank the moderators for developing the merit system that have curbed spam and other negative tendencies in this forum as evident in the numerous testimonies of improved quality of posts in different sections of this forum.
I'm not sure if moderators are the one who developed or proposed the merit system.

According to DdmrDdmr's stastics; the overall amount of posts from 23/01/18 to 22/07/18 have declined, but the Marketplace (Altcoins), where bounty section is located, the number of posts have increased. Bounty participants might be increasing.

However, I will need more clarifications in certain concerns that I have which include but not limited to the followin questions:
1. I guess no one have suggested this, but there are already bounty managers that doesn't require bounty hunters posting their fb/twitter links. Maybe the new forum software will remove posting of social media links, and these bounty platforms will be used by bounty campaigns.

2. If you are targeting to have merits, some merit sources might ignore you. But if not, as long as you follow mprep's rule, you're on the safe side. I reported some posts on a bounty thread that doesn't follow this rule before, I'm not sure if those posters know how to read or language was the barrier for them to understand or they could be bots.

3. Some posts will be deleted if it was reported to mods. But you can delete yours if you find it irrelevant, but deleting a certain amount of post can also reduce your activity. I've seen a newbie with 500 merits before, it was originally a hero member, and he decided to remove all of his/her posts to lower his rank(I forgot his/her name here, but that user carries a negative trust).

Don't look at my activity, please.

4. There are active members who hunt for merit abusers, but some of them are not yet caught or given any negative trust due to lack of evidence like this user, do you think he/she deserved to be given any merit?

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August 30, 2018, 06:20:37 PM
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These bounty platforms have 0 trasparence, there is no way to know and verify for sure how many people are participating.
I am struggling to understand what you mean by transparency on this as everything on those platforms are automated... for instance, if you like and share a facebook post, it is recorded automatically and you don't have to post report in the forum. So I will appreciate if you can throw more light on what you mean by transparency.
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August 30, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
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These bounty platforms have 0 trasparence, there is no way to know and verify for sure how many people are participating.
I am struggling to understand what you mean by transparency on this as everything on those platforms are automated... for instance, if you like and share a facebook post, it is recorded automatically and you don't have to post report in the forum. So I will appreciate if you can throw more light on what you mean by transparency.

Those platform are a s**t, since noone can read what one user posts and IF anyone posts, or what address users use.
I've found in the past a lot of accounts form abusers to joins those campaings (social media, and even signature on forum) by those platforms.
Since the transparency is ZERO a lot of people will abuse and will use more and more accounts to get many tokens as possible, Also since we have no transparency we can't Know if thousands of tokens will end on "shady address with 0 effort but a lot of money".


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August 30, 2018, 06:37:49 PM
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#1 - If it's just a post in the bounty thread, it is of little consequence to the forum. No one cares about those reporting posts as they are confined to the bounty thread.
#2 - I'm guessing this has something to do with Bounties again. So in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter to the average forum user.

Not going to lie when it comes to bounties, the only thing I care about is that it isn't for some scam ICO. These users are generally just fouling up twitter and Facebook. My only issue is when these users decide to go one further and start wearing a SIG and spewing low quality garbage everywhere.

3. What happens when a user have up to 500 activities but no merit as he is stocked in Jr. Memeber? Do you consider this encouraging? Because I understand irrelevant post are always deleted by the moderators of the various sections and for someone to have up to 500 activities, it means all the posts are not irrelevants.

This user would be a prime example of the system working. Anyone who can get 500 activity without a single merit, deserves to be stuck at Jr. Member level.

Not all irrelevant posts are deleted by moderators, most of the time they need to be reported before they get dealt with. Even then there is a line between being deserving of moderation and contributing in some way to the conversation. Not every post that isn't deleted or deemed relevant is deserving of merit, it still has to bring something extra to the conversation in some way.

#4 Is simple, merit is not moderated by the forum. Some DT may be tagging merit abusers in an attempt to keep the system functioning as intended. Others are documenting cases in the reputation thread for gross abuse, as for a while it was tied into the account hacks going on. The nice thing about that is that DT  can tag people based on their personal preference, such as people begging for merit. The problem with merit abuse is there are guidelines for giving it out but it is up to peoples personal preference; so it's not always a clear case.

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August 30, 2018, 10:58:10 PM
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#1 - If it's just a post in the bounty thread, it is of little consequence to the forum. No one cares about those reporting posts as they are confined to the bounty thread.
#2 - I'm guessing this has something to do with Bounties again. So in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter to the average forum user.

Not going to lie when it comes to bounties, the only thing I care about is that it isn't for some scam ICO. These users are generally just fouling up twitter and Facebook. My only issue is when these users decide to go one further and start wearing a SIG and spewing low quality garbage everywhere.

3. What happens when a user have up to 500 activities but no merit as he is stocked in Jr. Memeber? Do you consider this encouraging? Because I understand irrelevant post are always deleted by the moderators of the various sections and for someone to have up to 500 activities, it means all the posts are not irrelevants.

This user would be a prime example of the system working. Anyone who can get 500 activity without a single merit, deserves to be stuck at Jr. Member level.

Not all irrelevant posts are deleted by moderators, most of the time they need to be reported before they get dealt with. Even then there is a line between being deserving of moderation and contributing in some way to the conversation. Not every post that isn't deleted or deemed relevant is deserving of merit, it still has to bring something extra to the conversation in some way.

#4 Is simple, merit is not moderated by the forum. Some DT may be tagging merit abusers in an attempt to keep the system functioning as intended. Others are documenting cases in the reputation thread for gross abuse, as for a while it was tied into the account hacks going on. The nice thing about that is that DT  can tag people based on their personal preference, such as people begging for merit. The problem with merit abuse is there are guidelines for giving it out but it is up to peoples personal preference; so it's not always a clear case.

There are many instances that can make a user have 500 activities without a merit. I highlighted proof of authentication and bounty reporting... users who have huge appetite for airdrops and bounties, especially social media bounties, can have 500 activities without a merit and do not deserve a punishment. Secondly, judging by your response, it is evident that people with many activities without corresponding merits might be punished for that as higher ranked members will naturally assume they will not be able to post meaningful post... and this is another challenge the forum might face IMO.
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August 30, 2018, 11:24:52 PM
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No need to quote the entire post it's directly above your reply. Feel free to read through these posting tips.


There are many instances that can make a user have 500 activities without a merit. I highlighted proof of authentication and bounty reporting... users who have huge appetite for airdrops and bounties, especially social media bounties, can have 500 activities without a merit and do not deserve a punishment.

If there posts to gain 500 activity are only in those sections, where is the quality that would deserve merit. Unless the bounty manager is blown away by their ability to follow instructions and copy a reporting format. In no way are these people being punished, their bringing nothing of value to the forum, and in turn are still benefiting and earning money(tokens or whatever). Not to mention access the vaste amounts of knowledge that can be found and learned. What they can't do is rank up and earn money a second way through signature campaigns.

Why should these individuals advance in rank within this forum for contributing nothing?

Thinking that low ranking members will inherently earn less merit is a crutch. If your post has quality and contributes there are members out there who reward first check rank later. Some even go out looking for lower ranks to merit.

Here's the kicker though no one is entitled to merit, there are sections where it doesn't flow easily, and there are some members whose standards most cannot reach. It's just part of the system not necessarily a flaw, as merit should be a hurdle to achieving status in the forum.


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August 31, 2018, 07:06:25 AM
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About bounty reporting, I think most of them are fine under a specific topic, but it still does clog the forum.
Aside that the updates look good, and is still a work in rogress.
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August 31, 2018, 08:58:45 AM
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1. Is anything being done to encourage bounty managers to adopt automated bounty reporting techniques as can be seen in https://www.bountysquad.com/ and https://bountyplatform.io/ as a way of reducing unecessary and substandard posts like bounty reporting?

2. Does the proof of authentication pattern introduced to checkmate cheating also constitute substandard posts?
1.I wont trust these platforms because they do not show how the stakes are calculated and i have red that some users have good reason to believe that there are some shady bussines going on.
2. I believe this is what you are looking for https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3953664.msg37702167#msg37702167


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August 31, 2018, 03:08:41 PM
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3 is the main thing for me.
I use the forum a lot for checking altcoins anns and for bounties and airdrops. Bit i’m sire I’m adding valie and everytime I can I answer questions of new memebers and try to help.
Though since the change of system to the merits it’s been quite hard for me to keep ranking up.

I’ve been wondering if there are parts of the forum where merit flows more easily.

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