How NEWBIES are treated

[criz2fer]

I do not think it as anyone's job to take the responsibility to tell newbies what is a right and what is a wrong post. No one told me when I was a newbie, no one is telling me now. How could most of high ranking members know anyway? They got their ranks without the necessity of merits. They are not wise, they are just here longer.

Another butt hurted Member, its all in the responsiblility of the members to follow the rules. It is as simple as the, High rankers duty is to report anyone who break the rules and scam other members. Just move on with your life, you dont even know the issues.

[xtraelv]

Being a newbie is almost like a bad penny these days, it is easy to get scorned (rightly so sometimes), I hope we do not get too 'unwelcoming' and demoralize newbies with too much criticism. Many newbies are battling with basics, so once in a while, it helps to be patient with them and make some corrections on how posts can be better.It tedious on the part of higher ranks but it is for the greater good.

When I see a genuine newbie struggling I usually send them a PM and help them understand some of the etiquette of bitcointalk.

As tmfp surmised it very effectively about the moderation and trust systems:

There's no need for this to be a complete explanation of everything on the forum.

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It seems to be a source of (understandable) confusion amongst new members that there are, in fact, two regulatory bodies on BCT.

One lot has rules it doesn't apply and the other lot applies rules it doesn't have; can be a bit of a head fuck for them.

Sometimes a kind PM to a newbie helps them understand the rules and etiquette without feeling picked on. There are far too many spambies to do that to individually so I only do that for those that show they are genuinely interested in participating in conversation.

[MainIbem]

Newbies are conscious of activity count when posting, and not merit until now that merit is introduced for ranking up. The updated rule is a wake up call for them to look intently at what they are contributing to the forum. It is like back to school.

[Safah]

I think not all beginners make posts that end with spam, some of them contribute to the progress of the forum by making quality posts but not getting rewards from what they do must be fixed. seniors do not have to say cruelly to reprimand those who are wrong but say what is right.

[Crypto Girl]

I think not all beginners make posts that end with spam, some of them contribute to the progress of the forum by making quality posts but not getting rewards from what they do must be fixed. seniors do not have to say cruelly to reprimand those who are wrong but say what is right.

It's absolutely depend on people on how they will and should react in criticism, some will take it as a challenge and some are being a butt hurt. Yes, it's somehow degrading and you'll pity yourself and that's fine, better yet pick up yourself and motivate and look up those people on how they create a meaningful and helpful posts. If you just live by pity you'll be miserable, nobody will help you anyway.
To avoid getting your post buried in spam then don't post on nonsense topic, find a thread that spammers don't know how to create a reply and of course, don't post on megathreads.

[darklus123]

I am not posting this to gain merit or to pamper those newbies but ever since this Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements or this updated Merit & new rank requirements came out, these people started to cry, shout out for justice or starting creating post to take consideration with the changes.

Then what is your posting all about?

Now, here is what I observed. Those newbies with or without hundred activities are treated as shit posters now or an eye soar when they are creating a suggestion thread related to or like how to gain merits.

Because that is the fact 99% of newbies are not here just to learn. Most of them are here to just earn easy bucks that is it.

Those comments I am seeing from higher ranks sounds discriminating. I respect how you react with those post but try to think before you react negatively. Try advising them what's wrong with their post and help them to improve. Don't look down on those post created by newbies and stop thinking that they are only creating this thread to gain merit to rank up.

There are alot already who were trying to help them but since they show no interest all the efforts are just useless. I will mention's jetcash effort for instance.

Yes, your rank is higher and you might be too knowledgeable but why don't you act base on your rank? I mean, act in a professional way and give them a proper advise instead of discriminating their post.  

Because telling them the truth is much  better way so they could understand what is going on because no matter what you say  if they don't realize the importance of making such posts they will never do it.

[YOSHIE]

Yes, your rank is higher and you might be too knowledgeable but why don't you act base on your rank? I mean, act in a professional way and give them a proper advise instead of discriminating their post.  

Speaking of Newbies, we all realize that coming from there with various challenges?
For example:
Where is there $ 10 dollars if there is no $ 1 dollar,
The bottom line:
To be the best Newbie, of course, many conditions must be met.
But in this Forum.
For those of you who are new, ask yourself if you understand how to do the best, what causes us to be newbies to be unprofessional, and the most important thing is of course understanding in the Forum and posting itself.

"so that means if you have knowledge about crypto, bitcoin, problems, procedures etc., you can say that you are the person who has the best part of the Bitcointalk Forum, (professional Newbie) according to the post insights you have."

"Well, I will not discuss too much about the meaning of the Newbie itself, for a professional or not profesional Newbie itself you can read it in the Meta Topic Forum or about Crypto, Bitcoin in print and news."

[bungutko]

I understand the sentiment of the OP with regards to newbies treated in the forum where I believe that everybody is entitled to their opinion. In the event that the situation is something that could offend in some way to the other, what is more important is that just continue to do the right thing and improve your posts and accept open minded on the comment from the other members. Just treat it as a constructive criticism even how harsh it is and try to improve further so that you could reach the goal you are aiming for.

[Little Mouse]

I can't agree with you. For your info, I'm also a newbie and somehow I got 2 merit. Doesn't it prove that newbies are treated in a proper way.
Newbies are treated in such way (as you mentioned) only if he/she is merit beggar, you can easily find out who is here for merit or real interest. What you have to do is only check newbie's post history before +1 merit a post.

[hilariousetc]

Now, here is what I observed. Those newbies with or without hundred activities are treated as shit posters now or an eye soar when they are creating a suggestion thread related to or like how to gain merits. Those comments I am seeing from higher ranks sounds discriminating. I respect how you react with those post but try to think before you react negatively. Try advising them what's wrong with their post and help them to improve. Don't look down on those post created by newbies and stop thinking that they are only creating this thread to gain merit to rank up.

Yes, your rank is higher and you might be too knowledgeable but why don't you act base on your rank? I mean, act in a professional way and give them a proper advise instead of discriminating their post.  

Newbies aren't a race of people anybody is discriminating against. It's shitposters who people have a problem with regardless or rank, and you can be a shitposter with a Hero account, it's just a sad fact that the majority of spammers obviously happen to be Newbies or lower ranked members and this was just getting worse and worse as more and more people were coming to this forum just to earn by posting. When you know little to nothing about bitcoin and can't speak English very well then that is just a recipe for disaster and it's those users people are annoyed with because they've made the forum a spam-fest almost unfit for purpose, and that's not just because they're a Newbie. Nobody merely cares about that. If Newbies were coming here and making great posts then there would be no issue, but the matter of the fact is most them aren't. Now with the merit system any decent poster will quickly rise though the ranks, but if you're still a Newbie hundreds if not thousands of posts later then the issue lies with the quality of their content.

[mazdafunsun]

I am not posting this to gain merit or to pamper those newbies but ever since this Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements or this updated Merit & new rank requirements came out, these people started to cry, shout out for justice or starting creating post to take consideration with the changes.

Most of them are fully aware that merits require effort, higher rank members look at their meta posts as eye soar rightfully because most of them are .
Any one with some intelegence would read the meta sections and would understand how the system works and will get a ton of examples of merited Newbie posts, thus in general i dont think that your thread has value.

Also i want to add that most of higher rank members would love to see good posts from Newbies to merit . They are extremly hard to find.