owlcatz is trust abuser, liar, racist and much more.

[Rambotnic]

Read the thread

[Rambotnic]

Also just to make the things clear, frank had no problem of me re-selling the painting.
No one ask him to pay even cent for anything, especially for your claim that i wanted him to pay for re-shipping.
I never ask or request anything like that.
The reason i start the auction was just because frank had no problem and allow me to re-sell it which can be seen in my private messages -> http://prntscr.com/krf30v
Didn't know it will be a problem to frank to re-ship it to someone who wants to buy it.
I mean re-ship it without paying for it ofc, that's not his problem, i even offered money to frank for his time to ship it to someone if he want.

But after we clear the situation the conversation ends between me and frank because i realized what the mistake is with the customs, ask real friend for loan to pay the fees and tomorrow im going to customs to clear the things out.

[OgNasty]

Looks like he’s mad because he entered the contest and didn’t win. Pretty typical for this user to attack others out of jealousy.

[Rambotnic]

I don't get it... What kind of person will attack another one because he don't have money at the moment to collect his winnings ?

[TMAN]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5016247.msg45255686#msg45255686

That message from Frank is pretty clear.. He is not supporting the Auction - He will not be shipping anything on your behalf and if it is returned to him then he will offer it out again for a raffle.

seems pretty clear, pay duties or you cant have it - Owl hasn't given you a neg, he referenced the thread where the maker has stated that he does not back your auction.. I don't see where the problem is here

[Rambotnic]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5016247.msg45255686#msg45255686

That message from Frank is pretty clear.. He is not supporting the Auction - He will not be shipping anything on your behalf and if it is returned to him then he will offer it out again for a raffle.

seems pretty clear, pay duties or you cant have it - Owl hasn't given you a neg, he referenced the thread where the maker has stated that he does not back your auction.. I don't see where the problem is here

We are already done with frank about the auction. I fully understand whats about and the conversation was already ended.
This shit is after we end the conversation about the issue with frank.
P.S: Saying people should trade me with caution is the same as red flag.

owl actually im currently in escrow trade with minerjones and i believe both him and the seller would agree the communication with me is super easy and hassle free.
It is obvious you are racist and hate people who dont have money sometime.
It is my right to ask why i should pay for something free consider i don't know. When the things were clear i closed the thread.
Also you don't have anything to do about the things between me and frank.
Its between me and him. Nothing of my questions and so didn't harm you or the community at all.
When people don't know they ask, its better to ask than act like you... Don't know but rush to act...

[TMAN]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5016247.msg45255686#msg45255686

That message from Frank is pretty clear.. He is not supporting the Auction - He will not be shipping anything on your behalf and if it is returned to him then he will offer it out again for a raffle.

seems pretty clear, pay duties or you cant have it - Owl hasn't given you a neg, he referenced the thread where the maker has stated that he does not back your auction.. I don't see where the problem is here

We are already done with frank about the auction. I fully understand whats about and the conversation was already ended.
This shit is after we end the conversation about the issue with frank.
P.S: Saying people should trade me with caution is the same as red flag.

owl actually im currently in escrow trade with minerjones and i believe both him and the seller would agree the communication with me is super easy and hassle free.
It is obvious you are racist and hate people who dont have money sometime.

I really fail to see how anyone is racist.. Even frank seemed pissed off over you assuming he would take the return then ship for you when you have profited off his good nature.. do you not comprehend that others could see that as insulting - I know if it was me I would do.

I also know for a fact that Owl isn't racist or autistic, but you are coming off as more of an ass than him now sunshine

[Rambotnic]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5016247.msg45255686#msg45255686

That message from Frank is pretty clear.. He is not supporting the Auction - He will not be shipping anything on your behalf and if it is returned to him then he will offer it out again for a raffle.

seems pretty clear, pay duties or you cant have it - Owl hasn't given you a neg, he referenced the thread where the maker has stated that he does not back your auction.. I don't see where the problem is here

We are already done with frank about the auction. I fully understand whats about and the conversation was already ended.
This shit is after we end the conversation about the issue with frank.
P.S: Saying people should trade me with caution is the same as red flag.

owl actually im currently in escrow trade with minerjones and i believe both him and the seller would agree the communication with me is super easy and hassle free.
It is obvious you are racist and hate people who dont have money sometime.

I really fail to see how anyone is racist.. Even frank seemed pissed off over you assuming he would take the return then ship for you when you have profited off his good nature.. do you not comprehend that others could see that as insulting - I know if it was me I would do.

I also know for a fact that Owl isn't racist or autistic, but you are coming off as more of an ass than him now sunshine

Not sure why frank name is here on this thread. Its about owl.
Yeah he is racist because he hate people who don't own money.
I stated my problem that i didn't know and didn't had money to collect my winnings and after this the trust score came in.
We had negotiation with Frank and after he clear the things out for me the conversation and thread was ended.
Not sure why you even trying to be in idiot side.
What insulting ? You telling me that asking Frank why there is costs on free item is insulting ? You calling any question about something you need to know insult ?
Dude :D:D
Do you know owl personal to know he's not racist ?
Explain me how im an ass
For saying the truth ?
What owl have to do with the conversation between me and someone else ?
How he can place "TWC" to something he never spoke with just because i argue and wanted to know how a free item needs to be paid.
Don't try to explain me anything about the customs and frank because this once again is already over and its clear.
We are talking about other person, his nickname is on the thread.

[TMAN]

Not sure why frank name is here on this thread. Its about owl. - This started over the situation with frank - he referenced in your trust.
Yeah he is racist because he hate people who don't own money. - That is nothing to do with race, more a finance issue
I stated my problem that i didn't know and didn't had money to collect my winnings and after this the trust score came in - err.. read about importing goods, duties and tax
We had negotiation with Frank and after he clear the things out for me the conversation and thread was ended - frank posted
Not sure why you even trying to be in idiot side - he isnt an idiot - you are for not knowing about importing goods
What insulting ? You telling me that asking Frank why there is costs on free item is insulting ? You calling any question about something you need to know insult ? - you insulted owl calling him a racist and autistic
Dude :D:D
Do you know owl personal to know he's not racist ? - yes we were together in April
Explain me how im an ass - cos you are
For saying the truth ? - one sided childish insults
What owl have to do with the conversation between me and someone else ? becuase he doesnt trust you
How he can place "TWC" to something he never spoke with just because i argue and wanted to know how a free item needs to be paid. twc??
Don't try to explain me anything about the customs and frank because this once again is already over and its clear. - OK
We are talking about other person, his nickname is on the thread. - the one you insulted?


those answer enough for you princess?

[Rambotnic]

Not sure why frank name is here on this thread. Its about owl. - This started over the situation with frank - he referenced in your trust.
Yeah he is racist because he hate people who don't own money. - That is nothing to do with race, more a finance issue
I stated my problem that i didn't know and didn't had money to collect my winnings and after this the trust score came in - err.. read about importing goods, duties and tax
We had negotiation with Frank and after he clear the things out for me the conversation and thread was ended - frank posted
Not sure why you even trying to be in idiot side - he isnt an idiot - you are for not knowing about importing goods
What insulting ? You telling me that asking Frank why there is costs on free item is insulting ? You calling any question about something you need to know insult ? - you insulted owl calling him a racist and autistic
Dude :D:D
Do you know owl personal to know he's not racist ? - yes we were together in April
Explain me how im an ass - cos you are
For saying the truth ? - one sided childish insults
What owl have to do with the conversation between me and someone else ? becuase he doesnt trust you
How he can place "TWC" to something he never spoke with just because i argue and wanted to know how a free item needs to be paid. twc??
Don't try to explain me anything about the customs and frank because this once again is already over and its clear. - OK
We are talking about other person, his nickname is on the thread. - the one you insulted?


those answer enough for you princess?

My trust have nothing to do with owl same as the situation. Its not his business what i ask other people.
We are born to ask, to learn.
Thanks god you finally admit he is racist.
I didn't know about the importing goods and stuff so i talk with Frank and Frank only. Once again no one other business than mine and Frank.
Yes owl is an idiot, ofc i didn't know about the importing goods. Do you know growing pigs ? People learning till death.
He is racist and autisic.
Statements about the racism is above.
Why is autistic ? Because only person with autism will put his nose in other people things, not only putting his nose but making this his problem no matter he is no one and no one never asking him anything .
Im pretty sure your friends from "Mladost" call you princess and you liked that and calling other people like that just because you like people to call you like that

[TMAN]

~snip - boring stuff..

so boring treacle.. I don't trust you either, how about starting a thread about me now.. you really are a retard.

[Rambotnic]

~snip - boring stuff..

so boring treacle.. I don't trust you either, how about starting a thread about me now.. you really are a retard.

Who give a fuck who you trust son ?

[owlcatz]

~snip - boring stuff..

so boring treacle.. I don't trust you either, how about starting a thread about me now.. you really are a retard.

Who give a fuck who you trust son ?

Not sure, but you now have RED trust to me. Good work. Keep it up, maybe you will get more red!?

[Rambotnic]

~snip - boring stuff..

so boring treacle.. I don't trust you either, how about starting a thread about me now.. you really are a retard.

Who give a fuck who you trust son ?

Not sure, but you now have RED trust to me. Good work. Keep it up, maybe you will get more red!?

Who give a fuck about ur trust score pal.
We both know you are no one, same as your red trust you spamming everywhere
You are poor racist People like you die alone Enjoy ur misery life.

[Rambotnic]

This thread is open again.
owlcatz providing fake and false trust score around.
" held auction saying original shipper would pay for reship again." was his words on my trust score.
Those words were never written or said by me.
Not to mention he use the trust system as tool for his sadness and madness that he didn't won the giveaway to the winner (Me in this case).
He firstly called me idiot while i clear the situation with Frank, and after i realized its my fault not his and close the discussion, he placed fake trust score on my profile.
Is that what we are at bitcointalk ? Putting fake words on people mouths, being mean against some giveaway winners? Being aggressive to people who don't have money at the current time to pay the taxes for his winnings ? Calling people idiots because i ask for information ?
Is that what bitcointalk users are ? Is that what people with positive feedback doing around ?
Should kid like this doing whatever he wants and spreading lies and abuse the trust system ?
Not to mention his girlfriend TMAN from Bulgaria,Sofia (I won't mention where exactly but we both know where he come from) who protect that kind of activity even spammed my trust score because i attacked his girlfriend ?
This homophobic tried calling me "sweet heart" (probably because his girlfriend owlcatz calling him like that) he love to call other mans with sweet names just like a butterfly from caligula club....
I don't get it... Is that the "trusted" people over the forum ?
Should everyone be called with bad names and over reacting against people who asking about something they don't know ?
Im local police officer at the same country TMAN lives, and believe me, if they go to far, and harass people around and i do find evidences against that or they harass me, i will make public video of him being harassed and arrested for violating our country laws.
For now there is only fake claims and spam trust abuse which should be case for the DT members (if someone still care about this forum).
New members and honest people don't know something should receive help and example from the trusted members. Not being harassed, spammed with fake claims ( held auction saying original shipper would pay for reship again.) and abused by their trust score.

I would like to see other people opinion and what they think about that.
I do not care about TMAN and his girlfriend owlcatz opinion.
They are proven spammers and trust score abusers. Sadly not in last place liars.

[yogg]

I am actually surprised there is any costs because that's not sale and not sure how customs want to put any taxes on gifts.

As I understand this disagreement, this is it.
You should have thought about the consequences of your actions, like what winning the contest implies for you, before entering it.
If you paid for the item or not has little significance when it comes to pay import taxes.

If someone gifted you a Tesla car in a foreign country, you as the owner, would have to pay import taxes, tariffs, to your government based on the value of the item being imported, when it crosses the border.
That has nothing to do with the fact that you paid for it, or no. That would be the same if you drove the car yourself from a foreign country, and taking it home. You are free to leave it abroad too and never pay import taxes.

At some point, if you want to keep it at home, you'll have to register it officially with your government services. And this has nothing to do with the fact that you paid for it, or not.

You also need to understand that some people may be upset because of that. Now, you are unable to retrieve the item as there were 15 more people wanting it.
Given that, a neutral feedback stating "Trade with caution" doesn't seem inappropriate to me, since you are unaware of how custom works for your country.

There's no one to blame here really. Mistakes happen. This is how we learn.
I'm pretty sure that the next time you'll be looking to trade, you will keep this in mind :  the value of the goods is declared on the custom forms, and you need to pay tax on the value of the item you import.

Now about the topic of this thread you started, owlcatz is nothing of the names you call him as far as I know.

[Rambotnic]

I am actually surprised there is any costs because that's not sale and not sure how customs want to put any taxes on gifts.

As I understand this disagreement, this is it.
You should have thought about the consequences of your actions, like what winning the contest implies for you, before entering it.
If you paid for the item or not has little significance when it comes to pay import taxes.

If someone gifted you a Tesla car in a foreign country, you as the owner, would have to pay import taxes, tariffs, to your government based on the value of the item being imported, when it crosses the border. Y
That has nothing to do with the fact that you paid for it, or no. That would be the same if you drove the car yourself from a foreign country, and taking it home. You are free to leave it abroad too and never pay import taxes.

At some point, if you want to keep it at home, you'll have to register it officially with your government services. And this has nothing to do with the fact that you paid for it, or not.

You also need to understand that some people may be upset because of that. Now, you are unable to retrieve the item as there were 15 more people wanting it.
Given that, a neutral feedback stating "Trade with caution" doesn't seem inappropriate to me, since you are unaware of how custom works for your country.

There's no one to blame here really. Mistakes happen. This is how we learn.
I'm pretty sure that the next time you'll be looking to trade, you will keep this in mind :  the value of the goods is declared on the custom forms, and you need to pay tax on the value of the item you import.

consequences of my actions ? My actions was to ask Frank can i resell the art.
Did you even read whats all about or you just comment without reading ?
I were in talk with Frank why there is custom taxes on something free and so and is he available to cover them consider thats a giveaway on a free item and it should be totally free.
After he explain me and also customs agent explain me, i did close the thread after understanding whats going on
I never continued the conversation after Frank explain me and the customs agent.
I never requested/ask/forced or anything from Frank to pay even 1 cent for any shipping.
I made an auction saying that i cannot pick up the winning because i didn't had money to collect it.
It will cost Frank 0 cents if he wanted to reship it to the new owner with him covering the shipping costs which i stated on the thread.
So do you mind read before posting so you could understand where im coming from?
Cheers.
I already did "trading" (actually i bought something using MJ as escrow) and it all went more than well and easy.

And yes owlcatz is liar,  spammer and racist.
His claims i ask Frank to pay for reshipping is lie.
His spam on my trust score is based on lie which is spam.
He is racist because he start attacking me because i didn't had money to collect my winnings which had nothing to do with him

Tell me which point isn't clear to you, so i could redirect you to his statements ? And you can double check who is the asshole on this thread.
Because you can't treat people like shit because they don't have money at the moment.
You can't treat people like shit and spread lies just because someone win an auction than you.
And you can't put your girlfriend TMAN to protect you from the truth.

*No matter it was not negative feedback in first place, why would he state someone should trade me with caution ?
In that time frame i stated that i didn't had money to collect my free winnings.
So his statements are based because i didn't had money to collect them ? Or just because i was talking with Frank about solution and learning about the customs shit?
Do you actually agree with that kind of attitude against people who ASKING how it is and how should be done ? And do you actually agree on that kind of attitude against person who admit he don't have money on the moment to collect his own free winnings ?
What i did wrong and to who ?
Is "asking" now days and negotiating with someone is something suspicious ?
Is not knowing now days is crime and you are not allowed to ask and negotiate ?
Jeez guys, we are bitcoin community and we should be friendly not cancer...

[yogg]

I won't comment any further on this thread after this reply, given how you mix everything up in your replies, as I try to clarify what happened here.
It's kinda unproductive. You should be honest with yourself, question yourself, and try to understand what's going on.

I understand this may be surprising to discover that you have to pay something to get a prize you won, but let's solve this, not make it more complicated.

consequences of my actions ?

Yes, consequences of entering the contest and winning the prize. This isn't your kid, or your dog, that logged onto the forum and by coincidence took part in the contest, right ?
You should have thought of what will happen if you win. Not knowing this shows that you have very little experience with receiving expensive items from abroad.
On the contrary, if you already knew this, why entering it ? Since you knew you'll have to pay at some point.
Why making all that fuzz for a mistake you made ?

I were in talk with Frank why there is custom taxes on something free and so and is he available to cover them consider thats a giveaway on a free item and it should be totally free.

Frank is kind enough to gift this item to the community, this shouldn't be his work to look up the legislation of your country. It should be your work to do.
Your customs services will explain to you why there is a tax on an item you got for free.

If Frankbitcoin should or shouldn't pay import taxes, is another story.

The direct consequence I see to this is Frank not doing this type of give away anymore in the near future, or at all. Or excluding a whole bunch of newbies / jr. members / members ... from entering.
Anyway, all this hasn't done much good to the community, and there is nobody else to blame but yourself, Rambotnic.
And you try so hard to point at anyone contradicting you like owlcatz, TMAN, and now me, so people won't understand that at the origin, the mistake was yours.

EDIT :

And do you actually agree on that kind of attitude against person who admit he don't have money on the moment to collect his own free winnings ?
What i did wrong and to who ?
Is "asking" now days and negotiating with someone is something suspicious ?

1) Yes. The bottom of the message is right. The shape of the message is open to discussion, but I agree with the bottom of the message.
Because, why entering the contest in the first place if you don't have the money to collect your winnings, considered as valuable by your government, that you got for free ?

2) You did wrong to the rest of the participants, by not being able to collect your winnings. You did wrong to Frank, who now needs to spend additional time in the context of that giveaway, to reply to you, find a solution, and apparently needs to gather informations about your country customs policies ...  

3) Asking is not the problem. Entering the contest without knowing what will happen, is the problem. You should have known what you're up to by winning, and never have asked anything more to Frank in the context of this giveaway, certainly not to spend more money from his own pocket because of your lack of knowledge about your government customs.

[o_e_l_e_o]

If you buy a house, you are the one who pays tax on it. If you don't pay, the house isn't yours.

If you buy a car, you are the one who pays tax on it. If you don't pay, the car isn't yours.

If you win the lottery, you are the one who pays tax on it. If you don't pay, the winnings aren't yours.

If you win a competition for a piece art, you are the one who pays tax on it. If you don't pay, the artwork isn't yours.

You can't resell something that isn't yours.

This is not a difficult concept.

[actmyname]

He is racist because he start attacking me because i didn't had money to collect my winnings which had nothing to do with him

I don't think that is what the word racist means. You are free to look it up; this is the information age after all.

You can't treat people like shit and spread lies just because someone win an auction than you.
And you can't put your girlfriend TMAN to protect you from the truth.

You're assuming owlcatz is mad because they didn't win. I can almost guarantee that this is not the case. And TMAN just likes to join absurd discussions. If you take a step back you might see that here.