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September 24, 2018, 05:58:32 PM
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As much as I respect Vod--and I respect him a great deal--I think he probably shouldn't have left that feedback for the reason he gave.  

Thank you.

How can I trust someone who ignores all scientific laws?

You probably should not have left a -ve trust. A neutral feedback would have suffice.

Moreover, I think, people posting on Flat Earth etc. should not be dealt with trust feedback. They rather deserve to be in ignore list. We already have enough scams to deal with. Check the users I have left -ve trust. Some of those scammers are not yet tagged by DT.

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September 24, 2018, 06:00:52 PM
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Moreover, I think, people posting on Flat Earth etc. should not be dealt with trust feedback. They rather deserve to be in ignore list. We already have enough scams to deal with. Check the users I have left -ve trust. Some of those scammers are not yet tagged by DT.

I'm not saying he is a scammer.  I'm saying he is a nut job and should not be trusted. 

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September 24, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
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How can I trust someone who ignores all scientific laws?
It's just ignorance.  My mother is totally averse to science and would probably believe a perpetual motion machine could exist if the huckster was confident and convincing enough.  But I'd trust my mother with my life.  There's a big difference between being stupid and being trustworthy.

But it's up to you.  If you don't trust the guy, you're well within your rights to give him a neg.  I just think it's pretty harsh.

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Moreover, I think, people posting on Flat Earth etc. should not be dealt with trust feedback. They rather deserve to be in ignore list. We already have enough scams to deal with. Check the users I have left -ve trust. Some of those scammers are not yet tagged by DT.

I'm not saying he is a scammer.  I'm saying he is a nut job and should not be trusted.  

You are NOT saying he is a scammer. But, the tool you have used is meant to identify scammers.

Its like police arrests you and keep you in lock up, saying...

"We're not saying he's a drug lord. But he's a Bitcoiner. So, he can be one."

But it's up to you.  If you don't trust the guy, you're well within your rights to give him a neg.  I just think it's pretty harsh.
Here is the fallacy. A random guy on BitcoinTalk can do whatever with his trust feedback. But, when it's from a DT member, it's NOT personal anymore. DT feedback represents forum trust. So, it must be rational & justified.

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September 24, 2018, 06:16:03 PM
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You posted this in Serious Discussion of all places. It should immediately be moved to Off-Topic.

It's pretty much a clear cut case of trolling in my book. Not that my book has much authority in these matters.

Does that mean trolling deserves negative trust? People used to get their posts deleted for that and worst case scenario they used to be given some bench time by the mods.
I know that trust is not moderated and you can do whatever you like with it, but I wouldn't paint red a person who I don't like or who I don't agree with.


I'm not saying he is a scammer.  I'm saying he is a nut job and should not be trusted.  

Unfortunately that limits his abilities on the forum. By painting him red you're making things harder for him for no reason. He will have a hard time getting a loan, participating in a signature campaign, starting and promoting a business, selling something on the marketplace, competing for a job in services with people who have neutral trust.
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September 24, 2018, 06:21:23 PM
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I believe you cannot have an opinion that the sun emits purple light.

But the sun most certainly does emit purple light..


https://www.quora.com/Does-sunlight-have-a-white-color-Or-is-it-a-mixture-of-different-colors-wavelengths

It's just that it also emits all the other colors too, and therefore appears to be white..

First proven by Sir Isaac Newton..
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Newton had proved that white light was made up of colors mixed together, and the prism merely separated them - he was the first person to understand the rainbow.
https://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/lightexperiments.html

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But the earth is clearly round and you would have to be absolutely off your rocker to believe otherwise..

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September 24, 2018, 06:31:06 PM
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It's just ignorance.  My mother is totally averse to science and would probably believe a perpetual motion machine could exist if the huckster was confident and convincing enough.  But I'd trust my mother with my life.  There's a big difference between being stupid and being trustworthy.

Did you just call your mother stupid?  Smiley

The problem with joerogers8 goes beyond that though. joerogers8 blatantly lies about easily provable facts and that's just for some stupid intertubes "opinion". Vod seems to think that such lies are also likely in a deal involving money.

In other words, joerogers8 is the huckster that's gonna sell a perpetual motion machine to your mother.

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September 24, 2018, 06:32:02 PM
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By painting him red you're making things harder for him for no reason. He will have a hard time getting a loan, participating in a signature campaign, starting and promoting a business, selling something on the marketplace, competing for a job in services with people who have neutral trust.

As it should. He doesn't understand reality.  He will not respect or comprehend a loan, compensation for posting, starting a business, etc. 

How many community members need to get burned by him before you'll accept my paint? 


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September 24, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
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You posted this in Serious Discussion of all places. It should immediately be moved to Off-Topic.

It's pretty much a clear cut case of trolling in my book. Not that my book has much authority in these matters.

Exactly my thought the section you posted the topic is meant to be for serious discussion, it's a well known fact that the earth is not flat,

the topic you post on the section is like asking people to prove that a woman is not a woman rather a man and betting $10,000 on it,

it's like joking on a section that's meant to be for serious discussion, that's why the red trust was giving to you.

I will advise you talk to Vod rather than opening a reputation thread for it which could even make you receive more red trust from other members.  

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September 24, 2018, 06:56:43 PM
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@OP
I don't think Feedbacks are moderated.
Your concept made Vod feeling that you are not a guy whom people can trust. Therefore, he has the rights to paint you. Also, I don't think there is a problem in continuing your account with the red tag as long as you are not thinking about the signature campaign, although it's off-topic.

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September 24, 2018, 10:20:47 PM
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This is too funny I got -trust from Notbatman for agreeing that Vod beat him in an argument!

Now here's the real problem if a person believes the earth is flat and is determined against all scientific FACT to believe youtube video's and meme's than for the love of satoshi no one should be doing business with that person in a trustless environment because who knows when that person might think something like your money isn't really your's and no longer owes you anything or any other insane reason a meme tells him about!

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September 24, 2018, 10:29:28 PM
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Now here's the real problem if a person believes the earth is flat and is determined against all scientific FACT to believe youtube video's and meme's than for the love of satoshi no one should be doing business with that person in a trustless environment because who knows when that person might think something like your money isn't really your's and no longer owes you anything or any other insane reason a meme tells him about!

In fact, the OP already wonders if he can trust bitcoin:

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If we don't even know where we live and only rely on what we are told how can we judge who is behind Bitcoin and what their intentions are?
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Actually, he more or less says that since he can't prove the Earth is spherical he also can't trust bitcoin. So, yeah.

Ergo, red trust definitely warranted. I don't know about the rest of you, but I would definitely want to know I was dealing with a nutcase before conducting a transaction.
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September 24, 2018, 10:35:24 PM
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This is too funny I got -trust from Notbatman for agreeing that Vod beat him in an argument!

Now here's the real problem if a person believes the earth is flat and is determined against all scientific FACT to believe youtube video's and meme's than for the love of satoshi no one should be doing business with that person in a trustless environment because who knows when that person might think something like your money isn't really your's and no longer owes you anything or any other insane reason a meme tells him about!

I must say that i got myself a good laugh, because the counterargument against flatearth is round or sphere...which is also wrong.

And how believing that the earth is round (actually a geoid) makes you a trusted person?
By your logical deduction (cough) most of the people that are scammers are flatearthers , right?

Also, are you aware that there is a huge number of scientists that believe in god, despicte all the FACTS that are against their religion?
Using your same logical deduction, how can you trust those people, especially when they are the ones that say that the earth is round (actually a geoid).



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September 24, 2018, 10:45:18 PM
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And how believing that the earth is round (actually a geoid) makes you a trusted person?
By your logical deduction (cough) most of the people that are scammers are flatearthers , right?

That's not how logic works.

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September 24, 2018, 10:46:01 PM
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By your logical deduction (cough) most of the people that are scammers are flatearthers , right?

All As are B =/= All Bs are A.

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I must say that i got myself a good laugh, because the counterargument against flatearth is round or sphere...which is also wrong.
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That is the Potsdam "gravity potato" and it is a synthetic image meant to represent the shape of the Earth in proportion to gravity felt at any point on its surface.

The actual shape of the Earth is still ellipsoid/spheroid (bulging at the equator - ie, ellipsoid - due to spin).
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And how believing that the earth is round (actually a geoid) makes you a trusted person?
By your logical deduction (cough) most of the people that are scammers are flatearthers , right?

That's not how logic works.


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September 24, 2018, 11:16:21 PM
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Ellipsoid models are more general in nature, and fail to take into account mountains and trenches.

Unlike the geoid, the ellipsoid assumes that Earth's surface is smooth.

In a dispute with a flat-earther this doesn't matter at all. They don't deny the existence of mountains, i.e. their flat Earth is not a smooth pancake either. You're just muddying waters for no reason. And stop multiposting, you're annoying all subscribers of this thread with useless notifications.

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September 24, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
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Ellipsoid models are more general in nature, and fail to take into account mountains and trenches.

Unlike the geoid, the ellipsoid assumes that Earth's surface is smooth.

In a dispute with a flat-earther this doesn't matter at all. They don't deny the existence of mountains, i.e. their flat Earth is not a smooth pancake either. You're just muddying waters for no reason. And stop multiposting, you're annoying all subscribers of this thread with useless notifications.

How about you stop speaking in other people's behalf.
I would consider that your posts that approve this clear situation of trust abuse are the ones that are useless.

This is exactly why some bounty managers started to accept negative trust accounts back into campaigns, because you pat yourselves on the back when one of you is abusing the sistem. (not all of you of course, there are clear critics in this thread).


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How about you stop speaking in other people's behalf.

I'm speaking for myself. The voices in your head are not me.

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