Market manipulation

[wuvdoll]

I do not think it is manipulated that much anymore. The reason why I say that is because the price was going above $7.2k levels (once hit $8k and another time hit $7.7k) and came back down to $6.4k levels multiple times during this summer whereas right now even when someone bought like 500 million dollar bitcoin with his usdt and there was a tether crisis and all that the price jumped like 3-5% at max and not much more.

This tells me the manipulation is getting lesser and lesser everyday for some reason because if there was manipulation in the market when that happened manipulators would have taken advantage of that and bought as much as they can and increase the price and than dump it at above 7.2k levels again. Since, they didn't do it and they haven't done that for couple months now I am thinking the manipulation is getting lesser and lesser.

[Siren]

Everything is possible here in cryptocurrency just like what happening is real life,power controls the world and this is not different world when whales are the powerful accounts and can do everyting they want,specially manipulation when by this they can earn easy money,all they need to do is pay for those who will create fud and fake news so the value will drop because of the weak and panicking cryptonians,and also they can buy large amount of bitcoin to pump and when others buys with thn,then they will withdraw for a easy income

[Coin_trader]

It is possible for some whales to manipulate a certain coin in some period of time, not for a very long period but for just some particular time. The whales could manipulate the market if they have the most numbers of the total supply. They could manipulate the price and control the supply when they hold the majority of the total token supply.

[cunguks]

I am 100% certain that the whales, institutions and governments individuals are colluding with one another to alter the prices, it is human nature to be greedy even if it is at the expense of millions. The best way to avoid this situation is to be a whale yourself, and that's quite difficult to achieve nowadays.

As people with mediocre in term of capital trading, it becomes nearly-impossible to be able to participate in manipulating what is happening in the market. We can only go with the flow and try to use the flow so that we can produce some little profit for us to get. We must adapt in an environment that distinguishes influence based on capital owned. Every trader has his own fighting method, so we don't need to try to be whales so that we can contribute to the market turmoil.

[Yamifoud]

Its gonna be normal for now and even politicians have a huge control for these( I think). Anyways, it won't scared for us since knowing that they don't have control the entire market and community participation might contribute a huge help so won't bring into centralized form.

[prtty2gal2]

I think it is really difficult to manipulate the market but it is not impossible, a trader or group of traders need a large amount of capital to make it real and it could be true to just a certain token or coins if they are able to get the majority of it's supply at the market so they could set the price and manipulate the market.

The difficulty actually depends on each market. Stocks can be manipulated somehow, but not on a large scale proportion the way we are having what is going on in cryptocurrency space at the moment.

But one thing that is certain is that anyone who is caught manipulating the stock market will really get to have themselves blame for making such a decision as there are regulations and laws in place against that, which is something that is not yet available in this market and that makes it an easy target for manipulators and before we will even get to see much at all, we might as well just start seeing the way things go with mainstream adoption.

[yndye]

It is possible for some whales to manipulate a certain coin in some period of time, not for a very long period but for just some particular time. The whales could manipulate the market if they have the most numbers of the total supply. They could manipulate the price and control the supply when they hold the majority of the total token supply.

It would still depend on the volume of the coin. If those big holders of the supply of the  coin would decide to dump the price then they can do so and they can do the opposite as well which is to pump the coin. They may do it for just a short amount of time or it may take weeks before they decide to sell their holdings. They may start by spreading good news about the project and if it will catch the attention of the people, price would slowly climb and for those retail traders, they should always be on alert for cases of sudden pump and dump.

[GregH37]

All market can be manipulated , even in stocks and forex market that has higher market cap than crypto also possible to manipulate it. The manipulater market is big player who have alot of money. But when crypto to be multi trilliun dollar market cap will be more difficult to manipulate it. Like gold that has more than $7 trillion market cap is hard to manipulate the price.

Sure, and for a market that is even just starting, a lot of speculations all around and people wanting to get rich overnight, it makes this market an easy target.

We have to understand that there is really no regulation in place that actually get to see things go differently compared to what has been happening with the stock markets in which you can easily get jailed or get into trouble for manipulating the market as we have seen cases like that before. However, as a market keeps getting bigger in market capitalization, it becomes harder to achieve this and even with real life usage, it even gets harder.

[BlackPanda]

Back in 2017 it was published that certain powers will crack down on cryptocurrency in 2018. Comments by institutional representatives like "oh there just kids playing in the sand box. They'll lose interest soon." leave some wondering what they meant by these statements. Some say that the moment BTC Futures came online, the market just started tanking, and never really stopped. The double, or is it triple dip that happened here in mid Sept seemed odd to many. Commentators claimed that "unusual market activity" occurred just before it tanked. Many chalked it up to a decision by Goldman Sachs but do their choices really matter THAT much to average traders? Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 

Price manipulation cannot be avoided. Currently cryptocurrency is very easy to access and also easy to obtain. So that anyone who has crypto then has the opportunity to manipulate prices. Crypto prices will never be stable because basically the public is waiting for the government's reaction. It is the government decision that can change the direction of crypto movement in the future.

[hicies]

Cryptocurrency market is somehow manipulated especially with a decentralized system. I agree that some of these whales are the early bitcoin holders and some whales are the bigtime individuals and companies. This market really involves a lot of money. Now, can regulation minimize manipulation?

Yeah I agree with you. Due to these manipulators many investors withdrew their money because they realize that they cannot make money because of these manipulators. They will never let small investors to make money from their investment and it is not good for bitcoin on the whole. Investment cap will not increase if there is no demand and investors in the market.

[Kaznachej123]

    We're at a point where Alts are itching to move so bad that as long as BTC doesn't go down then they rally from this accumulation order block. They're ALL sitting at such pinnacle historic order blocks that figures like Don and I can't resist, regardless of market sentiment.

[udidrone]

Cryptocurrency market is somehow manipulated especially with a decentralized system. I agree that some of these whales are the early bitcoin holders and some whales are the bigtime individuals and companies. This market really involves a lot of money. Now, can regulation minimize manipulation?

It can if those whales were strong enough to state all their liabilities , but still hard to do since its decentralised and controlling crypto aren't that suitable in coins uses.

I think if government already make regulation, even crypto is decentralized,it still can controlled. But it all depends on what government do, they will support or maybe ban crypto in their country.

[josephdd1]

I do not think the market is being manipulated. If it were then surely everyone would want to drive up the prices rather than maintaining it at a constant price.

[1Referee]

We have to understand that there is really no regulation in place that actually get to see things go differently compared to what has been happening with the stock markets in which you can easily get jailed or get into trouble for manipulating the market as we have seen cases like that before.

Manipulation evolves just as much as regulations concerning the crypto market does. The manipulation happening in the stock market is less obvious, but less obvious doesn't mean it isn't there. Institutions know exactly how far they can go, and they also know how to make their trading patterns look as organic as possible, which can't be said about those who drive the crypto market.

Everything happening in the crypto world is so obvious and it almost looks like market makers aren't even bothered by anything, and why should they? Exchanges are closing an eye when it comes to their market makers, because they know they are gone when you limit their functionality as exchange.

In the end, people love pumps and dumps, which means that if they want to get rid of manipulation, pumps and dumps will be gone as well. In other words, be careful what you wish for.

[Baofeng]

I do not think the market is being manipulated. If it were then surely everyone would want to drive up the prices rather than maintaining it at a constant price.

What you described is bubbled and FOMO and not manipulation per se. The price is maintaining because investors and newbies doesn't want to push their luck on the current market situations, too much risk and little to gain. You just have to look a couple of months back and see how the price keeps trading on sideways and with no apparent reason, it will go on another dip, people see this as opportunity, but actually, manipulators are just trying to set us up. Then after a week if the price is that good to make a profit then manipulators dump again. Then the cycle continues.

[moynul2050]

this is the frightening part of crypto investment, crypto trading is promising but in reality it is difficult to get profits because prices are dominated by some people who have large capital. I say this is difficult but just follow it and enjoy the trade flow.

[tenakha]

All market can be manipulated , even in stocks and forex market that has higher market cap than crypto also possible to manipulate it. The manipulater market is big player who have alot of money. But when crypto to be multi trilliun dollar market cap will be more difficult to manipulate it. Like gold that has more than $7 trillion market cap is hard to manipulate the price.

Sure, and for a market that is even just starting, a lot of speculations all around and people wanting to get rich overnight, it makes this market an easy target.

We have to understand that there is really no regulation in place that actually get to see things go differently compared to what has been happening with the stock markets in which you can easily get jailed or get into trouble for manipulating the market as we have seen cases like that before. However, as a market keeps getting bigger in market capitalization, it becomes harder to achieve this and even with real life usage, it even gets harder.

Yes, every market can be managed. Maybe they act to the Bitcoin from the outside, even though they influence others from the inside. So they have gathered a large portion to their pockets to manage Bitcoin and have the power to determine the price at any time. Even if they cannot manipulate the price they want, the psychology of people helps them after making a small change in price.
Also, considering that the price change is different from the others, it is easy to influence the price with a little news.

[adaseb]

Right now, especially on weekends its actually not that hard to manipulate the price a certain way that you want. Basically if you got >500 BTC or more you can easily do it because the exchanges are crazy illiliquid.

This happens almost all the time and its the same story. Somebody does a >500+ BTC market buy/sell on a market like Bitfinex with leverage and all the algo bots do the same on other exchanges. And what does this is it creates buy/sell pressure on Bitmex and there is a crazy amount of liquidations in a short amount of time. Basically what happened at yesterdays high.

You don't realize this but it takes a very long time to fill an 1-2Million contract order on Bitmex, however if the stops and liquidations are run a certain direction, then you can get an 10+ Million order filled within seconds.

The trick is to learn when this happens and try and profit off it doing the exact opposite. With Bitmex the issue is that usually when the stops are run, somebody spams the API and its very difficult getting an order in. So you need to use another exchange like Coinbase/Gemini and get in there instead. Or you can guess where the stops might be and put your order in ahead of time, or just short the bounce however they usually don't always bounce for a re-entry.

[Biscutard]

Yes it is the market could be manipulated by the other people and we call them whales. But it seems we don't see them often because of their lack of activity in the market, i guess they were keeping their profile low so that no one would know who started it again. Maybe i was right, who knows, anyway the market is quite stable at $6400 starting from august.

[kaizerblitz]

I see people who manipulate are called them whales they are the group of person that are control the price of the market. Whether it is good manipulating or bad we can not do anything about it because they are rich and have a power on that.