Mind uploading and/or chip implants in the body as alternative to wallets

[Impulseboy]

This is an old blog post I found this morning as I was reading up on cryptos but after reading it, I thought I would share it here in the bitcoin community to ask what is your opinion of implanting chips in your body and/or using your digitized brain as an alternative wallets. This idea came to my mind especially since a few months ago, I saw in the news that there are people who are getting chip implants on their hands and they can use those chips to pay for goods and services. If the chip implants can be used for fiat, do you think it can be used for crypto as well? Also, do you think that if it can be applicable to cryptocurrency, it will make our coins safer from hackers and scammers? And one last thing, will it even make a difference if we have a chip implanted on our body to store our coins?

[pawel7777]

Eugenics > Transhumanism. Always.

It already happened: "World's first Bitcoin payment to NFC microchip implanted to hand" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyhqjs7wm-M

Personally I don't see much point behind equipping chip-implants with payment options. You can easily create payment system when you won't need any device - you just associate your account with biometric data and could authorise payments with fingerprints/eye/face recognition. Seems pretty straight forward for 3rd party services, obviously more complicated with decentralised crypto.

[gentlemand]

I reserve the right to disassociate myself from anything technological at any moment. I don't want anything buried in my hot body.

The one thing that's becoming increasingly clear as the world becomes ever more internet heavy, is how lax security is treated when efforts really need to be massively stepped up. It appears to be last thing on designer minds.

When you can take control remotely of a Jeep that isn't even autonomous, the move towards everything being accessible is looking like an apocalypse in the making.

[jaydenbox]

I've been watching and reading alot about chip implants and they might be the future to be honest, like think of it, having your ID and every information about you in your skin, the same could work for your bitcoin wallet or fiat wallet, making a fast payment which would be very easy. However I do think that it could be vulnerable to hackers and scammer, but you never know, technology right

[o_e_l_e_o]

I reserve the right to disassociate myself from anything technological at any moment. I don't want anything buried in my hot body.

The one thing that's becoming increasingly clear as the world becomes ever more internet heavy, is how lax security is treated when efforts really need to be massively stepped up. It appears to be last thing on designer minds.

Hacking implants already exists: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/31/hacking-risk-recall-pacemakers-patient-death-fears-fda-firmware-update

TL:DR: Half a million cardiac pacemakers (devices implanted under the skin of your chest to control irregular heartbeats) had a security flaw that would have allowed hackers to alter the patient's heartrate and kill them.

Sure, a chip in the finger might be relatively harmless in comparison, but it could easily be used to track your every movement, even your sleeping patterns. Or maybe they could deliberately overheat it?

[gentlemand]

Hacking implants already exists: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/31/hacking-risk-recall-pacemakers-patient-death-fears-fda-firmware-update

TL:DR: Half a million cardiac pacemakers (devices implanted under the skin of your chest to control irregular heartbeats) had a security flaw that would have allowed hackers to alter the patient's heartrate and kill them.

Sure, a chip in the finger might be relatively harmless in comparison, but it could easily be used to track your every movement, even your sleeping patterns. Or maybe they could deliberately overheat it?

If you were a terrorist why would you bother recruiting idiots to blow themselves up when you could finish off a million people at the press of an enter button?

I can foresee a one off 9/11 spectacular before billions of people rip the shit they've had implanted in their bodies out for good. It's going to take something of that magnitude before enough people wake up to what they're exposing themselves to.

[o_e_l_e_o]

It's a massive issue for the manufacturers of medical devices, of which there are many - cardiac pacemakers, defibrillators, vagus nerve stimulators, deep brain stimulators, spinal stimulators, cochlear implants, etc. Many of these patients don't really have a choice about whether or not they get the implant - the alternative is permanent disability or death. They certainly have no control over the type of implant they get and the security systems installed on it.

If you are naive enough to put one of these in your body voluntarily, well, you probably deserve what's coming to you.

[franky1]

if you knew how easy it was for someone to rub up against you and get your NFC (tap to pay) debit card details.. you would stay away from storing your life savings in such tech... unless it comes with a lock/switch/mechanism to give only you the option to activate/authorise.

its why applepay and debit cards have such low limits.. yet that limit is set by the merchants terminal that gets your details.
nothing stopping someone once they have your details just blasting those details at multiple retailers

a bitcoin chip should if some company were to produce one.. only be allowed to transmit a signed tx. and not transmit the underlying privatekey.

[o_e_l_e_o]

a bitcoin chip should if some company were to produce one.. only be allowed to transmit a signed tx. and not transmit the underlying privatekey.

I mean, I agree, but then you will need to carry around some small external device that is capable of displaying the transaction for you to read and confirming or denying it. If you have to carry around an external device anyway, then what's the point of an implantable chip?

[davis196]

Just imagine you have to choose this "chip implant" option.Would you choose to have a microchip under your skin,just to use it as some kind of wallet,Identity card,social security number,bank account,ect?I don't think so.
Where is the benefit?Increased security?Haha,don't make me laugh....

[o_e_l_e_o]

Just imagine you have to choose this "chip implant" option.Would you choose to have a microchip under your skin,just to use it as some kind of wallet,Identity card,social security number,bank account,ect?I don't think so.
Where is the benefit?Increased security?Haha,don't make me laugh....

Absolutely. You are essentially creating a single point of failure for your entire life, and a poorly secured one at that. It might appeal to the masses who think it's "cool", but anyone with half a brain will stay well away. You can guarantee the government will want some kind of handy little backdoor or tracking software installed on them to.

[Taki]

I remember that something like this topic was discussed on the forum at time when I just joined. Chopping of humans body looks to me as our near future. Of course developed countries will come to that first. We may escape this, but our grandsons or grand grandsons will not. I just wonder how hacking of private information will look like in that case  

[DarkBullet]

If the chip implants can be used for fiat, do you think it can be used for crypto as well? Also, do you think that if it can be applicable to cryptocurrency, it will make our coins safer from hackers and scammers? And one last thing, will it even make a difference if we have a chip implanted on our body to store our coins?

It puzzles my mind how it will work. if the chip implants can be used for cryptocurrency then most likely, it can only be used to receive an altcoin and will not be effective to use as a payment. When we are transferring an altcoin, we need some passwords like 2FA, pin code or the private key right? So if that chip implant will be applied to cryptocurrency for receiving or sending an altcoin, then your body will mostly be targeted by hackers or will be prone in danger since that chip already gave your private key in public.

[bitfocus]

Do you mean memorizing by the term "Mind Upload"? Well, if you mean so, I must say, age and time will make you forget those magic words. And Chip Implant will absolutely backfire, those are okay in sifi movies only

[Dudeperfect]

I think it is the time to think twice about it before taking any decision of implanting chips in our bodies. I am not a great fan of such technology which is associated with the surgery (where it is not important). On the other hand, I don't see any advantages of it on a bigger level so I would not implant any such chip just for the sake of saving a few minutes.

[Gozie51]

I can see Africans and other "underdeveloped" countries advocating for their regions   Trying to run away for the technology they have craved for. If none of the unsupporting comments could stop the already implants that we now know, like hip adjustments, boobs adjustments, nose etc .

Then, if such chip implants is to come, it still won't stop it.

[cizatext]

Well I believe the development will get to that level in the nearest future, but the fact still remains that implanting a chip into our body will not still guarantee 100% security of our wallet. Because the hackers will still look for way to penetrate the chip since it will be easy for them to access as we carry it about in our body or in the brain as the article suggested.

[bartolo]

Well I believe the development will get to that level in the nearest future, but the fact still remains that implanting a chip into our body will not still guarantee 100% security of our wallet. Because the hackers will still look for way to penetrate the chip since it will be easy for them to access as we carry it about in our body or in the brain as the article suggested.

People will be lucky if thieves only hack their chips. In some places, when thieves discover someone with a chip in his body they will go after him, corner him and take the chip out of his body with a knife.

[Treasurer]

If the chip implants can be used for fiat, do you think it can be used for crypto as well? Also, do you think that if it can be applicable to cryptocurrency, it will make our coins safer from hackers and scammers? And one last thing, will it even make a difference if we have a chip implanted on our body to store our coins?

It puzzles my mind how it will work. if the chip implants can be used for cryptocurrency then most likely, it can only be used to receive an altcoin and will not be effective to use as a payment. When we are transferring an altcoin, we need some passwords like 2FA, pin code or the private key right? So if that chip implant will be applied to cryptocurrency for receiving or sending an altcoin, then your body will mostly be targeted by hackers or will be prone in danger since that chip already gave your private key in public.

Horror! The most terrible predictions of different prophets come true! First they chip us, and then they will manage us through these chips, like robots.

[Harlot]

Nope it won't be for criminals you are just a walking pile of money waiting to be kidnap and be chopped into pieces by them. By doing so you actually are putting yourself at risk as you will be a vulnerable target for them as they know exactly who you are and of course what you are carrying. Their was actually a similar kind of innovation before where they use the veins of the person as it is as unique as your own thumb print in replacement of atm cards but also that kind of tech died down as they know the risk involve of creating the human arm as means of getting your money.