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Author Topic: Received Merit - Top Streaks (merited days in a row)  (Read 549 times)
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Merited by Welsh (7), Foxpup (6), hilariousetc (5), TMAN (5), theyoungmillionaire (3), LFC_Bitcoin (2), LoyceV (2), vapourminer (1), JayJuanGee (1), marlboroza (1), Silent26 (1), vphasitha01 (1)
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1.   Introduction

What I have done on this occasion is determine the merit streaks associated to different users. a Merit streak is a number of consecutive days (with no gaps in between) on which the user is awarded with merit. I've had this in mind for some time, but hadn’t gone forth with the idea since calculating the streaks was not as simple as I thought initially.

The best streaks are often dated back in the earlier days of the Merit System. When a forum member (or a subsection) has more than one streak with the same number of days, the most recent once is inventoried on the lists shown below.

Common column shown are as follows:
   Rank: Current user rank.
   Name: Username.
   UserId: Bitcointalk UserId.
   From: Initial streak date.
   Until: Ending streak date.
   nMerit: Merit involved in the listed streak for the given user.
   nDays: Duration of the streak in days.
   nMsg: Number of distinct posts merited in the streak.
   URL: User URL

Note: I also calculated the merit streaks from the senders point of view, but adding them here just made the post too long and I think the receiver streaks are more interesting really.

2.   Top 50 Receiver Streaks

The following is a list of the top 50 streaks during which forum members have received sMerit (may require horizontal and vertical scroll on some screens):
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rank                Name                UserId    from           until          nMerit    nDays     nMsg      URL
Copper Member       nullius             976210    2018-01-30     2018-03-01     518       31        108       https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210
Legendary           LoyceV              459836    2018-01-25     2018-02-20     225       27        65        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836
Legendary           JayJuanGee          252510    2018-01-25     2018-02-19     123       26        73        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=252510
Hero Member         BTCforJoe           557989    2018-03-22     2018-04-13     133       23        27        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557989
Hero Member         Last of the V8s     479624    2018-03-05     2018-03-26     116       22        48        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=479624
Administrator       theymos             35        2018-01-24     2018-02-12     1485      20        32        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35
Legendary           Jet Cash            698159    2018-06-26     2018-07-15     95        20        37        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698159
Staff               achow101            290195    2018-01-25     2018-02-11     121       18        45        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=290195
Full Member         theyoungmillionaire 1180530   2018-04-25     2018-05-11     68        17        22        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530
Full Member         tvplus006           1311641   2018-04-23     2018-05-09     53        17        7         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641
Hero Member         TheQuin             143168    2018-02-19     2018-03-07     44        17        22        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143168
Hero Member         TMAN                98986     2018-04-19     2018-05-04     127       16        24        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98986
Hero Member         Last of the V8s     479624    2018-04-14     2018-04-29     65        16        36        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=479624
Full Member         theyoungmillionaire 1180530   2018-06-19     2018-07-04     147       16        10        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530
Full Member         bitmover            1554927   2018-04-05     2018-04-20     61        16        19        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1554927
Legendary           hilariousetc        397737    2018-08-08     2018-08-23     162       16        24        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=397737
Sr. Member          o_e_l_e_o           1188543   2018-07-15     2018-07-30     59        16        24        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1188543
Legendary           Jet Cash            698159    2018-01-25     2018-02-08     82        15        30        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698159
Legendary           LoyceV              459836    2018-08-02     2018-08-16     79        15        32        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836
Legendary           The Pharmacist      487418    2018-04-15     2018-04-29     70        15        30        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418
Hero Member         Last of the V8s     479624    2018-02-15     2018-03-01     60        15        40        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=479624
Hero Member         Last of the V8s     479624    2018-01-31     2018-02-13     112       14        44        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=479624
Hero Member         Last of the V8s     479624    2018-03-30     2018-04-12     65        14        41        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=479624
Legendary           LoyceV              459836    2018-05-06     2018-05-19     28        14        16        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836
Sr. Member          AlyattesLydia       1046135   2018-01-25     2018-02-07     74        14        11        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1046135
Sr. Member          Co1n                95019     2018-01-29     2018-02-10     88        13        37        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=95019
Sr. Member          xtraelv             897509    2018-07-16     2018-07-28     146       13        23        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897509
Sr. Member          xtraelv             897509    2018-08-12     2018-08-24     56        13        19        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897509
Hero Member         HairyMaclairy       181806    2018-03-11     2018-03-23     35        13        22        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=181806
Hero Member         BTCforJoe           557989    2018-03-08     2018-03-19     70        12        17        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557989
Hero Member         poptop              906023    2018-01-25     2018-02-05     181       12        39        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=906023
Hero Member         TMAN                98986     2018-01-25     2018-02-05     315       12        58        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98986
Full Member         DdmrDdmr            1582324   2018-06-18     2018-06-29     46        12        13        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1582324
Administrator       theymos             35        2018-02-24     2018-03-07     108       12        18        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35
Copper Member       bill gator          370611    2018-01-24     2018-02-04     95        12        11        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=370611
Copper Member       nullius             976210    2018-03-03     2018-03-14     107       12        30        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210
Full Member         manji               1310981   2018-04-20     2018-05-01     42        12        20        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1310981
Legendary           LoyceV              459836    2018-06-09     2018-06-20     43        12        18        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836
Legendary           LoyceV              459836    2018-06-26     2018-07-07     33        12        17        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836
Legendary           DannyHamilton       60820     2018-01-25     2018-02-05     162       12        26        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=60820
Member              kirreev070          1221497   2018-08-01     2018-08-12     33        12        13        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1221497
Sr. Member          Piggy               188198    2018-06-25     2018-07-06     152       12        10        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=188198
Sr. Member          joniboini           1275282   2018-03-03     2018-03-14     41        12        15        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1275282
Sr. Member          explorder           1108331   2018-01-24     2018-02-04     305       12        3         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1108331
Sr. Member          duesoldi            937020    2018-01-26     2018-02-05     30        11        21        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=937020
Sr. Member          mdayonliner         1432468   2018-05-27     2018-06-06     22        11        14        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468
Sr. Member          ui_zakharchenko     1052653   2018-01-29     2018-02-08     76        11        3         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052653
Legendary           DannyHamilton       60820     2018-02-07     2018-02-17     29        11        17        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=60820
Legendary           Sylon               112240    2018-01-25     2018-02-04     99        11        14        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112240
Legendary           The Pharmacist      487418    2018-05-14     2018-05-24     52        11        23        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418

Nullius has the longest streak to date, having received sMerit for 31 days in a row, totalling 518 sMerits during that streak. LoyceV falls short by only 4 days, having a streak of 27 days, followed by JayJuanGee with 26 days. All these three top streaks were achieved during the early days of the Merit System.
Some forum members appear various times on the list with multiple streaks amongst the top 50. Hilariousetc and xtraelv were on an on-going streak at the time of data extraction, and really have a +2 days and +1 additional streak length looking over their merit this week.

Full list per user can be seen here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CSonntpRICTBYkLT_8ycIwYCxtKCxbXwBoD8KDkuHPw/edit?usp=sharing


3.   Top Receiver Streak per subsection

The focus this time is on the larges streak by Subsection (41 subsections, +1 deleted virtual subsection)(may require horizontal and vertical scroll on some screens).
Code:
section                       subsection                         rank           Name                  UserId       from           until          nMerit    nDays     URL
Alternate cryptocurrencies    Altcoin Discussion                 Sr. Member     Ranyar                1023316      2018-02-12     2018-02-18     55        7         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1023316
Alternate cryptocurrencies    Announcements (Altcoins)           Sr. Member     deeperx               1038794      2018-01-30     2018-02-07     125       9         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1038794
Alternate cryptocurrencies    Marketplace (Altcoins)             Legendary      Sylon                 112240       2018-01-25     2018-02-03     91        10        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112240
Alternate cryptocurrencies    Mining (Altcoins)                  Donator        Claymore              306958       2018-02-24     2018-02-28     13        5         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=306958
Alternate cryptocurrencies    Speculation (Altcoins)             Member         Frayz                 1879170      2018-07-02     2018-07-04     8         3         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1879170
Bitcoin                       Bitcoin Discussion                 Legendary      franky1               65837        2018-04-03     2018-04-08     11        6         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65837
Bitcoin                       Bitcoin Technical Support          Staff          achow101              290195       2018-01-28     2018-02-05     30        9         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=290195
Bitcoin                       Development & Technical Discussion Copper Member  nullius               976210       2018-01-30     2018-02-10     122       12        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210
Bitcoin                       Mining                             Hero Member    HagssFIN              348185       2018-03-20     2018-03-24     24        5         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=348185
Bitcoin                       Project Development                Full Member    CryptyMike            419071       2018-06-14     2018-06-17     16        4         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=419071
Deleted                       Deleted                            Full Member    Alex_Sr               1762404      2018-03-14     2018-03-21     21        8         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1762404
Economy                       Economics                          Hero Member    Last of the V8s       479624       2018-03-05     2018-03-26     115       22        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=479624
Economy                       Marketplace                        Hero Member    Hhampuz               881377       2018-08-11     2018-08-19     44        9         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377
Economy                       Trading Discussion                 Member         ICOEthics             2204241      2018-07-03     2018-07-10     26        8         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2204241
Local                         Arabic                             Hero Member    samcoin               840621       2018-08-10     2018-08-11     2         2         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=840621
Local                         Chinese                            Member         vagrom                1411205      2018-02-09     2018-02-12     13        4         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1411205
Local                         Croatian                           Sr. Member     Trofo                 1099980      2018-02-03     2018-02-08     18        6         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1099980
Local                         Dutch                              Member         Sexy_Sees             1338805      2018-02-12     2018-02-15     6         4         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1338805
Local                         French                             Full Member    JeremyB               1007192      2018-02-13     2018-02-19     14        7         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1007192
Local                         German                             Full Member    mole0815              1424178      2018-06-14     2018-06-22     35        9         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1424178
Local                         Greek                              Full Member    vascrs11              1072972      2018-01-25     2018-01-26     2         2         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1072972
Local                         Indian                             Sr. Member     Guvn0r                860161       2018-04-09     2018-04-10     2         2         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=860161
Local                         Indian                             Sr. Member     amishmanish           1107844      2018-04-09     2018-04-10     2         2         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1107844
Local                         Indonesian                         Full Member    manji                 1310981      2018-04-20     2018-05-01     42        12        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1310981
Local                         Italian                            Sr. Member     duesoldi              937020       2018-01-26     2018-02-05     30        11        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=937020
Local                         Japanese                           Member         hakka                 1649515      2018-05-18     2018-05-22     9         5         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1649515
Local                         Korean                             Full Member    SolidLiquid           1025214      2018-05-19     2018-05-19     1         1         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1025214
Local                         Other Languages                    Sr. Member     flekkelek             924671       2018-01-27     2018-01-29     10        3         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=924671
Local                         Philippines                        Full Member    theyoungmillionaire   1180530      2018-06-24     2018-07-04     43        11        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530
Local                         Polish                             Sr. Member     sud                   974532       2018-05-24     2018-05-25     4         2         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=974532
Local                         Portuguese                         Full Member    bitmover              1554927      2018-03-22     2018-03-29     13        8         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1554927
Local                         Romanian                           Member         HBKMusiK              1246426      2018-02-27     2018-03-01     6         3         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246426
Local                         Russian                            Sr. Member     Co1n                  95019        2018-01-29     2018-02-10     87        13        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=95019
Local                         Skandinavisk                       Member         Larsinist             1694762      2018-02-21     2018-02-21     2         1         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1694762
Local                         Spanish                            Sr. Member     solosequenosenada     80810        2018-01-25     2018-01-28     67        4         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=80810
Local                         Turkish                            Sr. Member     AlyattesLydia         1046135      2018-01-25     2018-02-07     74        14        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1046135
Other                         Archival                           Hero Member    HCP                   867786       2018-06-25     2018-06-26     2         2         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=867786
Other                         Beginners & Help                   Copper Member  shorena               181801       2018-01-24     2018-01-31     121       8         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=181801
Other                         Meta                               Administrator  theymos               35           2018-01-24     2018-02-12     1444      20        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35
Other                         Off-topic                          Copper Member  bill gator            370611       2018-01-25     2018-02-04     55        11        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=370611
Other                         Politics & Society                 Sr. Member     o_e_l_e_o             1188543      2018-07-26     2018-07-30     8         5         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1188543
Other                         Serious discussion                 Legendary      Carlton Banks         64205        2018-07-12     2018-07-16     23        5         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=64205

Long streaks per section/subsection are more difficult to obtain. Last of the V8s holds the record here in the Economics subsection (Wall Observer thread), with a 22 day streak. Theymos holds the second longest streak, being merited for 20 days in a row on Meta, whilst AlyattesLydia was awarded merit for 14 days in a row on the Turkish board. There are quite a few streaks of just a few days, nearly all on the Local boards, which goes to show that even the most merited there have difficulties.


4.   Max Receiver streak per user – distribution per Rank

In order to see if there is a substantial distribution change in the receiver streaks, I’ve aggregated the Max. streak per user and rank into the following table:



The columns indicate the max. receiver streak value (number of days). As I expected for the regular ranks, the higher the rank, the less cases of maximum streak being of only 1 day. For example, Legendries have a maximum receiver streak of 1 day for 65,31% of the users in this segment, while this value is of 92,32% for newbies.
Nevertheless, the Member segment does not follow the trend, as it outperforms the ranks above it by having noticeably more streaks of 2 days in a row as the maximum streak for its segment.

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Well, nullius has done it already and I think no one will ever break that record unless theymos becomes active on posting relevant threads Grin  Tongue

Even though nullius is already gone for a long period he will stay at the ranks and logs of Merit Analysis.

Majority of accounts on these list are known people from Bitcointalk. I wonder when will someone shows and stood up against those Wink

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Well, nullius has done it already and I think no one will ever break that record unless theymos becomes active on posting relevant threads Grin  Tongue
I don't think that his record is unbreakable, remember LoyceV on fell short of only 4 days which is really near and LoyceV is also very active in the forum currently and to top it off he is also a merit source which means that there is a high chance that the one he has sent the merits to has a certain influence on returning back the favor. I don't know when but I am sure that nullius' record is nowhere untouchable and someone will break it someday.

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Would be interesting to combine this data with data from their most merited replies/topics. COuld bring in some insight on why they received so much in a small amount of time. I think a few of these users probably posted a guide of some sort which resulted in them having a lot more merit in quick succession than normal.

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August 30, 2018, 05:39:28 PM
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I don't think that his record is unbreakable, remember LoyceV on fell short of only 4 days which is really near and LoyceV is also very active in the forum currently and to top it off he is also a merit source which means that there is a high chance that the one he has sent the merits to has a certain influence on returning back the favor. I don't know when but I am sure that nullius' record is nowhere untouchable and someone will break it someday.

Generally, requires a very high quality member for that to happen though, and there aren't too many that are near that standard. Plus, it also depends on how much sMerit users have to distribute at the time. You could get lucky, and a lot of merit sources recently got their sMerit back or you could be completely unlucky, and they have already ran out. There's a little bit of luck required too.

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Interesting info. Thanks for compiling it.

Some forum members appear various times on the list with multiple streaks amongst the top 50. Hilariousetc and xtraelv were on an on-going streak at the time of data extraction, and really have a +2 days and +1 additional streak length looking over their merit this week.



And I've yet to receive a single merit today despite making some quality shit. C'mon, fuckers. Don't make me merit myself from my main account and get negbombed  Grin.

Seriously though, I think the amount of merit sources or people actually giving merit is actually an issue right now. I don't really care that much about receiving merit personally because it's useless for me as Legendary now (unless additional ranks or badges are awarded for high merited users), though it is nice to know people have read and appreciated your posts, but there's a lot of quality posts I see that just don't get merited at all. I think even decent/great posters will struggle to rank up to levels of Hero and Legendary if this doesn't change, especially those users just signing up. Hopefully theymos will add users more frequently but this is one more issue that will likely be put on the backburner of things to do but never get done.

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Seriously though, I think the amount of merit sources or people actually giving merit is actually an issue right now. I don't really care that much about receiving merit personally because it's useless for me as Legendary now (unless additional ranks or badges are awarded for high merited users), though it is nice to know people have read and appreciated your posts, but there's a lot of quality posts I see that just don't get merited at all. I think even decent/great posters will struggle to rank up to levels of Hero and Legendary if this doesn't change, especially those users just signing up. Hopefully theymos will add users more frequently but this is one more issue that will likely be put on the backburner of things to do but never get done.
Yeah, I've noticed some very good quality posts never receive any merit whatsoever. Its not like they aren't being seen either. There's a few posts in the serious discussion section which I think deserve a few merit. The recent discussion on the tax debate has some interesting replies.

Probably a bad example because they have received quite a bit of merit since I last checked, but there's a few other topics, and replies in that section which seem to just be glanced over.

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<…>
Even though nullius is already gone for a long period he will stay at the ranks and logs of Merit Analysis.
Majority of accounts on these list are known people from Bitcointalk. I wonder when will someone shows and stood up against those Wink
Yes, @nullius will maintain records for quite a while, bearing in mind both the quality of the posts and that there was a merrier merit awarding possibility closer to the beginning of the Merit System kick-off than now. Only recently have a few users surpassed him on total aggregate received sMerits, and months have gone by since he was last active.
I don’t get your second comment…

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In my mind, there are three of four current candidates that are persistent and merited enough to currently challenge the record. Not easy at all though.

Would be interesting to combine this data with data from their most merited replies/topics. COuld bring in some insight on why they received so much in a small amount of time. I think a few of these users probably posted a guide of some sort which resulted in them having a lot more merit in quick succession than normal.
I’ve added a column to the first data table with the number of distinct post made by the forum member during the streak period of time. Most of them involve a large amount of posts (even if they may or may not be on the same thread).

<…>
Seriously though, I think the amount of merit sources or people actually giving merit is actually an issue right now. I don't really care that much about receiving merit personally because it's useless for me as Legendary now (unless additional ranks or badges are awarded for high merited users), though it is nice to know people have read and appreciated your posts, but there's a lot of quality posts I see that just don't get merited at all. I think even decent/great posters will struggle to rank up to levels of Hero and Legendary if this doesn't change, especially those users just signing up. Hopefully theymos will add users more frequently but this is one more issue that will likely be put on the backburner of things to do but never get done.
There’s another dimension to the problem which we’ve talked about around Meta, and that is the amount of merit per TX or per post. Specifically, on local boards the people rank up really slowly there, and many of them get a large part of their merit outside their local board. For example, this weekend I want to update and publish a list of Spanish Local users that have ranked-up. The number is really low (20: 1 now Sr. Member, 2 Full Members and 17 Members). Out of these, 4 or 5 people have received 100% of their merits on the local board, and the rest are cross-board members.

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Very inpressive work OP, will have to send Merit your way. That really is some in depth analysis.

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I've got two streaks in the first list, and no streaks on any of the individual boards. I guess that shows what an erratic personality I have. I should focus on some areas in the Bitcoin Talk forum, but which board is consistently the most stimulating. With all the changes that are going on in the world, politics should provide a constant flow of premium discussions in my opinion. Flying Hellfish has done a tremendous job in sanitising that board,but he needs the support of some of the quality posters here. The threads that get the most replies seem to be the ones one would expect to see in a school debating society. Discussions on international political topics are frequently ignored. The Ivory Tower and serious discussion seem to generate more responses. I think it is a shame, as good local opinion from some of the troubled countries is hard to find.

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<...> I think it is a shame, as good local opinion from some of the troubled countries is hard to find <...>
Politics and Society is an area I’m reading these days quite a bit, and indeed it does seem to be a pretty clean board with potential to grow on international issue discussion. Venezuela’s situation has been commented on some good threads, but now Argentina seems to be suffering quite a bit, with a 31% inter-annual inflation and a 55% depreciation of their national currency (El Peso) against the Dollar. Catalonia (Spain) is slowly building up to social confrontation in what is probably the EUs greatest inner threat (as if it didn’t have enough problems). I tried to explain the latter focusing on society on a post called Spain, Catalonia - The yellow ribbon road to social confrontation .
Politics and Society is also one of the least merited boards (local boards aside), with a running total of 0,53% of total awarded merit (even off-topic doubles those results).

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Yeah, I've noticed some very good quality posts never receive any merit whatsoever. Its not like they aren't being seen either. There's a few posts in the serious discussion section which I think deserve a few merit. The recent discussion on the tax debate has some interesting replies.

Probably a bad example because they have received quite a bit of merit since I last checked, but there's a few other topics, and replies in that section which seem to just be glanced over.

I think the issue is two fold. Most people don't have many merits so have to be frugal with them, and posts can get buried very fast. Even threads with worthwhile discussion happening where gems can be found they quickly get buried by dozens of users making generic one/two liners. When those users are getting paid as Juniors or whatever rank they automatically have it doesn't really matter to them and there's no real incentive for them to improve. That's why I'm strongly pushing for a merit requirement for users to become Juniors. If we removed their signatures completely then thus would force users to have to get ten merit and become a Member before they could even earn in the first place. I think this will have a huge effect on the quality of posts here as bots and spammers will get no where or not very far without getting the merit in whatever capacity.

Yes, @nullius will maintain records for quite a while, bearing in mind both the quality of the posts and that there was a merrier merit awarding possibility closer to the beginning of the Merit System kick-off than now. Only recently have a few users surpassed him on total aggregate received sMerits, and months have gone by since he was last active.


I'm sure he will be eclipsed soon, especially as he's MIA now. Though as I mentioned above the lack of people giving merit is an issue. If it wasn't for Welsh giving me some yesterday I would have broken my combo despite writing 9 or so pretty decent lengthy posts (in my opinion). Again, I'm not going to lose sleep over merit as it's largely irrelevant to me now but there are plenty of others possibly even more deserving who will go umerited. Quality users will get there eventually anyway, but 'average' or even above average users will likely struggle.

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I think the issue is two fold. Most people don't have many merits so have to be frugal with them, and posts can get buried very fast. Even threads with worthwhile discussion happening where gems can be found they quickly get buried by dozens of users making generic one/two liners.

I don't think the first point is the issue. I agree that your second point is a major problem. If more good posts were seen and merited, then that would solve the first issue.

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I think the issue is two fold. Most people don't have many merits so have to be frugal with them, and posts can get buried very fast. Even threads with worthwhile discussion happening where gems can be found they quickly get buried by dozens of users making generic one/two liners.

I don't think the first point is the issue. I agree that your second point is a major problem. If more good posts were seen and merited, then that would solve the first issue.

If you're not a merit source then you can probably run out of them very fast, especially if you're giving out more than one per post. Remember, for those that aren't merit sources you will only have them to give when people actually merit you (which isn't that frequent for most) and then you only have half the amount to 'spend' so it will quickly go and when users don't merit others more than one/two/three  at a time often that leaves little merit to send on.

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Interesting info. Thanks for compiling it.

Some forum members appear various times on the list with multiple streaks amongst the top 50. Hilariousetc and xtraelv were on an on-going streak at the time of data extraction, and really have a +2 days and +1 additional streak length looking over their merit this week.



And I've yet to receive a single merit today despite making some quality shit. C'mon, fuckers. Don't make me merit myself from my main account and get negbombed  Grin.

Seriously though, I think the amount of merit sources or people actually giving merit is actually an issue right now. I don't really care that much about receiving merit personally because it's useless for me as Legendary now (unless additional ranks or badges are awarded for high merited users), though it is nice to know people have read and appreciated your posts, but there's a lot of quality posts I see that just don't get merited at all. I think even decent/great posters will struggle to rank up to levels of Hero and Legendary if this doesn't change, especially those users just signing up. Hopefully theymos will add users more frequently but this is one more issue that will likely be put on the backburner of things to do but never get done.

Contrarian posts in circle jerk threads do not get merited period and those accounts can count on not receiving merits after those posts. But on the bright side dropping memes can make you famous. Smiley


Yeah, I've noticed some very good quality posts never receive any merit whatsoever. Its not like they aren't being seen either. There's a few posts in the serious discussion section which I think deserve a few merit. The recent discussion on the tax debate has some interesting replies.

Probably a bad example because they have received quite a bit of merit since I last checked, but there's a few other topics, and replies in that section which seem to just be glanced over.

I think the issue is two fold. Most people don't have many merits so have to be frugal with them, and posts can get buried very fast. Even threads with worthwhile discussion happening where gems can be found they quickly get buried by dozens of users making generic one/two liners. When those users are getting paid as Juniors or whatever rank they automatically have it doesn't really matter to them and there's no real incentive for them to improve. That's why I'm strongly pushing for a merit requirement for users to become Juniors. If we removed their signatures completely then thus would force users to have to get ten merit and become a Member before they could even earn in the first place. I think this will have a huge effect on the quality of posts here as bots and spammers will get no where or not very far without getting the merit in whatever capacity.
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If you're not a merit source then you can probably run out of them very fast, especially if you're giving out more than one per post. Remember, for those that aren't merit sources you will only have them to give when people actually merit you (which isn't that frequent for most) and then you only have half the amount to 'spend' so it will quickly go and when users don't merit others more than one/two/three  at a time often that leaves little merit to send on.

I agree, but my point was that by making it hard for merit sources to find meritable posts, you deprive those who would have received merits of the chance to award them. sMerit awards have half lives as you know, and this means that every sMerit awarded by a merit source adds virtually one more merit for the community to award. It's even worse than that, because if a merit source ends the day with some unawarded sMerits, then the replacement of those is delayed by a day. I've tried to make spammers aware that their activities reduce the number of sMerit available for their associates as well as themselves. However, they don't seem to get the message.

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Combo was broken yesterday  Angry


Merit ruins lives  Cry.


Contrarian posts in circle jerk threads do not get merited period and those accounts can count on not receiving merits after those posts. But on the bright side dropping memes can make you famous. Smiley

Not necessarily. I've given a few merits out to people who I didn't agree with, but they've certainly made the effort or put their point across articulately. I agree that people tend to give them more to posts they agree with or 'like' but there's nothing we can do abut that other than try urge users to give posts for effort rather than you just agreeing with them or liking their point.

And memes can be both funny and constructive. At least they lighten this place up a bit. I'd much rather merit a meme that a one-liner (especially if they've actually edited/customised the meme to be relevant).


Yeah, I've noticed some very good quality posts never receive any merit whatsoever. Its not like they aren't being seen either. There's a few posts in the serious discussion section which I think deserve a few merit. The recent discussion on the tax debate has some interesting replies.

Probably a bad example because they have received quite a bit of merit since I last checked, but there's a few other topics, and replies in that section which seem to just be glanced over.

I think the issue is two fold. Most people don't have many merits so have to be frugal with them, and posts can get buried very fast. Even threads with worthwhile discussion happening where gems can be found they quickly get buried by dozens of users making generic one/two liners. When those users are getting paid as Juniors or whatever rank they automatically have it doesn't really matter to them and there's no real incentive for them to improve. That's why I'm strongly pushing for a merit requirement for users to become Juniors. If we removed their signatures completely then thus would force users to have to get ten merit and become a Member before they could even earn in the first place. I think this will have a huge effect on the quality of posts here as bots and spammers will get no where or not very far without getting the merit in whatever capacity.

This and a crackdown on the bounty managers that allow and reward bot accounts.

Yeah. Neither of these things require much effort from theymos, he just needs to actually implment them and let staff handle the rest.

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I agree that people tend to give them more to posts they agree with or 'like' but there's nothing we can do abut that other than try urge users to give posts for effort rather than you just agreeing with them or liking their point.


I believe that the meaning of merit is different from a simple like. Merit is deserved not by the post with which we agree, but by one in which the author consistently and reasonably expresses his point of view. You can agree with him, or you may not. But in any case, it isn`t just an attempt to write a constructive and useful commentary that deserve merit, but an intelligible and precise report of someone`s point of view. It is through argumentative statements between participants that a discussion can begin. Even if their views don`t coincide, but they explain them and prove, with respect to the contrary opinion and listening to the arguments of the oponents, the forum members will certainly discover something new. As we know, in a dispute, truth is born. And merit is worth giving to those who help to approach it, and not just those with whom we agree.
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Nullius has the longest streak to date, having received sMerit for 31 days in a row, totalling 518 sMerits during that streak. LoyceV falls short by only 4 days, having a streak of 27 days
And there I was, thinking I overtook nullius on Merit (even though it took me more than twice as long). It turns out he found a way to be on top again without even logging in!

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All these three top streaks were achieved during the early days of the Merit System.
All jokes aside, nice list! I recognize most usernames in the top 50; the subsection top has mainly unknown names.
It's very time consuming to continuously produce high quality posts, and even when you do you won't receive Merit every day. That does explain why the longest streaks were close to the introduction of Merit, when more users had more sMerit to give.

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Nevertheless, the Member segment does not follow the trend, as it outperforms the ranks above it by having noticeably more streaks of 2 days in a row as the maximum streak for its segment.
Could this be due to merit trading? Say someone buys 10 Merit to become Member, and receives them on a few different days to avoid detection? To test this hypothesis: can you add a line to the table (number 4.) for Members who received exactly 10, 11 or 12 Merit?
I would expect this new category to have more streaks, and the remaining Members will have less streaks.

Majority of accounts on these list are known people from Bitcointalk. I wonder when will someone shows and stood up against those Wink
You make it sound as if it's a bad thing to be on this list. I wish much more people would stand up to join this list, because that means this forum is getting better.

I don't think that his record is unbreakable, remember LoyceV on fell short of only 4 days which is really near and LoyceV is also very active in the forum currently
Thanks for the confidence, but it's unlikely to happen. My second longest streak was in August, and reached only 15 days. I don't think it's very likely to reach 27 again, let alone 31. Unless the total Merit distribution and thus the chance of each post to receive Merit goes up significantly.

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he is also a merit source which means that there is a high chance that the one he has sent the merits to has a certain influence on returning back the favor.
I think (and hope) this doesn't happens often. Most of the time I give 1 Merit only, and 0.5 sMerit isn't enough to be returned.
By this logic, suchmoon should be the most merited person, as he's distributed 6 times more Merit than I did.

C'mon, fuckers. Don't make me merit myself from my main account and get negbombed  Grin.
I'm confused, are you merit begging your Global Moderator alt? Lol Cheesy

I've given a few merits out to people who I didn't agree with, but they've certainly made the effort or put their point across articulately.
On rare occasions, I didn't give Merit to posts that are worth reading, out of fear of that being interpreted as me endorsing the user.


This list can easily be gamed: I see a possibility to put satoshi on top, all I need to do is send him 1 Merit for one of his posts for the next 32 days Cheesy

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I'm about to merit the thread but when I'm in the "Merit a post" page I realised that I don't have any sMerits left, will reserve one of my future sMerit for this thread.

Back to the discussion,
You make it sound as if it's a bad thing to be on this list. I wish much more people would stand up to join this list, because that means this forum is getting better.
Well, I guess it's too difficult to be one of these members who were listed but it's worth a try to do everything just to be included. Hmm but no luck for me to be one.


I think the issue is two fold. Most people don't have many merits so have to be frugal with them, and posts can get buried very fast. Even threads with worthwhile discussion happening where gems can be found they quickly get buried by dozens of users making generic one/two liners.
That's true, that's why it is much better to Merit a post immediately when you saw a deserving one than to give it later because you won't be able to see that post again unless you dig those shitposts until you see the buried good post. This happens a lot in our local board and not just there, I can't believe why good discussions are always getting covered up by shits instantly. Maybe spammers really love shit discussions?

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If you're not a merit source then you can probably run out of them very fast, especially if you're giving out more than one per post. Remember,

Agree, since I have limited sMerits to give, I think it's just fine to give/distribute merit one per posts. It's still worth it.


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