Proposed guidelines for bounty managers. @theymos pls take a look and help us.

[bluefirecorp_]

"Guidelines" sounds like regulation. Regulation on a libertarian forum probably isn't going to go over so well.

[1714919859]

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[wizardcrypto]

The root causes of these trash and spam posting is the bounty manager who ask their bounty Hunter to post 20- 30 post per week.there should be stricter measures  for signatures compaign.i will suggest five post per week nothing more than that.any bounty manager that violet theses rule his or her trend should be deleted.these will control the activities of the forum.we need sanity here mate.

[Alone055]

Best option for me if required Bitcoin for bounty campaign. ERC-20 is useless until it listed on reputed exchange. Since this is Bitcoin forum so forum could require Bitcoin for bounty award.

We have a child board in Marketplace called "Services"  which is where any bounty, campaign or service paying in Bitcoins is posted. Those bounties pay in ERC-20 tokens because they are all Alternative Coins, and they have been given a completely different section for their services and stuff. So, this forum, being a Bitcoin forum, also has a place for other alternative coins out there, so it is not possible to not allow someone to pay his workers with any other cryptocurrency than Bitcoin, unless you are proposing to remove the complete Altcoin section from the forum which is also not possible.

[hilariousetc]

"Guidelines" sounds like regulation. Regulation on a libertarian forum probably isn't going to go over so well.

They're guidelines, not strict you will die if you don't follow these authoritarian laws.

The clue is in the title:

guideline
ˈɡʌɪdlʌɪn/
noun
plural noun: guidelines

    a general rule, principle, or piece of advice.
    "the organization has issued guidelines for people working with prisoners"
    synonyms:   recommendation, instruction, direction, suggestion, advice

How is a 'guide' IE something we suggest you do regulation? It's just a way to try bring some order to the chaos here. Besides, this is a bitcoin forum not a libertarian one. There are also rules here, but it's because we've been so lax about what people can get away with here that the forum is such a shitshow. Without some basic rules it just become pure anarchy and the greedy shit all over the place and ruin it for everyone else. That's why we need some rule of law, but that doesn't mean you have to rule with an iron fist. I'd say expecting some sort of minimum standards here is in everyone's interest, especially when the forum has become largely unfit for it's true purpose.

[The Cryptovator]

Without some basic rules it just become pure anarchy and the greedy shit all over the place and ruin it for everyone else. That's why we need some rule of law, but that doesn't mean you have to rule with an iron fist. I'd say expecting some sort of minimum standards here is in everyone's interest, especially when the forum has become largely unfit for it's true purpose.

I agree with with you. I have shared just idea. It's really not rules, but admin could chose some of them that I suggested. Or admin should make few rules or guideline himself. Something is better than nothing. This forum almost working fine because there is few rules. Even a country or a company can't run without rules. I believe there should be few rules also for bounty managers. Don't leave them free.

[hilariousetc]

Without some basic rules it just become pure anarchy and the greedy shit all over the place and ruin it for everyone else. That's why we need some rule of law, but that doesn't mean you have to rule with an iron fist. I'd say expecting some sort of minimum standards here is in everyone's interest, especially when the forum has become largely unfit for it's true purpose.

I agree with with you. I have shared just idea. It's really not rules, but admin could chose some of them that I suggested. Or admin should make few rules or guideline himself. Something is better than nothing. This forum almost working fine because there is few rules. Even a country or a company can't run without rules. I believe there should be few rules also for bounty managers. Don't leave them free.

People seem to think that this forum is a free-for-all and anything goes and because it's a forum about bitcoin that means there's no rules because of decentralisation. Bitcoin has rules. So does this forum. We don't have to have a list of thousands of them written like a legal document but we need at least some to keep some basic order and functionality, but this forum is a pretty good example of what happens when you don't have many rules or enforce the ones you do have as people are quick to exploit that when they realise they can get away with certain things.

[paxmao]

Bounty manager's shouldn't ask submit report on OP, bounty report should collect by Google form. Proof of annunciation can be post to avoid bounty cheaters.

This one is easy to implement and would prevent "reports" being used to pump the threads and having users whose posting list is 100's of twitter reports.

Since scam(upcoming or ongoing) are not moderated by forum, no stake distribution on time frame will consider for scam. If a manager failed to distribution stake among bounty participant he should get temp ban for each campaign. 3 temp ban result will be permaban.

I disagree. The Bounty Manager does a job for a company. Most of the times they don't have a say on the bounty payments and many times they are affected by those late payments.

Managers shouldn't ask or forced more than 20 post per week for alt coin reward to avoid spam. Or they can pay per post

I would even go further: no more than 15 post a week. Any thread asking or incentivizing more than 15 posts a week should be deleted.

Bounty manager's should not spend merit on his own bounty thread.

I would go further: There should be no merit in the ANN / Bounty sections.

There is few question if bounty managed by themselves how it will control. My opinion, let them do it themselves by getting copper membership. At least reputed and rank members are not related with them. If hunters trust them and participate on bounty than nothing we can do.  But rules should applicable for all main poster.

On the contrary, I would not allow any member that is not at least Full Member to launch an ANN. A member or Copper Member have nothing at stake, so they can try to break the rules or scam and the worst thing for them is losing a non-valuable user.

[Karisma Black]

I like those guidelines except for the self-moderated thing, for the same reasons you mentioned.
Other than that, I don't know if this could be implemented but it would définitely be good for the forum.

[marlboroza]

ERC-20 is useless until it listed on reputed exchange.

This unfortunately common opinion is not true.

Bounty manager's shouldn't ask submit report on OP, bounty report should collect by Google form. Proof of annunciation can be post to avoid bounty cheaters.

I agree on bounty reports, they shouldn't be posted here. Proofs of participation should be posted in bounty thread to make sure no one is cheating.

If a manager failed to distribution stake among bounty participant he should get temp ban for each campaign. 3 temp ban result will be permaban.

Bounty manager is not responsible for token distribution.

Managers shouldn't ask or forced more than 20 post per week for alt coin reward to avoid spam.

Most(all?) bounties have 10-15 posts rule.

Managers shouldn't accept spammer and spam post on count.

Agreed.

Bounty managers shouldn't not ask reply on thread for airdrop, bounty and ANN Thread. If asked than thread should be trashed and OP should get temp ban

If I am not wrong, this is violation of "no altcoin forum giveaway" rule and if you report such thread(s) they will be locked/trashed.

Thread should be locked after stake distributions.

I agree.

BM should lock bounty, ANN and Airdrop thread if team unable to give appropriate answers against scam accusation.

That is only their decision. Scam is not moderated.

Bumping thread with similar word of "great project" by newbie and Jr. Member is prohibited.  More than 15 comment a day like this will consider paid bumping except constructive discussion. If use paid bumping, thread should be trashed and OP should get temp ban.

That is actually tricky one. Competition can easily exploit this "rule" to trash various topics.
Good solution for this problem might be to not allow certain ranks to bump threads. For example, only members and above can bump thread and newbies/junior members are allowed to post but thread won't be bumped when they post.

If need KYC approval for receive stake BM should mention in bounty thread. No mention means there isn't require KYC in order to get stake.

This has nothing to do with this forum. It is deal between bounty hunters and the company. If it is not stated in rules, you are not obligated to provide your information. Company is not allowed to change rules after job is done(change rewards, ask for KYC)[1].

Both account should ban if caught managing bounty with alt account to avoid ban evasion.

Well, it is against forum rules anyway...

Bounty manager's could add disclaimer on bounty thread, it's doesn't mean he/she will not get ban if stake isn't distributed on time. Bounty manager fully responsible if stake not distributed for hunters.

Bounty manager is not responsible for distribution of rewards(again  ), but if they keep managing bounties for scams they can't hide behind disclaimers.

Duplicate thread are not allowed if previous thread trashed by moderators.

This is also against forum rules.

Bounty budget shouldn't decrease after end of campaign if there is more than 100 participant on spreadsheet.

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Ponzi scheme should not allow to promote on bounty section. ( All ponzi scheme turn into scam eventually)

Ponzi is scam from day one. It doesn't "eventually" turn to scam.
To be honest, sometimes it is very well hidden and you will have very hard time to prove it is ponzi. Then what? Would you blame admin for not removing it?

[mikeywith]

 unfortunately , it seems like everybody is upset about these bounty campaigns except the managers themselves, seems like everything is working well for them, and most of them don't seem to be bothered,even about the "cheaters".

the pay out for most of these campaigns is either very low , or a lot of "nothing", therefore who ever funds the campaign can't be bothered about what is really going on, i even doubt they follow what those participants actually post , despite the rules of  " posts must be constructive" that seems to be common standard that they never actually breach( except for a few managers).

i think this thing will have to sort out itself, they will get to a point where they need to start enforcing those rules, the forum can't moderate their business for them, we are just the victims of their shitposts, i think we stick "report to moderators" until something major happens in the whole crypto market which will change the whole nature of these bounty shit.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

stupid attempt at tyranny

[r1s2g3]

unfortunately , it seems like everybody is upset about these bounty campaigns except the managers themselves, seems like everything is working well for them, and most of them don't seem to be bothered,even about the "cheaters".

the pay out for most of these campaigns is either very low , or a lot of "nothing".

Managers are not bothered at all because they are using stake based system, so it doesn't not affect them how many people are doing the bounty. If more user ( or cheaters) everybody will get less payment. Managers and ICO are not affected at all.
If remove the staked the I guess manager might get serious for checking posts and quality or interested in catching cheaters.