How NEWBIES are treated

[DarkBullet]

I am not posting this to gain merit or to pamper those newbies but ever since this Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements or this updated Merit & new rank requirements came out, these people started to cry, shout out for justice or starting creating post to take consideration with the changes.

Now, here is what I observed. Those newbies with or without hundred activities are treated as shit posters now or an eye soar when they are creating a suggestion thread related to or like how to gain merits. Those comments I am seeing from higher ranks sounds discriminating. I respect how you react with those post but try to think before you react negatively. Try advising them what's wrong with their post and help them to improve. Don't look down on those post created by newbies and stop thinking that they are only creating this thread to gain merit to rank up.

Yes, your rank is higher and you might be too knowledgeable but why don't you act base on your rank? I mean, act in a professional way and give them a proper advise instead of discriminating their post.  

[xtraelv]

I am not posting this to gain merit or to pamper those newbies but ever since this Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements or this updated Merit & new rank requirements came out, these people started to cry, shout out for justice or starting creating post to take consideration with the changes.

Now, here is what I observed. Those newbies with or without hundred activities are treated as shit posters now or an eye soar when they are creating a suggestion thread related to or like how to gain merits. Those comments I am seeing from higher ranks sounds discriminating. I respect how you react with those post but try to think before you react negatively. Try advising them what's wrong with their post and help them to improve. Don't look down on those post created by newbies and stop thinking that they are only creating this thread to gain merit to rank up.

Yes, your rank is higher and you might be too knowledgeable but why don't you act base on your rank? I mean, act in a professional way and give them a proper advise instead of discriminating their post. 

Some people just shouldn't be on here.  If they post continuous spam and haven't bothered to read the rules then they don't deserve anybodies time.

If someone came to your house with dirty shoes (ignoring the please take off your shoes sign)  turned on the TV loudly, wrote on your furniture, slowed down your internet by downloading constantly, invited their friends over and ate from your fridge empty and was there purely for the "free food and drink". Would you tell them what they were doing wrong or tell them to go away in a less than polite way ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=search

Any question they have they can search on the forum. Instead a lot of people are too lazy and start a new thread. Some people have started more topics in one month than I have in two years.

[bitmover]

First of all, this is not a matter of action professional. Higher ranks do not work here, neither do newbies.

Those newbies you are defending are Mostly bots. They just write "good project" or useless posts all the time, just to make one more post for a campaign. They have zero contribution yo the forum and no respect for rules.

And some of those users have dozens or even hundreds of accounts.

[markiz73]

I saw on sale hundreds of accounts from 1 seller of the rank of a member and full member.
Then it is necessary to deprive the signature of all the ranks below the Sr.member.
Some bounties of the company require 10 posts a week, some 20, and some 50.
Can be imposed a ban and set a maximum number of posts for all the bounty companies. For example, not more than 10 per week.

You say that it's bad when a person gets it and gives nothing in return. I agree with you. But on enthusiasm, too, will not last long.
Therefore, there must be a balance.

[JetAid]

I am the third alt of Jet Cash, and all of us managed to get a few merits within the first 20 posts. I am the only alt that admitted my parentage at the time of birth.

In the Bitcoin Talk forum, it isn't who you know, or what your rank is that earns the merits, it's what you say, and how you behave. That is how it is, and how it should be. However, if you know and associate with cheats, then you can obtain merits that are contrary to the forum policy. The problem with those merits is that they are often noticed, and if so, then they will affect your reputation, and possibly your earning potential.

[vallydelly]

I saw on sale hundreds of accounts from 1 seller of the rank of a member and full member.
Then it is necessary to deprive the signature of all the ranks below the Sr.member.
Some bounties of the company require 10 posts a week, some 20, and some 50.
Can be imposed a ban and set a maximum number of posts for all the bounty companies. For example, not more than 10 per week.

You say that it's bad when a person gets it and gives nothing in return. I agree with you. But on enthusiasm, too, will not last long.
Therefore, there must be a balance.

You made a valid point, I think it will be a good idea if the forum can set a maximum number of post an account can make in a week or two weeks, just like they did with activities, I believe implementing such a feature will make managers of bounty to limit the number of post they ask the bounty hunters to make per week. recently i came across a bounty to ask members to make 50 post per week and when you look at the spreadsheet, you will see a lot people participating, so imagine the kind of spam that would cause on the forum.

[Talk merit]

recently i came across a bounty to ask members to make 50 post per week and when you look at the spreadsheet, you will see a lot people participating, so imagine the kind of spam that would cause on the forum.

If mods delete the bad posts, then the spammers won't make their quotas, and they wont get paid. It a simple solutiion, and could lead to the emigration of the parasites.

[Bahokiki]

If mods delete the bad posts, then the spammers won't make their quotas, and they wont get paid. It a simple solutiion, and could lead to the emigration of the parasites.

This is better than the one implemented, maybe some mods are so lazy relying on the reports of the users, what if mods seek for bad posts and ask for a help from active high members to do delete bad posts

[LFC_Bitcoin]

**Enters Thread**

*Sees the same repetitive crap again**

**Leaves Thread**

[El duderino_]

i think as new guys, they just have to observe the threats for a while and join here and there where there talks/point of views are appreciated
 
but like in the wall observer are enough newbies with good posts getting merited all the time ...
offcourse the newbie's continuously starting threats to get price predictions or with always the same price talk/question making threats is getting little bit annoying
will the price dump will the price go up when 20k when 50k when ....
when i have Smerits i always send if i like the post or if it has good humor around the topic and merit new guys as well but my Smerits flying away like ice melts in the dessert......
its just not easy gaining Smerits to send.....

[achow101]

If mods delete the bad posts, then the spammers won't make their quotas, and they wont get paid. It a simple solutiion, and could lead to the emigration of the parasites.

This is better than the one implemented, maybe some mods are so lazy relying on the reports of the users, what if mods seek for bad posts and ask for a help from active high members to do delete bad posts

Most mods _do_ delete posts without relying on reports, but we still do rely on reports. However the quantity of posts that get made per minute is so high that it would be a more-than-full time job (i.e. probably 12-16 hours per day) to read every post and make a decision whether to delete them. The moderators do not have time for that. More moderators would be helpful, but we cannot rely on just the moderators. The community needs to help police itself, and people need to understand the rules.

[Danica22]

I saw on sale hundreds of accounts from 1 seller of the rank of a member and full member.
Then it is necessary to deprive the signature of all the ranks below the Sr.member.
Some bounties of the company require 10 posts a week, some 20, and some 50.
Can be imposed a ban and set a maximum number of posts for all the bounty companies. For example, not more than 10 per week.

You say that it's bad when a person gets it and gives nothing in return. I agree with you. But on enthusiasm, too, will not last long.
Therefore, there must be a balance.

You made a valid point, I think it will be a good idea if the forum can set a maximum number of post an account can make in a week or two weeks, just like they did with activities, I believe implementing such a feature will make managers of bounty to limit the number of post they ask the bounty hunters to make per week. recently i came across a bounty to ask members to make 50 post per week and when you look at the spreadsheet, you will see a lot people participating, so imagine the kind of spam that would cause on the forum.

You are correct buddy,the new merit requirement for jr.members has a lot of benefits.Thousands of jr.members are spamming all around the forum and it is because it is the most rank they can get and the minimum requirement to participant in bounties especifically in signatures which is why it is a good move for theymos.Such a relief to moderators and admins here who are fighting spams and shitposters this is another good step for the forum.

[crazymelons12]

I am the third alt of Jet Cash, and all of us managed to get a few merits within the first 20 posts. I am the only alt that admitted my parentage at the time of birth.

In the Bitcoin Talk forum, it isn't who you know, or what your rank is that earns the merits, it's what you say, and how you behave. That is how it is, and how it should be. However, if you know and associate with cheats, then you can obtain merits that are contrary to the forum policy. The problem with those merits is that they are often noticed, and if so, then they will affect your reputation, and possibly your earning potential.

Sir I think you are one of the most talented forum member here. considering that you have a newbie account with 8 merit is really something and it is an accomplishment. I have been participating since April for a signature campaign. And the campaign took about 6 months to finish if it will not be extended. It is my first signature campaign and I was so sad because my account was dropped to a newbie with the new system. I a bit sad and unhappy because I might not receive a thing from it even with all the hardwork I put in it.  Yet I understand why the new system is important for the entire forum.  And so Instead of going against or murmuring around, I consider everything as a positive change. Now I wanted to learn more techniques from you and on what really is to be done to get merits. I would really appreciate it if you can help me out. This is my first bounty and it is one the longest bounty as well that I have seen. These september 30 will be the end of the campaign and I hope I can still finished it as a junior member. Thank you in advance sir.

[bill gator]

It might be an interesting experiment if an "anonymous mode" were available or enacted (even temporarily) as an experiment to see how interactions change. This anonymous mode would hide username, trust, merit, activity, post-count and any link to the profile. I wonder if newbies would get treated more fairly or would be dismissed even sooner. In all honesty, members that have been here longer are generally held to a higher-standard to some degree. Whether they are expected to have an elementary understanding of Bitcoin or a more nuanced conceptualization of the rules it is still easier to be a newbie. As long as you are not doing anything malevolent, such as spamming, plagiarizing, scamming or breaking rules then Newbies are treated pretty well, IMO. The only thing they get a bad-rap for is occasionally trying to get involved in auctions or attempting to sell something, but the second they verify they have the funds/goods then they are treated equal. In other words, what I normally see is respect where it is earned, but cordiality at all times unless there has been a misdeed. I think the anonymous mode would work against the newbies, because most do allow you that learning curve.

That being said, too many people are drawn here for the wrong reasons and a lot of they time these users expect the entire forum to change to fit their personality and desires. You can only be so nice.

[nyn8920]

It's quite obvious, members of higher ranks look on newbies posts in a different way !! I been actively participating on the forum and never got a merit or comment related to my post !! That is true even if they can't give a credit for post those made by newbies, They could make a comment on how to improve the content of the post as they have higher experience !! That would be help other members to come out of this demoted-hell !! Most of the time I asked my self why no one care to reward me !!

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>Most of the time I asked my self why no one care to reward me !!

Now pretend for a moment that you are not you. Turn to your posting history and start looking through it, specially from the second most recent page of posts onwards. What do you see? Endless wall of social reporting for pages on end. Now being really objective, can you honestly say that what you are envisioning is constructive and may be deemed useful to anyone but you? 

[mr_smith99]

I saw on sale hundreds of accounts from 1 seller of the rank of a member and full member.
Then it is necessary to deprive the signature of all the ranks below the Sr.member.
Some bounties of the company require 10 posts a week, some 20, and some 50.
Can be imposed a ban and set a maximum number of posts for all the bounty companies. For example, not more than 10 per week.

You say that it's bad when a person gets it and gives nothing in return. I agree with you. But on enthusiasm, too, will not last long.
Therefore, there must be a balance.

I hope it will help reduce spam a little bit, but unfortunately for account farmers, 1 merit is not a big deal they always can buy it.

[o_e_l_e_o]

They could make a comment on how to improve the content of the post as they have higher experience

Stop abusing punctuation would be a good start.

[NavI_027]

these people started to cry, shout out for justice

What a big word . This Merit system and other strict rules of ranking up will not be implemented at all if the forum remains cleaner before. It will not be implemented if the Newbie Invasion never happened (not pertaining to all, only the bad ones). So don't act like mods and higher member ranks are the villains of the story because they're not. They are just tired of tolerating shitposters/spammers everyday that's why they made a very strict rule. If you find this offensive and rude then you still don't have any choice but to follow unless you now want get out of this forum.

Those comments I am seeing from higher ranks sounds discriminating. I respect how you react with those post but try to think before you react negatively.

Yeah! I get your point and I know what you feel because I experience the same thing sometimes. Some members here are unpleasant but you can't blame them because it's their personality, we don't have the right to please for becoming more nice if they don't really want to. Another factor is you did something wrong that's why their responses at you are in a mad manner, so always check your posts first before complaining.

Try advising them what's wrong with their post and help them to improve. Don't look down on those post created by newbies and stop thinking that they are only creating this thread to gain merit to rank up.

Believe it or not, that's what I always do especially to my newbie co-members in our local board. I only report those users who extremely did something inappropriate and violated the rules, not the ones who only committed minimal mistakes. However, you should also understamd that others just prefer nuking by hitting the "Report to Moderator" button because it's easier. Nonetheless, just be an obedient and good quality poster of this forum and you will not face any problem.

[pimkobai]

Yes,  I agree with OP as there are more high ranking members bullying newbies instead of helping them to improve further.  Assisting the newbies is a great way to let them enhance their knowledge and grow maturely.