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Members who support newbies (September 2022) | User name | Current rank [1] | Quantity of newbies who received merit | 58) | fillippone | Legendary | 1 newbie | Total supported in September 2022: 159 newbies (by 83 members) Thank you for the update. Well, I must say I am quite disappointed by this result. I hoped to climb the ladder a little bit given the effort I am putting in helping low ranking users with my thread: [Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed I must thy harder then! My Brothers from another Countries. I give you all respect. Thanks for helping others in the forum. When I first joined the forum it was Ratimov that was helping newbies and other ranks but later he stopped from the thread he created for that purpose, though he is still helping from other boards. That is why when I saw his name on list I was not surprised. Later this year, The Pharmacist also join him with a massive approach to help lower rank members every month then fillippone follow up the good work. One thing I like fillippone is that, he always challenge himself to take the first position or among top 5 in the forum. I believed he was a FIRST CLASS student in his University days. I believed you guys. Let us see the next table. Best wish to all charitable merit sources
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October 11, 2022, 04:54:45 PM |
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So 20k users received at least 1 merit in 4 years.. That's an average of less than 1.5 new members per day that have been rewarded. That's low, that's very low; there is just the problem with the merit busters, merit should be given away, way, way more than it is now.
The users joining number has to be way higher! Interested to see how many users registered in the last 4 years and have at least 1 post. If the ratio is more than 3 to 1 on new members posting vs new members posts merited, there is a fundamental problem which may need to be solved. Maybe, perhaps with the merit received when a certain number of activity is reached.
Just saying..
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October 11, 2022, 05:06:32 PM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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So 20k users received at least 1 merit in 4 years.. That's an average of less than 1.5 new members per day that have been rewarded. Taken the fact that most users here are either shitposters or failed AIs, this number is such a decent one. The users joining number has to be way higher! And the users who have actually something interested to share should be quite greater as well. But they aren't.
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The Sceptical Chymist
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October 11, 2022, 06:01:16 PM |
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Don't be discouraged @Fillippone; you and @The Pharmacist both do a lot to assist low-ranking members like myself in rising in the ranks.
I only gave you 3 merits in total, and though your statement is kind of a general one I have to wonder--also in general--how many alt accounts I'm helping to rank up with my post history reviews. I'm not against that per se, but it's something that's crossed my mind. Quite a few of the members who've asked me for help have had very similar writing styles and the vast majority of them post mainly in the Gambling section. I'm glad I raised my standards for merits recently, else I'd probably be helping the exact opposite types of members I'd intended to when I first made my standing offer. Nothing against you, Zaguru12. Maybe if you had 4 digits after "Zaguru" I might cock an eyebrow, but for now I'll keep my radar on low sensitivity settings.
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saxydev
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October 12, 2022, 09:27:18 AM |
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Not necessarily, we speak about the new members that join and stay arround. And for some reason the stats are terrible, if you put an average of how many users advance to the first rank, which is jr member, 20k users in 4 years is almost nothing. See cracked.io stats for example. @BlackHatCoiner But new member should be more welcomed when they are starting their activity here, when they receive appreciation, they stay. As I see it, as a new member, same users posting everywhere, the new members posting in several threads about discussions (don't have the posts appreciated at all), but one line posts from old members receive the "merit", it's more like, I will suck your c*ck and I expect you to do the same. Plus all the drama about what is sent and to whom is sent, I saw threads about 5 merits sent and the user was marked as an abuser. Let's not forget about all the spam with the gambling signatures, you see them everywhere, they are reading only the OP and 2-3 messages ignoring the entire thread..and they still get paid.
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ABCbits
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October 12, 2022, 12:26:01 PM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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Not necessarily, we speak about the new members that join and stay arround. And for some reason the stats are terrible, if you put an average of how many users advance to the first rank, which is jr member, 20k users in 4 years is almost nothing. I get your point, although i'm not sure the stats is that terrible. After all, 78%/2.7 million account either have no post or banned (according to BPIP[1]). See cracked.io stats for example.
I found their statistic[2], but didn't find anything about "new members that join and stay around". [1] https://bpip.org/[2] https://cracked.io/statistics.php
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BlackHatCoiner
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October 12, 2022, 02:17:48 PM |
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But new member should be more welcomed when they are starting their activity here, when they receive appreciation, they stay. In threads of my interest (Economics, Dev & Tech, Bitcoin Discussion) I encourage newbies who choose to start a new topic, and either have an important question to make, or an idea on behalf of them, or just an interesting project they're working on. But, I agree that I should try more. As I see it, as a new member, same users posting everywhere, the new members posting in several threads about discussions (don't have the posts appreciated at all) These same users are posting everywhere, because apparently, they're encouraged to do so. It's clear that some are a treasure for the community, and that's why they get most of the merits. As for newbies, I strongly disagree that their posts aren't appreciated. Point me at newbies who did share something helpful, interesting, funny, or just entertaining, and didn't get recognized. Plus all the drama about what is sent and to whom is sent, I saw threads about 5 merits sent and the user was marked as an abuser. You're talking about the fundamentally flawed capsule thing? I didn't do any drama. It had just drawn my attention that NotATether, who's a respectable member in technical stuff, found this clear fraud somewhat useful.
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fillippone
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October 13, 2022, 10:07:53 AM |
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Don't be discouraged @Fillippone; you and @The Pharmacist both do a lot to assist low-ranking members like myself in rising in the ranks.
I only gave you 3 merits in total, and though your statement is kind of a general one I have to wonder--also in general--how many alt accounts I'm helping to rank up with my post history reviews. I'm not against that per se, but it's something that's crossed my mind. Quite a few of the members who've asked me for help have had very similar writing styles and the vast majority of them post mainly in the Gambling section. I'm glad I raised my standards for merits recently, else I'd probably be helping the exact opposite types of members I'd intended to when I first made my standing offer. Nothing against you, Zaguru12. Maybe if you had 4 digits after "Zaguru" I might cock an eyebrow, but for now I'll keep my radar on low sensitivity settings. I think nobody can blame you if you merit a post of a n alt-account of a poster who will alter leverage their new rank to do something negative for the community. Raising the standard is a difficult balance between helping newbie post, who might haven't got to a good standard (yet) and avoiding disgraceful future situations. This is the art of being a good merit source, and it is not questionable by others.
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aysg76
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October 13, 2022, 02:32:51 PM Merited by fillippone (3) |
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I think nobody can blame you if you merit a post of a n alt-account of a poster who will alter leverage their new rank to do something negative for the community. Raising the standard is a difficult balance between helping newbie post, who might haven't got to a good standard (yet) and avoiding disgraceful future situations.
This is the art of being a good merit source, and it is not questionable by others.
Exactly when you as a merit source are handing out merits to different accounts you can't check for alt account and only sees if the post quality is good or not and if you find it useful or sharing some relevant contents then you give merits to them. Speaking about @The Pharmacist then you help lot of members to rank up and have said to PM you for monthly post review so there would generally be lot of members taking this opportunity and asking you to do the same so the only thing you can do is to look at post history so don't blame yourself on this fact and what they will gain with those merits if they get caught? Nothing but your merits were gone to the quality post only so keep up your work . If we seek about @fillippone then you are helping out many members with your thread and handed out over 4k merits and going beyond your usual merit TX and sending 1,2 or more to different posts to various members so it's not at all possible to check beforehand if they are alt account or not and only focus on post quality of the members only so this is approach we can follow if we are distributing merits at big pace.
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fillippone
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October 13, 2022, 02:40:18 PM |
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If we seek about @fillippone then you are helping out many members with your thread and handed out over 4k merits and going beyond your usual merit TX and sending 1,2 or more to different posts to various members so it's not at all possible to check beforehand if they are alt account or not and only focus on post quality of the members only so this is approach we can follow if we are distributing merits at big pace.
The only possibility is to evolve to a fully fledged AI, like other users have already done. But I am an old-fashioned flesh and bone Merit Source.
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October 13, 2022, 02:45:54 PM Merited by vapourminer (1) |
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Don't be discouraged @Fillippone; you and @The Pharmacist both do a lot to assist low-ranking members like myself in rising in the ranks.
I only gave you 3 merits in total, and though your statement is kind of a general one I have to wonder--also in general--how many alt accounts I'm helping to rank up with my post history reviews. I'm not against that per se, but it's something that's crossed my mind. Quite a few of the members who've asked me for help have had very similar writing styles and the vast majority of them post mainly in the Gambling section. I'm glad I raised my standards for merits recently, else I'd probably be helping the exact opposite types of members I'd intended to when I first made my standing offer. Nothing against you, Zaguru12. Maybe if you had 4 digits after "Zaguru" I might cock an eyebrow, but for now I'll keep my radar on low sensitivity settings. Actually the 3 merits had came generous from you because I haven't PM yet for a post review. I have been skeptical about it because I feel I don't have the standard of a quality poster yet but I am surely working on it. I don't want to ruin my chances just yet since it might get me been in your ignore list, but I will certainly PM even though I scared to do it now For the number (12) I hope I haven't gotten on the wrong side of you because of it. Believe me when I say I just have special connection with it and I just love to attach it to my name.
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Welsh
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October 13, 2022, 09:35:12 PM Merited by fillippone (3) |
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Raising the standard is a difficult balance between helping newbie post, who might haven't got to a good standard (yet) and avoiding disgraceful future situations.
This is the art of being a good merit source, and it is not questionable by others.
Raising the standard is all well, and good, but we don't want it to be so difficult that no one ever ranks up. That's why having merit sources with different views is essential in my opinion. You don't want to standardise the way users give merit, of course having a sort of standard so it doesn't dip low is good, but I think we've already pretty much established that, and the merit system has done a fantastic job at what it was implemented to do. Ultimately, it's theymos who decides on the standard, since they'll remove merit sources if they aren't in line with their vision. However, I don't think there's been too many recent merit sources removed? Plus, some removals may have not been for quality issues.
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fillippone
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October 14, 2022, 08:10:25 AM |
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Ultimately, it's theymos who decides on the standard, since they'll remove merit sources if they aren't in line with their vision. However, I don't think there's been too many recent merit sources removed? Plus, some removals may have not been for quality issues.
I think the Merit sources situation is pretty static: I just checked and I can't see difference in the last few month. Apart from that, I fully agree with you: the important thing is making your Merit Source trickle down in the forum.
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aysg76
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October 14, 2022, 02:03:38 PM |
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The only possibility is to evolve to a fully fledged AI, like other users have already done. But I am an old-fashioned flesh and bone Merit Source.
That would be option but the traditional way is also better approach and you have opened up a thread or say been appointed as Merit source to help low rank members grow but overall it should be based on the quality of their post and we have to check that aspect before meriting the user and on your level it's hard as if we are reviewing lot of posts on a daily basis.This way you could analyse the post and see if you personally find it useful and merit worthy or not. This approach I believe is better with your traditional way only and not depending on AI completely to hand out the merits and check for these aspects. Raising the standard is all well, and good, but we don't want it to be so difficult that no one ever ranks up. That's why having merit sources with different views is essential in my opinion. You don't want to standardise the way users give merit, of course having a sort of standard so it doesn't dip low is good, but I think we've already pretty much established that, and the merit system has done a fantastic job at what it was implemented to do.
Exactly the merit sources have different approach of giving out merits and they have their own style like some give out more while some stick to 1-2 at most so we see they all have their own meriting standards and this was necessary to appoint different members so it's well distributed on the forum.They can set some rules like giving out merits according to post content and not setting high or say strict policy that it's hard for members to rank up.But we see different sources helping members based on their post. I think the Merit sources situation is pretty static: I just checked and I can't see difference in the last few month. I also think that the situation is same from many time and think there were some request to appoint new sources or remove some inactive one's who have not handed out any merits or very less merits in their board not helping members to rank up but still there are 110 at the current only.Yes if @theymos find out not suitable he can make changes to it anytime.
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Welsh
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October 14, 2022, 02:52:50 PM |
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Exactly the merit sources have different approach of giving out merits and they have their own style like some give out more while some stick to 1-2 at most so we see they all have their own meriting standards and this was necessary to appoint different members so it's well distributed on the forum.They can set some rules like giving out merits according to post content and not setting high or say strict policy that it's hard for members to rank up.But we see different sources helping members based on their post.
Not just the amount they send either, it's their process of thought when rewarding merit. Some users only merit the upmost of quality, while others actually look to reward newbies looking to contribute. There's usually a bit of a difference between a user that's been here years, and those that have recently signed up. So, sometimes those new users don't get rewarded nearly as much, since the community has come to expect a certain standard when posting. Which in the most part is brilliant, but it does mean it's a lot more difficult to rank up. I personally like rewarding users that ask some decent questions, and give the impression they're actually trying to learn rather than just fishing for merit.
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JayJuanGee
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October 14, 2022, 07:04:37 PM |
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...... So, sometimes those new users don't get rewarded nearly as much, since the community has come to expect a certain standard when posting.
Which in the most part is brilliant, but it does mean it's a lot more difficult to rank up. I personally like rewarding users that ask some decent questions, and give the impression they're actually trying to learn rather than just fishing for merit.
Probably any of us can be moody sometimes too, and we might not even conform with our own standards, if we happen to believe that we have some kinds of consistent practices (standards) in the way that we send out smerits over time. Sometimes I look at a post, and I think to myself.. This post is so damned stupid and incoherent, but the person seems to be genuinely posting from his/her own experiences and seems to be a real person.. So at that point, I might start to consider that I am using a "this is a real person" standard who is trying.. .. and whether s/he is trying to learn from others, learn from oneself or just trying to communicate an idea (but not very well), gives me some sense that there is hope that his person might be capable of getting better at posting.. and that might be enough to get me to send an smerit - again depending on my mood.. because if I read a bunch of similar posts, then I might lose my patience, and therefore the posts that I read earlier in my session got lucky to receive some smerits and the ones who I read later, I had no more patience, so there is a kind of luck that might sometimes be involved. So what is my presumption? that the person is a person who seems to be trying.. and there is some kind of substance to what they are communicating, even if I don't completely understand it in its present state of arrangement (did they use google translate, or did they actually type out those quasi-incoherent words that have a few gems of some ideas contained therein?).. and for me it is not necessarily about "trying to learn" from other members in the forum, but the fact that when people post from their personal experiences, they sometimes will end up learning more about themselves and even learn how to present themselves better, and even if their motives for posting had happened to have been totally selfish in their attempt to ONLY help themselves, they may also may sometimes end up providing benefits to other members who might be able to relate to their having had gone through the process of fleshing out their ideas.. as incoherent as parts of them might have been. I go back and read some of my posts, too.. and sometimes, I will say to myself, what is that person trying to say? And, it's my own post. Some people will tell me (suggest to me).. "maybe you should go back and edit your presentation a bit, so that members can understand what you are saying?" And sometimes, my response will be "who cares if they understand or not? I feel better for having had written the post, whether anyone else understands it or not." Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to promote mediocrity, shit posting or ongoing patterns of laziness in terms of posting drivel, but sometimes "ain't nobody got time for editing their own posts," and sometimes the post still might be deserving of a merit and sometimes some of the later posts from the same member will become better because, s/he had gone through an earlier process to sort out some of his/her ideas in an earlier "draft" post. Also, there are some members who hold themselves to really high standards, and we cannot really blame them for their ongoing consistently clear and grammatically correct posts.... .. so for sure, sometimes posts will receive merits merely because the ideas are presented very well, even when the ideas might not be very good.
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October 14, 2022, 07:33:53 PM |
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Sometimes I look at a post, and I think to myself.
Absolutely, we have different standards each day, and when it comes to something like the merit system it doesn't matter all that much, in fact it can actually be a good thing. There's no set standards, and therefore you want a little more variation. Don't think there's also natural variation in what gets posted every month. Some months we'll have good post, after good post, but other months it'll be what I'd call a dry month. So, naturally you'll be wanting to expend your merit source allocation since you're encouraged to do so, therefore those dry months will likely see lower quality posts being rewards when compared to the higher quality months. Also, hell yeah some times I look at my posts, and think I've made a right mess of things there. Grammar, general presentation or just being concise enough (which is something I've always struggled with) so I definitely don't expect anyone to be absolutely perfect with their posts. At the end of the day, it's a discussion forum, not a language efficiency test.
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These are the monthly statistics for October 2022 below.
Members who support newbies (October 2022) Total supported in October 2022: 184 newbies (by 91 members)
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These are the monthly statistics for November 2022 below.
Members who support newbies (November 2022) Total supported in November 2022: 164 newbies (by 86 members)
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These are the monthly statistics for December 2022 below.
Members who support newbies (December 2022) Total supported in December 2022: 210 newbies (by 98 members)
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