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September 16, 2018, 12:36:47 AM
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It's been one month since hilariousetc collected the Community generated suggestions to improve the forum.

For this one month all we got was the OK and Not OK[/i] list.

A few direct questions:
- Is there anything the community can do to help you with the current forum situation?? /Except the reporting/

- Will you choose new moderators /add more patrollers??

- Shall we continue reporting?? Hilariousetc doesn't see much of impact of the reports, mostly waste of time. Even if we ban them but they keep coming back.

- Can we start taking one by one the suggestions marked as OK, maybe one in a month for the easy ones and one in two-tree months for the other that takes more time.

- Can you share one or two hours per month to have a conversation with the community on the current issues??
It can be motivational for the both sides.
Don't take it as a report from your side, no. It's your forum, your rules, but the valuable part of the people here need some interaction with you.
Just one,two hours per month. That's it.

- Can we have a dedicated board for discussions with reading restriction for people with low rank and low report score???

I know you probably already hate me for my whining about it, but someone has to push the things to go forward,  and I see no one else doing it /some try tho/.
It's a heavy load you have on your shoulders, let the community help you with it, that's why is a community.

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September 16, 2018, 02:18:22 AM
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- Is there anything the community can do to help you with the current forum situation?? /Except the reporting/

Personally, I think the current forum situation is very good.
Bitcointalk.org is one of the most accessed websites in the world. Look here

https://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.org

It's 3300 top website in the world.

If anyone ask anything crypto related, he will be answered almost instantaneously, thanks to signature campaigns and many active members like moderators and devs.
A lot of very knowledgeable people are in good campaigns like chipmixer and they need to post something useful, so we always have good answers and new topics.

Forum is already being monetized and theymos seems to be satisfied with the returns.

I think this spam asylum in economics, announcements, altcoins etc boards are not a so big problem.
If you remove spammers and spam boards, forum traffic will be much smaller.

So, I think forun is going very well. Drastic adjustments may change that.


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- Shall we continue reporting?? Hilariousetc doesn't see much of impact of the reports, mostly waste of time. Even if we ban them but they keep coming back.


I believe he wants more reports, as he will be making badges for them soon.
I really wanted some direction here anyway. I don't know what he wants to be reported.

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- Can we have a dedicated board for discussions with reading restriction for people with low rank and low report score???

I believe writing restrictions are better than reading restrictions

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September 16, 2018, 02:25:08 AM
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It's been one month since hilariousetc collected the Community generated suggestions to improve the forum.

For this one month all we got was the OK and Not OK[/i] list.

A few direct questions:
- Is there anything the community can do to help you with the current forum situation?? /Except the reporting/

- Will you choose new moderators /add more patrollers??

- Shall we continue reporting?? Hilariousetc doesn't see much of impact of the reports, mostly waste of time. Even if we ban them but they keep coming back.

- Can we start taking one by one the suggestions marked as OK, maybe one in a month for the easy ones and one in two-tree months for the other that takes more time.

- Can you share one or two hours per month to have a conversation with the community on the current issues??
It can be motivational for the both sides.
Don't take it as a report from your side, no. It's your forum, your rules, but the valuable part of the people here need some interaction with you.
Just one,two hours per month. That's it.

- Can we have a dedicated board for discussions with reading restriction for people with low rank and low report score???

I know you probably already hate me for my whining about it, but someone has to push the things to go forward,  and I see no one else doing it /some try tho/.
It's a heavy load you have on your shoulders, let the community help you with it, that's why is a community.

How is this thread in any way going to help theymos... just mind your own, let him do his thing, and stop wasting your life trying to help when in reality you're making his life worse.
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September 16, 2018, 03:42:26 AM
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I believe writing restrictions are better than reading restrictions

Agree.
As someone with low ranks, it's beneficial for me to read thoughts and ideas of those in higher ranks and I don't mind having dedicated board exclusive for them to comment but please make it still accessible for us where we in lower rank can still read it.

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September 16, 2018, 04:11:57 AM
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How is this thread in any way going to help theymos... just mind your own, let him do his thing, and stop wasting your life trying to help when in reality you're making his life worse.
This thread might not help theymos to solve the problems of our forum quickly but if you read and understand the content of this thread clearly, you'll found out that the thread is created to somehow offer theymos the help of this Forum's community. Anyway, how if you're the one who should just mind your own business, its not your time that will be wasted trying to help the forum so please don't act like you're concerned.

Also, please don't quote the whole thread next time.

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September 16, 2018, 05:14:06 AM
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It would be cool to have something on the line of a newsletter or at least some status update once a month, to have an idea about what is happening, what is being worked on at the moment, issues and ideas. In general anything that is worth to know for the community.
That would be quite a good starting point to address the community for something like iasenko is proposing
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September 16, 2018, 05:20:24 AM
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I think theymos should continue to roll things out at the pace he feels comfortable and not be pressured by community members to make changes. I also think his time is likely better spent elsewhere then doing a newsletter.

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September 16, 2018, 05:58:08 AM
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- Can we have a dedicated board for discussions with reading restriction for people with low rank and low report score???


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Why would people with low rank be restricted from joining a forum discussion?
Not everyone was privileged to join early on, that doesn't make you more crypto savvy.



- Can we have a dedicated board for discussions with reading restriction for people with low rank and low report score???

I believe writing restrictions are better than reading restrictions
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I think there should be heavy moderation to delete nonsense post from people of lower rank, as well AS PEOPLE FROM HIGHER RANK.
That would keep the thread clean.
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September 16, 2018, 06:14:47 AM
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I think theymos should continue to roll things out at the pace he feels comfortable and not be pressured by community members to make changes. I also think his time is likely better spent elsewhere then doing a newsletter.

I think that any changes have to be considered quite carefully. In my perception, there are a couple of things that could be done immediately, but I don't have an informed overview of the boards, and I don't know the secondary objectives of the forum. The multi-account spamming and bot signups don't seem to have any perceived advantages, but they do create massive amounts of traffic, and also discussions in Meta. I think this is probably of low value, and the unused ad spots would seem to confirm this.

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I think theymos should continue to roll things out at the pace he feels comfortable and not be pressured by community members to make changes. I also think his time is likely better spent elsewhere then doing a newsletter.

Of course, theymos should make decisions based on his own considerations, but I think his goal was to create a communicative fellowship capable of offering and arguing new ideas related to improving the situation on the forum. And it seems to me that theymos succeeded, since a huge number of different proposals in the Meta branch from the side of the participants are proved by the fact that this forum has a large number of not indifferent users ready not only to offer qualitative changes but also to participate in their implementation.

I don`t think that bitcointalk members are pressuring theymos by generating new ideas. On the contrary, they are all eager to help him make the forum even better. In addition, theymos makes decisions as objectively as possible, analyzing the situation "from above," while user suggestions are based on an analysis of the situation "from within", because users are directly identified in the community, they see the forum problems from all sides, they better know and understand them. Theymos should be glad and proud that the forum has become a place where people want to come, where they want to communicate and share their thoughts. And users want not only to preserve these dignities, but also to multiply them.
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September 16, 2018, 08:31:12 AM
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Maybe we should give the merit system more time, valuing and then adjusting it "add merit to Jr Member rank, min merit to post in some boards,...etc" to be perfect.
theymos presented the idea of merits on Dec. 18 and was implemented on Jan. 25, so a month was not too long to worry about it. Cool
In addition, he noted that any modification takes time.

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September 16, 2018, 08:50:41 AM
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- Can we have a dedicated board for discussions with reading restriction for people with low rank and low report score???
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Why would people with low rank be restricted from joining a forum discussion?
What iasenko means, is a thread to discuss spam, like [CLUB]The SpamBuster!4 Cases open,over 3000 accounts, Reviewed:5000+ [11.09]. It's better if spammers can't read what's being done to fight them. Bump bots are a big business that earns thousands of dollars per week from spamming this forum.

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- Is there anything the community can do to help you with the current forum situation?? /Except the reporting/

Personally, I think the current forum situation is very good.

Are you on the same board that I am? Very good in what sense? That you can get paid for shitposting or copy and pasting over your 200 accounts? If so, they yes, it's very good. Great profit. Much spam. Tell all your friends.

Bitcointalk.org is one of the most accessed websites in the world. Look here

https://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.org

It's 3300 top website in the world.

Most accessed by shitposters.

If anyone ask anything crypto related, he will be answered almost instantaneously, thanks to signature campaigns and many active members like moderators and devs.

Yeah, they'll be answered almost immediately. Often by someone who has no idea what they're talking about. Then you'll get ten pages of responses saying the same thing reworded slightly or just plain wrong. Without signatures here you would still get the answer unbiased and not done so with the motive of profit.

I think this spam asylum in economics, announcements, altcoins etc boards are not a so big problem.
If you remove spammers and spam boards, forum traffic will be much smaller.

And what about every other board? It's practically impossible to have a meaningful conversation about anything in bitcoin discussion these days. All it is is farmers and sig spammers churning out their generic one liners over account after account thread after thread.

So, I think forun is going very well. Drastic adjustments may change that.

All you care about is protecting your little cash cow, because you are clearly blind to all the bullshit that is going on which is 99% of this forum, but hey, if you can keep getting paid then it's all good in the hood and we shouldn't do anything that might jeopardise that.  There doesn't need to be drastic changes like banning signatures but a compromise needs to be found because the spam and low quality content is out of hand.

I think theymos should continue to roll things out at the pace he feels comfortable and not be pressured by community members to make changes.

Theymos barely doing anything is why the forum has become so unfit for purpose. Should we just remain silent and not say anything whilst the forum continues to circle the drain in the process? Many mods are just giving up because they know it's futile trying to do anything. If theymos doesn't have time to do certain things (which he doesn't in his own words) then start delegating the workload otherwise more and more work keeps getting pilled up on him and the rest of staff. How difficult is it to add more staff or assign some dedicated sub board mods? Takes minutes of his time and it's one less thing to worry about and the forum benefits in the process. How difficult would it be to either make more admins or give certain staff access to restore accounts? That would solve the account backlog problem very quickly. The best stuff we get is things like the merit system but it's not enough and has made some things worse. There's not enough merit sources for a start and hundreds of great posts likely go unmerited and because there's no merit requirement to become a Junior that is forcing people to farm thousands of them and they're doing so with copy and paste bots and text spinners. Because there's no quality checks or punishments for badly run ICOs they pay them continually for this abuse. You can literally get paid a lot of money to have two hundred+ accounts copy and pasting someone else's content and in some cases even garbling it up in the process so it becomes even more unreadable. That shouldn't be allowed. The culture needs to change here and theymos ignores 99% of suggestions good or bad. The best we get from him is a 'maybe' then no explanations or follow ups to any questions.  People have been waiting a year to get their account back. Is that acceptable? No, it isn't. Things like removing signatures from Newbies and Juniors seemingly have the backing of the majority of the community and would put a stop to people being able to get paid for shitposts or copy and pastes straight away without them earning ten merit which is going to be very difficult for them and nigh on impossible for the worst of the worse of posters and bots. Punishing ICOs who pay for garbled spam and copy and pastes should also be implemented and the culture of spam would quickly change around here, but the best we get from theymos is still a 'maybe' then silence or no explanations for the 'no's' or 'not yets'.  Meanwhile, people are getting paid by the hundreds to farm accounts and there are multiple example of this that have been spotted the past week or so and they never get looked into:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5024955.msg45430341#msg45430341
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025001.msg45434800#msg45434800

I mean, what else can we do? Just wait and hope theymos has all the fixes up his sleeve? I get he's swamped and I certainly wouldn't like to be in his position but ignoring things doesn't make them better or go away and there are quite a few things that could be done in the meantime that make the forum a much better place to be and remove the stress and workload from him and other staff members as well.

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September 16, 2018, 10:13:02 AM
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...then start delegating the workload otherwise more and more work keeps getting pilled up on him and the rest of staff...
You don't remember? He has trust issues!

we all know the reality for theymos.

...the people you hire turn out not to be trustworthy...


Here are some reality of other famous people:
Mark Zuckerberg - Facebook
Larry Page and Sergey Brin - Google
Steve Jobs - Apple
Bill Gates - Microsoft



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How difficult is it to add more staff or assign some dedicated sub board mods?
From his admin panel....
Members > View The Memberlist > User the Search to find the member > Click on the member username > Click on account setting > Change the member group > Click Update!

This seems very difficult.  Grin

Again, if you forget - theymos has trust issues!

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How difficult would it be to either make more admins or give certain staff access to restore accounts?
Same answer - trust issues.
He is has concern about bringing new member by having a youTube channel but he has no concern about existing hacked accounts. I see every now and then people are begging for restoring their accounts but theymos has no response! Damn!!! Now I forgot that theymos has trust issues.

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People have been waiting a year to get their account back. Is that acceptable?
Well it's acceptable for him! Who are we?(!) I am a Sr. Member with two red tag, you are an alt of a global moderator, iasenko is a Sr. Member trying hard to keep the forum clean, pugman is a Legendary feed-up with having his points out to theymos. There are many more members who really has concern about the forum and willing to volunteer to improve the forum experience. Don't forget there are also some other members who has yes boss, yes boss attitude towards theymos coz he is the ADMIN!

Guess what - I read a newbie or Jr. Member once wrote - theymos do not give a dime about us. If I start to believe that guy then will you blame me?  


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I mean, what else can we do? Just wait and hope theymos has all the fixes up his sleeve?
Wait patiently until you die! Theymos is working on it! Damn!!!


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It's clear he doesn't want to make any of these changes because he likes the traffic that bounty spamming brings. The irony is that as all the real members get bored and leave, all that will be left is spammers spamming other spammers. There's no profit in that, so the campaigns will stop paying for it and then the traffic will really fall.

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It's clear he doesn't want to make any of these changes because he likes the traffic that bounty spamming brings. The irony is that as all the real members get bored and leave, all that will be left is spammers spamming other spammers. There's no profit in that, so the campaigns will stop paying for it and then the traffic will really fall.
I don't agree that there's no profit in that case... Campaigns won't stop, because the forum would still be the first among others, because of the high traffic. I think there will always be some (or a lot) newcomers who would fall for the advertised ICOs and would invest in some shady ones, because they expect quick bucks without hard work and without their own research... You can't protect these people from themselves... there will always be people like this, you can't help it.
But I agree that when that time will come, there will only be scammers and spammers here, but I hope it won't ever happen...

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...then start delegating the workload otherwise more and more work keeps getting pilled up on him and the rest of staff...
You don't remember? He has trust issues!

Who is he Drake?



we all know the reality for theymos.

...the people you hire turn out not to be trustworthy...


Wasn't he talking about the people he hired to for the new forum software development or hiring someone else to run the forum? I can understand that, but if he doesn't trust existing staff members with certain things here then I'm not sure what we're doing on staff in the first place. How many of us are going to jeopardise our position here and for what? The longer we don't trust others with certain things the board continues to go down the toilet and if theymos isn't going to be doing certain things then somebody needs to be doing them.

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It's clear he doesn't want to make any of these changes because he likes the traffic that bounty spamming brings. The irony is that as all the real members get bored and leave, all that will be left is spammers spamming other spammers. There's no profit in that, so the campaigns will stop paying for it and then the traffic will really fall.

You can make changes here without effecting the traffic at all, but there needs to be some compromise. Removing signatures from lower ranks doesn't effect anybody's ability to post here and they can still collect bounties, they just can't earn from posting until they've got ten merit. That's a small price to pay and if you can't earn ten merit then you probably don't deserve to earn from posting here in the first place.  

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September 16, 2018, 11:34:11 AM
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- Is there anything the community can do to help you with the current forum situation?? /Except the reporting/

Personally, I think the current forum situation is very good.

Are you on the same board that I am? Very good in what sense? That you can get paid for shitposting or copy and pasting over your 200 accounts? If so, they yes, it's very good. Great profit. Much spam. Tell all your friends.

Bitcointalk.org is one of the most accessed websites in the world. Look here

https://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.org

It's 3300 top website in the world.

Most accessed by shitposters.

Hilarious sec.

If you read what I wrote, you would have understood in what sense the forum is good.

Also, if you have any interest or questions regarding bitcoin, you can go to Technical support or technical discussion boards. Go there and ask something like how to recover a wallet, how to choose a wallet, whatever, which are very legit questions that get quickly answered everyday. And they are answered very well in most cases.please look for a question made this week that was not satisfied answered and post the thread here.

I just made a topic there that was answered by gmaxwell. I had other legit questions that were quickly answered by nullius and other great supporting members.

Maybe you know everything, but this forum helps a lot of people, and helped me a lot already, before I even created an account.


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September 16, 2018, 11:57:34 AM
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If you read what I wrote, you would have understood in what sense the forum is good.

I did read what you wrote. I don't think you read what I did. Nobody cares about traffic when it's full of rubbish. Theymos himself has said he cares little about forum income and has even thought about getting rid of the ad slot, so what good is traffic here? What good is a forum where 99% of it is utter drivel? This board is no longer a place to discuss bitcoin. It's a forum to earn from posting and most people post pure crap. I wouldn't have a problem if people only got paid for great posts but that's not what happens. Signatures have ruined this forum and it would be better off without them and without them people would still be able to get answers to their questions so don't act like signatures are some great thing that are the only thing keeping the board alive because they're not. We could come to some sort of compromise if theymos was willing to do something like removing signatures from lower ranks and punishing ICO campaigns for the spam but when is that going to happen?

Also, if you have any interest or questions regarding bitcoin, you can go to Technical support or technical discussion boards. Go there and ask something like how to recover a wallet, how to choose a wallet, whatever, which are very legit questions that get quickly answered everyday.

Whoop-dee-doo. All this info can be found by googling. What about all this drivel that is everywhere else:







That's what traffic and content signature campaigns bring you when you allow anyone to do whatever they want. Just farmers posting generic nonsense that is being 'text-spun' over multiple accounts.



Maybe you know everything, but this forum helps a lot of people, and helped me a lot already, before I even created an account.



I don't pretend to know everything, and all I can offer is my opinion, but I don't think pretending everything is A-OK isn't the way to go. That's just ignoring the problems we have whilst keeping our heads in the sand.

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You don't remember? He has trust issues!
Who is he Drake?
Poor Drake  Grin

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Wasn't he talking about the people he hired to for the new forum software development or hiring someone else to run the forum? I can understand that, but if he doesn't trust existing staff members with certain things here then I'm not sure what we're doing on staff in the first place. How many of us are going to jeopardise our position here and for what? The longer we don't trust others with certain things the board continues to go down the toilet and if theymos isn't going to be doing certain things then somebody needs to be doing them.

It's clear that the forum needs more stuffs perhaps more admins or demi-admins, the forum needs attentions to recover accounts, the forum needs attention for account security(i.e: password recovery, account locking from secret question etc), the forum needs attention stopping spam bots, the forum needs more merit sources, the forum needs to do something for the genuine newbies who are coming here to embrace their crypto experience, the forum needs sub boards, the forum needs few additional features (i.e: stopping multiple report for one single post) etc etc.

Talking about developer team? How it's possible not to have an in-house IT team for a forum which has over 300K active users? Theymos always says money is not issue by the way.

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so what good is traffic here?
This forum has a lot more to offer for the cryptospace. It has served the community very well so far and I hope it will keep serving the same. Or Roger Ver and Bitcoin.com will keep leveraging the brand image of Bitcoin. Blockchain technology, Bitcoin still has a long way to go and it needs this forum (the community).

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