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September 16, 2018, 12:14:27 PM
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Also, if you have any interest or questions regarding bitcoin, you can go to Technical support or technical discussion boards.

Yes, those are 2 of the few remaining boards that haven't yet been infested by spammers. But the whole forum should be like that. Interesting topics, people discussing back and forth rather than just firing out generic one liners, and free from spam.

With hundreds of new spammers joining daily, and theymos refusing to appoint new mods, it's only a matter of time before these boards fall too.

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September 16, 2018, 12:41:29 PM
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For this one month all we got was the OK and Not OK[/i] list.
Dang, I missed his response in that thread.  Theymos posts so infrequently that if you blink you can miss his posts, and it's not like they're unimportant.

A lot of the suggestions I've seen are fixes for relatively minor issues, but the major ones and the ones I wish he'd really consider have to do with the shitposting situation.  I agree with him that even small changes can have huge (and probably unintended/unexpected) effects, but things like adding more moderators ought to be a no-brainer.  Things like adding a merit requirement to rank up to Jr. Member would at least be a good experiment to see what happens, and it isn't like that kind of decision would have to be set in stone.  Hell, Theymos could do away with the merit system if he thought it wasn't working and there would be nothing any of us could do about it.  There would be no shame in doing so, either.

And yet it seems like most of the community suggestions aren't priority for him.  His priority is apparently starting up a youtube channel for whatever reason.  I don't actually think that's a horrible idea, but it just shows you how different he views the state of this forum.  There are a number of members here who would probably suggest that he try to fix some of the glaring issues with his limited time instead of doing the youtube thing.

The other thing I have a concern with is his reluctance to delegate any of the major responsibilities, account recovery being one of the obvious ones.  Vod has suggested at least once that there could be volunteers for that job, but as far as I know that suggestion fell upon deaf ears (or I could have missed the reply).  In any case, there are certainly people here willing to help with things and I don't think they're trying to usurp Theymos's power here.

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September 16, 2018, 01:27:49 PM
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A lot of the suggestions I've seen are fixes for relatively minor issues, but the major ones and the ones I wish he'd really consider have to do with the shitposting situation.  I agree with him that even small changes can have huge (and probably unintended/unexpected) effects, but things like adding more moderators ought to be a no-brainer.  Things like adding a merit requirement to rank up to Jr. Member would at least be a good experiment to see what happens, and it isn't like that kind of decision would have to be set in stone.  Hell, Theymos could do away with the merit system if he thought it wasn't working and there would be nothing any of us could do about it.  There would be no shame in doing so, either.

Removing signatures from Newbies/Juniors is essential in my opinion. It effects their ability to post here zero, just earn, but someone who can't speak English very well and has little to no interest or understanding of bitcoin shouldn't be able to get paid to post here and it's crazy that they can. Requiring users to get ten merit and become a Member can be some sort of aptitude test for them and once they pass it by getting the merit then they can start earning via posting. Newbies and Juniors barely have a signature anyway so it's not a huge issue to remove it completely anyway.

And yet it seems like most of the community suggestions aren't priority for him.  His priority is apparently starting up a youtube channel for whatever reason.  I don't actually think that's a horrible idea, but it just shows you how different he views the state of this forum.  There are a number of members here who would probably suggest that he try to fix some of the glaring issues with his limited time instead of doing the youtube thing.

A youtube channel should be very low down on the list of priorities right now, especially if it's going to consume more of his free time which is already obviously limited. If he's going to delegate this to someone else then fair enough, but then there are also a lot of other things that can be delegated that you and I have mentioned numerous times before.

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September 16, 2018, 03:29:58 PM
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- Is there anything the community can do to help you with the current forum situation?? /Except the reporting/
Bend over.  Grin jk or... not.

- Is there anything the community can do to help you with the current forum situation?? /Except the reporting/
So long as he has trust issues, not really.

- Will you choose new moderators /add more patrollers??
Lol. No. Its Slim Shady theymos. He'll disappear for a while and come back,and cause some immense panic amongst shitposters.

- Shall we continue reporting?? Hilariousetc doesn't see much of impact of the reports, mostly waste of time. Even if we ban them but they keep coming back.
Here's the thing with reporting, hardly people report, and even if they do, they give up. I know for a fact that most of them do, so did I(after 100 reports). There is more spam than reports. For every 1 report, its safe to assume that 10 shitposts are made if not more.   

- Can we start taking one by one the suggestions marked as OK, maybe one in a month for the easy ones and one in two-tree months for the other that takes more time.
And how would you implement those suggestions without theymos's right(or left) hand?


- Can you share one or two hours per month to have a conversation with the community on the current issues??
It can be motivational for the both sides.
Conversation won't do much or you know anything. While he can give reasons why an issue can/cannot be solved, action needs to be taken. I know that action is sometimes taken, but its always too late or never.

- Can we have a dedicated board for discussions with reading restriction for people with low rank and low report score???
Please don't. Its unnecessary.
Everywhere who cares about the forum, comes and says that theymos doesn't do this or that: Just imagine for an admin, who's given an unasked responsibility , who hardly has time, has trust issues for various reasons,and other things comes to his forum to read what's going on and all he sees is: theymos said this or that,and on top of that complaining about it, its just too much handle for one fucking person.

If theymos needed our help, he'd have asked. In fact he did ask,right before the merit system was implemented. He is open to suggestions, but not to those that restrict users in any kind.

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September 16, 2018, 04:02:28 PM
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Everywhere who cares about the forum, comes and says that theymos doesn't do this or that: Just imagine for an admin, who's given an unasked responsibility , who hardly has time, has trust issues for various reasons,and other things comes to his forum to read what's going on and all he sees is: theymos said this or that,and on top of that complaining about it, its just too much handle for one fucking person.
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Sorry, iasenko - you've done some excellent work here and I appreciate your motivation to, "be the change you wish to see in the world," to use a tired old cliche, but I have to agree with pugman on this. Any change that requires more time from theymos is likely not going to fly. Any change that reduces forum traffic also seems unlikely to pass muster, even though I mostly agree with hilariousandco/etc's suggestion to do away with signatures for newbies and Jr members (I'd merely get rid of sigs for newbies and allow Jr.'s to have what is currently allowed for newbies - something like 50 characters of unformatted text or whatever it is).

That said, I like reporting shitposts, spam and plagiarism, even though my 220+ reports and counting are metaphorically equivalent to trying to put out a raging inferno with a garden hose. I think many of us who report posts do it for the therapeutic value, and not just for the good of the forum (and that, btw, is the key to making effective incentive structures...).




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September 16, 2018, 05:50:01 PM
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I'm not doing all this to annoy theymos. I know everything takes time but as i said in my previous tread about the issue with the forum, we can start with those solutions that take almost no effort to implement.

For moderators/patrollers the trust issues is almost nonexistent. Those positions are with limited rights, and if they don't do their job as they should be, the community is here to help, many people investigate the staff's attitude anyway.

I have more than 1800 successful reports /besides the lists with abusers I do/ but this does not change the current situation, a simple example are the hompgraphs.
I got many of the accounts banned but they just coming back every day. LoyceV know well the situation and can confirm it too.

All those abusers are checking frequently the Meta for blockers and are finding solutions really quickly. So the plans and strategies to fitght them have to be discussed on a place not acceptable by them.

I think taking one month to find a moderator for one section should be a acceptable time for theymos. That's why I suggested to have some timeframe to do the small effort tasks. Just to keep something happing.

Don't won't to push anyone,  just to have some systematic approach to the problems and focus one one-by-one solutions, so we can have actual results at the end.

That's all.


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September 17, 2018, 06:02:12 AM
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I'm locking this thread as theymos already implemented some big changes here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030366.0

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