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September 21, 2018, 11:11:04 AM
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Poverty will end only ,if all laziness,procrastination,ignorance and daydreaming ends.
Some people just want to work more and earn more.The distribution of wealth will take resources from them and give money to the lazy,ignorant people.Is this fair?
The people,who are extremely rich,due to breaking the law should be punished.This is the only justice I know.
This way of thinking needs to be changed because the poor reality is precisely the result of the wrong way of thinking like that. That's why it happens in the community that the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. Because the way of thinking of the poor which is mistaken continues to be left wrong, the condition gets worse; while the rich are way to think straight so that they get richer

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September 21, 2018, 11:16:26 AM
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The fact that we can completely eradicate poverty, if we want it, makes sense. Everyone must take care of his poor relative for example.

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September 22, 2018, 07:08:46 AM
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Poverty will end only ,if all laziness,procrastination,ignorance and daydreaming ends.
Some people just want to work more and earn more.The distribution of wealth will take resources from them and give money to the lazy,ignorant people.Is this fair?
The people,who are extremely rich,due to breaking the law should be punished.This is the only justice I know.
This way of thinking needs to be changed because the poor reality is precisely the result of the wrong way of thinking like that. That's why it happens in the community that the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. Because the way of thinking of the poor which is mistaken continues to be left wrong, the condition gets worse; while the rich are way to think straight so that they get richer
Believe me giving money to the poor is totally useless. Yes it can help them but it would be for short time period.
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September 22, 2018, 09:11:11 AM
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Poverty can be eradicated by employment. I am just disappointed when an university graduate they prefer to work for someone else in a company rather than making a small job that can least help someone who has less economy.

Allowances provided by the government or from the surrounding community will not give him a comfortable life, they won't be able to manage where the money will end. So as, even though we help them by just giving free money, it will make it useless.

Just two way to give the lives of poor people be better, one gives him a job and the second makes an education so that he can manage the money he has, for example he can innovate to make a job with the expertise they have, surely with strict supervision.
Well, we also have to understand that not everyone is cut out to be self-employed as that requires certain attribute which is the ability to take risk, persevere, be persistent and try hard to achieve your goals. Moreover, if everyone is creating jobs, who will be doing the work?

With respect to what the OP said, I really do not fancy the idea of giving people money nor food to eat. Like you said, you can create employment by building up their skills, and with that, over time, they can get to even start doing well for themselves without having to depend on anyone and that certainly makes the economy get better.

We all work to make ourselves get to where we are and those who are rich does not certainly have two heads than those who are not. Now, I am not in the area of trying to get to feed people every time, let them add to the economy by empowering them like someone rightly said. You'd be surprised at the number of values you will be creating to the world just with that alone. There are something’s that really would not make much impact to the society, and one of them is just giving people food to eat because they are poor.
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September 22, 2018, 09:37:41 AM
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Poverty will end only ,if all laziness,procrastination,ignorance and daydreaming ends.
Some people just want to work more and earn more.The distribution of wealth will take resources from them and give money to the lazy,ignorant people.Is this fair?
The people,who are extremely rich,due to breaking the law should be punished.This is the only justice I know.
This way of thinking needs to be changed because the poor reality is precisely the result of the wrong way of thinking like that. That's why it happens in the community that the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. Because the way of thinking of the poor which is mistaken continues to be left wrong, the condition gets worse; while the rich are way to think straight so that they get richer
You're right we eradicate poverty if we want all we have to do hire them for a good job. Nothing can be achieve without hard working better to give them a job.
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September 22, 2018, 10:02:23 AM
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Poverty can be eradicated by employment. I am just disappointed when an university graduate they prefer to work for someone else in a company rather than making a small job that can least help someone who has less economy.

Allowances provided by the government or from the surrounding community will not give him a comfortable life, they won't be able to manage where the money will end. So as, even though we help them by just giving free money, it will make it useless.

Just two way to give the lives of poor people be better, one gives him a job and the second makes an education so that he can manage the money he has, for example he can innovate to make a job with the expertise they have, surely with strict supervision.
Well, we also have to understand that not everyone is cut out to be self-employed as that requires certain attribute which is the ability to take risk, persevere, be persistent and try hard to achieve your goals. Moreover, if everyone is creating jobs, who will be doing the work?

But being self-employed doesn't mean you are doing nothing and living off your passive income, whatever that might be (like crypto long-term holding). Self-employed means that you are your own boss, but basically you do pretty much the same things, that is anything productive which adds value to the common good. And given the current level of automation, creating jobs is likely the best job in and of itself even if the jobs you create will be taken by robots only. So everyone creating jobs and robots doing the work is not actually a bad idea on its own.

With respect to what the OP said, I really do not fancy the idea of giving people money nor food to eat. Like you said, you can create employment by building up their skills, and with that, over time, they can get to even start doing well for themselves without having to depend on anyone and that certainly makes the economy get better.

Ultimately, I agree with your point and that point of others who say that giving money to the poor is totally useless. In fact, this is what I said myself in this very post, though in a somewhat less explicit way. However, I don't think it is always the case. If someone is smart but was born poor and needs money for their education, giving them money may be the right thing to do after all, provided it does't get wasted. Actually, this is what many governments do by providing stipends for promising and gifted kids.
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September 22, 2018, 10:46:47 AM
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Greed of a man is the biggest reason for the gap between rich and the poor.  A greedy man with little higher intelligence and his shrewdness tries to get more and more and in this process he even does not hesitate in theft; scamming; or other so many types of such activities making / snatching money from others on which he has no right.  Even poor people are exploited by cunning people. 
So if we give away some donation to poor it will not be the permanent resolution.  We must try to make them aware or their rights; and also educate them the ways how to earn sufficient money to live a respectful life satisfying the basic needs of the life. 
"Spirituality" spread by Spiritual leaders (Saints)  works very nicely in this type of problems.  Bad habits like greed disappear once the man connects with them.
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September 22, 2018, 01:05:17 PM
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in order to lose the difficulties, if people can help themselves, if there are governments that help fellow people from being sorrow, of course they also help themselves, you much to choice though, if you like you really go up to distresses. But people also do not want to, as everyone wants to be rich, but they do not resent themselves or find a good solution or find a way to become a rich man.
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September 22, 2018, 01:12:28 PM
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in order to lose the difficulties, if people can help themselves, if there are governments that help fellow people from being sorrow, of course they also help themselves, you much to choice though, if you like you really go up to distresses. But people also do not want to, as everyone wants to be rich, but they do not resent themselves or find a good solution or find a way to become a rich man.
in my opinion main thing to eradicate poverty is to increase high human resources. and we can start from ourselves, to want to learn for a better future, besides that the role of government is also needed
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September 22, 2018, 03:59:02 PM
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You think being wealthy is luck, lmfao..

I'm not even that wealthy and it's just luck that I have made all of my income from, it's just luck that I choose to spend my money on things that hold value, it's just luck that I haven't pissed my money away paying interest on loans and buying things to throw away..

I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome..



I suppose if we actually had equality of opportunity, that would be a first step in the right direction then. But we don't. Society is highly segregated along socioeconomic lines. Those with the means to leave cities move to the suburbs, and obviously those who can't don't. This creates areas with wealthy tax bases while other areas suffer loss of a tax base that supports schools and social services, and that's a cycle that reinforces itself. The more people flee the crumbling areas, the lower the tax base and the lower the quality of schools and support services. There's absolutely no way you can say everyone has the same opportunities and the people who haven't thrived have failed solely because they chose not to try hard enough. There is, to be blunt, a wide disparity in the access to opportunity across our society.

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September 22, 2018, 04:06:03 PM
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in order to lose the difficulties, if people can help themselves, if there are governments that help fellow people from being sorrow, of course they also help themselves, you much to choice though, if you like you really go up to distresses. But people also do not want to, as everyone wants to be rich, but they do not resent themselves or find a good solution or find a way to become a rich man.
in my opinion main thing to eradicate poverty is to increase high human resources. and we can start from ourselves, to want to learn for a better future, besides that the role of government is also needed

Poverty will never be eradicated not because I want to stay the poverty in the world but because it is essential for a country. Without people that is experiencing poverty, there will never be a development. The government are developing their country to solve poverty, the rate is decreasing but still for centuries of finding a solution, there are still poverty people. Let's stop the nonsense, it will never be eradicated, as long as there are greedy people that are getting good benefits from these people, it will never be eradicated.

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September 22, 2018, 04:15:54 PM
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yes you are right and I really like you, they are all people in this world who are still poor can actually become rich depending on the willingness of each of them, everything requires a process and nothing is instant.
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September 22, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
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The thing is that most people are simply too greedy, billionaires would rather hoard their resources then distribute money to the homeless. Its sad but true.
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September 22, 2018, 04:41:14 PM
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It could be wonderfull life if people in this world can help each other but i think this is almost impossible that rich people mostly does not care to poor people and giving money to poor people also will not solved poverty problem because they usually will being to lazy but rather than giving money i think we have to provide the opportunities to making money because in my opinion this way is more effective and we're successfull help them to make living
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Note:
You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.

That is right, Giving and offering cash directly to the poor class is not a solution and I believe that this way will never overcome the poverty in particular country. As you said that teaching and treat them to have skills and improve it is the best solutions. They should maximize their skills toward money. It definitely needs a long term and extra power to do because we should set their mind in order to be productive rather than consumptive or just accepting.
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September 22, 2018, 05:10:57 PM
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You think being wealthy is luck, lmfao..

I'm not even that wealthy and it's just luck that I have made all of my income from, it's just luck that I choose to spend my money on things that hold value, it's just luck that I haven't pissed my money away paying interest on loans and buying things to throw away..

I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome..

I suppose if we actually had equality of opportunity, that would be a first step in the right direction then. But we don't. Society is highly segregated along socioeconomic lines. Those with the means to leave cities move to the suburbs, and obviously those who can't don't. This creates areas with wealthy tax bases while other areas suffer loss of a tax base that supports schools and social services, and that's a cycle that reinforces itself. The more people flee the crumbling areas, the lower the tax base and the lower the quality of schools and support services. There's absolutely no way you can say everyone has the same opportunities and the people who haven't thrived have failed solely because they chose not to try hard enough. There is, to be blunt, a wide disparity in the access to opportunity across our society.

But what would it change in the end, I mean, in the context of eradicating poverty? I don't think that much. Okay, let's assume there is equality of opportunity, that is everyone has equal chances for something, as I understand it. But does it mean that having equal chances means being equal? Not in the least, if you ask me. People are born into inequality, though some are definitely born more equal than the others.

Basically, you remove one barrier and open doors to an even higher one, and this kind of inequality may be observed even more markedly and felt even stronger like one individual being born to be tall, the other short, and so forth. In other words, equality in opportunity is not going to change the inequality which is inborn in people, which is what ultimately matters. It just makes this latter kind of inequality more streamlined, more straightforward, and thus felt even more acutely and painfully as it is no longer hidden by the former kind of inequality, inequality of opportunity.
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September 22, 2018, 05:28:07 PM
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For millennia, people have tried to create a just society and eradicate poverty and nobody has succeeded in doing it in practice. We are all very different in their own type of character, inclinations and habits. Therefore, if you create equal starting opportunities for everyone, many of them will not use simplicity, others will find a way to use them to harm themselves or others and your good intentions will not be realized. Apparently, the elimination of poverty in general is impossible if we look at this problem from the point of view of religion. From this point of view, each of us has our own tasks in this world, which we must solve independently on the plane of the soul. If our physical world is perfect and people do not need anything, spiritual perfection will be impossible. Therefore, most likely, mankind is not able to solve this problem, it contradicts the vision of the Creator.
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September 22, 2018, 06:01:51 PM
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Who are we? To eradicate poverty we need an effort from the whole population of the World, but actually a lot of those who are in poverty don't realise the real size of their problem and can't build a community effort.

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September 22, 2018, 06:49:01 PM
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How do we want to eradicate poverty, to help our poor families there are still many who do not care. This is found in my area.
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September 22, 2018, 06:56:20 PM
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So many people are interested in amassing wealth without giving a dime to the less privilege around them, yet they will still be among the first to criticize the government in its failure to eradicate hunger and poverty in the country. You should also know that the duty of eradicating poverty must not be left to the government alone. You must also contribute your quota.
 
If you have worked to be wealthy or lucky to be one, you should see it as a social responsibility to help the less privileged people in the society. If I may ask, do you feel comfortable driving past several beggars on the street when you have billions of money in your account that you or your entire family may not be able to exhaust in the next 100 years?
 
Think about this seriously. With the so much money in the world, poverty can greatly be reduced if not totally eradicated.
 
All that is necessary is the distribution of this wealth.

There is enough to go round.

Note:
You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.
Based on what I saw on youtube or in real life where a homeless get money from bypassers and earn a couple of bucks a day, we have to accept the fact that it can only help them  for a couple of days too but if we teach them how to earn money in a decent way it would help them for a lifetime but it also depends upon their status and condition. I think it is too easy to spot a lazy one from a real poor person that is having a hard time with his or her life suffering from poverty. I actually don't trust charity organizations as some of them has shady whatsoever. I prefer to help motivate  or make a way that could help them get out from poverty if only I am a wealthy person.



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