Market manipulation

[Husecomang]

I was expecting that For Sure all the way will get more votes and thats what happening here. Yes, everyone knows very well that market manipulation is prime business here to make some good fortune. Who does that ? Off course the whales are big players in that and they will always keep doing such things all the time for their own benefit. They dont care if you are loosing money because in this game someone has to loose their money so that others can gain from it. For example, whenever there is panic seller who is selling his BTC at cheap rates then at the same time whales would be buying it. And create situation like this, market needs to be manipulated badly and they do it all the time.

I guess what I don't understand is how they make money if they sell at a loss? If they are pumping and dumping, then why is there more dumping than pumping?

They don't sell at a loss

Intentionally they are buying at cheap price from panicking people

then Its where the pump comes in

an easy profit from the whales

Though sometimes whales, eat their own

Always an easy profit for them as long as the market keeps remaining speculative in nature. This is one of the reasons why we have always said things like people should focus more on the currency aspect and the value it brings as well as real life usage than wanting to get rich overnight.

As long as there are people with such emotions and they tend to be a reactionary investor based on price movement and speculation, then they are the ones the whales obviously target and for that reason, they tend to gain so much from manipulating the market.

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[SubZer0]

Market manipulators are nasty souls, they basically enter a market, and either drive prices up, then sell out causing a crash after momentum has developed, or they drive prices down to buy cheaply. I've seen both and they can be deadly.I'm not so much complaining about this as much as I'm trying to spread awareness, or at least confirm my suspicions, though, I'm pretty sure. My goal is to inform other, less shady crypto users like myself so maybe we can all benefit from these.

[Docnaster]

I am 100% certain that the whales, institutions and governments individuals are colluding with one another to alter the prices, it is human nature to be greedy even if it is at the expense of millions. The best way to avoid this situation is to be a whale yourself, and that's quite difficult to achieve nowadays.

[EXtremeAEX]

I think that the market is completely manipulative. Exchanges and whales are now profitable that the price of bitcoin was such, so they will in every way restrain it from growth. It will grow when its becomes profitable for whales.
People are just a crowd that always acts the same in the same situations. Whales simply create certain conditions, and the crowd reacts in the same way and acts according to the created situation. Unfortunately, we, simple people are beyond the power to change anything, we just try to make money in these terms.

[bastian466]

It is still a mystery with market movements this year that have experienced the collapse of all altcoins as if it would be like extinction of many of my news theory opinions as people down just sitting frantically watching the real events on the field

[exstasie]

I am 100% certain that the whales, institutions and governments individuals are colluding with one another to alter the prices, it is human nature to be greedy even if it is at the expense of millions. The best way to avoid this situation is to be a whale yourself, and that's quite difficult to achieve nowadays.

It might be human nature to be greedy, I can agree with that. But it's extremely unlikely that any one group of actors is capable of collusion on this scale. Back in the old days when there were only a handful of exchanges, maybe. But now the market is very distributed and global, with much more order book depth than years ago.

Manipulating the price upwards at these prices across all markets would take ridiculous amounts of capital, on deposit at unregulated and opaque foreign exchanges no less. Manipulating the price downwards requires ridiculous amounts of BTC, which is much harder to come by. There are less whales than you think. The ones stupid enough to try pushing prices around don't stay whales for long.

[metribitcoin]

All market can be manipulated , even in stocks and forex market that has higher market cap than crypto also possible to manipulate it. The manipulater market is big player who have alot of money. But when crypto to be multi trilliun dollar market cap will be more difficult to manipulate it. Like gold that has more than $7 trillion market cap is hard to manipulate the price.

[Coin_trader]

I think it is really difficult to manipulate the market but it is not impossible, a trader or group of traders need a large amount of capital to make it real and it could be true to just a certain token or coins if they are able to get the majority of it's supply at the market so they could set the price and manipulate the market.

[BitcoinTurk]

Unfortunately, both the big investors and the industry's leading sites are constantly manipulating the market. This situation is becoming an advantage for many large investors, especially if there is no regulation in the market. With this advantage, investors entering intense buying orders are bulging the price and making the price fall in the investors entering the intense sales order.

[Golftech]

I think it is really difficult to manipulate the market but it is not impossible, a trader or group of traders need a large amount of capital to make it real and it could be true to just a certain token or coins if they are able to get the majority of it's supply at the market so they could set the price and manipulate the market.

They can do that, as crypto market still unknown or anonymous we can't tell if there's already billionaires who also playing inside, this manipulation as mentioned needs to be done by a large capital, it is not impossible for wealthy businessman to look around and see the potentials as they always looking
for advantages that they can take to make more profits.

[arpon11]

Back in 2017 it was published that certain powers will crack down on cryptocurrency in 2018. Comments by institutional representatives like "oh there just kids playing in the sand box. They'll lose interest soon." leave some wondering what they meant by these statements. Some say that the moment BTC Futures came online, the market just started tanking, and never really stopped. The double, or is it triple dip that happened here in mid Sept seemed odd to many. Commentators claimed that "unusual market activity" occurred just before it tanked. Many chalked it up to a decision by Goldman Sachs but do their choices really matter THAT much to average traders? Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 

To me they choice matter to average traders because when we are talking about manipulations we are saying something that happened that we don't know but has infect on the pricing.  I strongly believe that great manipulations are going on in cryptocurrencies market and the whales and institutionals investors makes they money through manipulating of the cryptocurrencies market!  This is not limited to cryptocurrency markets but to all our traditional market such as forex, Stocks and commodities.  If you did not know how to play along , you will lose and it is good you have this in mind, before venture into cryptocurrencies trading.

[iv4n]

I think it is really difficult to manipulate the market but it is not impossible, a trader or group of traders need a large amount of capital to make it real and it could be true to just a certain token or coins if they are able to get the majority of it's supply at the market so they could set the price and manipulate the market.

They can do that, as crypto market still unknown or anonymous we can't tell if there's already billionaires who also playing inside, this manipulation as mentioned needs to be done by a large capital, it is not impossible for wealthy businessman to look around and see the potentials as they always looking
for advantages that they can take to make more profits.

And how many people think that all the banks are one big scam? But still most of us still use their services. Every market is vulnerable to many sorts of manipulations, the ones who cry about this manipulations are the one who don't know how to use then and earn from them. If you ask me entire system is one big manipulation, life isn't same for the king and slave.
Today everything is or can be an object of manipulation. Believe it or not, crypto market isn't different. Some group of whales can manipulate with supply, rich people can manipulate with demand, news can manipulate with masses, every market suffer from their ideas sometimes.

[Slowhand26]

Back in 2017 it was published that certain powers will crack down on cryptocurrency in 2018. Comments by institutional representatives like "oh there just kids playing in the sand box. They'll lose interest soon." leave some wondering what they meant by these statements. Some say that the moment BTC Futures came online, the market just started tanking, and never really stopped. The double, or is it triple dip that happened here in mid Sept seemed odd to many. Commentators claimed that "unusual market activity" occurred just before it tanked. Many chalked it up to a decision by Goldman Sachs but do their choices really matter THAT much to average traders? Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 

For me Crypto market is being ran by certain "whales" which is somehow uncontrollable unlike the traditional stock market

[Aivaryamal]

The market is being manipulated now to bring out small investors and those who are worried about their investments to buy cryptocurrencies at low prices

[sinkfish]

sure there is manipulation. that's why the market will bull and bear. it wont move if someone not making any move.

[enhu]

when money is involve there is always manipulation, its coordinated and institutions with huge funds who are aiming to control the market are behind it but of course they are also in a constant battle after all its about manipulating to their own advantage. Obviously those who got massive amount of BTC due to last year's pump won big. They may try once again but they'd have to wait for another entrants to play around in the new market.

[Madara_Uchiha]

I think the market is being manipulated but not 100% controlled. If any coin has risen sharply in price, and then fell sharply, it is definitely manipulation. Also, if the coin reacts to the news not as expected from it, it can also be manipulation.

[Panxora_COO]

Market manipulation is absolutely endemic and not limited to crypto. Have a look at the bank run dark pools in the conventional stock markets which takes billions in value out of markets while providing no perceptable benefit. (And I DO NOT buy the liquidity argument) Big picture, I think there is less manipulation in crypto than conventional markets because the professionals are not bothering with it because the markets are too small, beneathe their notice.
It's the world we live in unfortunately.

[jcpone]

Cryptocurrency market is somehow manipulated especially with a decentralized system. I agree that some of these whales are the early bitcoin holders and some whales are the bigtime individuals and companies. This market really involves a lot of money. Now, can regulation minimize manipulation?

[Kolder]

Cryptocurrency market is somehow manipulated especially with a decentralized system. I agree that some of these whales are the early bitcoin holders and some whales are the bigtime individuals and companies. This market really involves a lot of money. Now, can regulation minimize manipulation?

It can if those whales were strong enough to state all their liabilities , but still hard to do since its decentralised and controlling crypto aren't that suitable in coins uses.