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April 09, 2019, 11:13:34 PM
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I think that the market is controlled by large players in the face of states and just ordinary people who either buy or sell. I would say that the market does not fluctuate because of individual people, but because of successive mass transactions. And the fact that governments buy cryptocurrencies is no secret to anyone.
Where exactly is it proven that governments buy cryptocurrencies and trade them? I've never seen anywhere such news and also don't think this is quite true. Of course, there could be a few people that are working in the government that bought cryptocurrencies but this does not mean governments are buying cryptocurrencies.
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 Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. In simpler words: some bad things happen not because of people having bad intentions, but because they did not think it through properly.  

You can save yourself alot of effort in life by worrying about these kinds of conspiracy type dynamics.    There is one dynamic that is overwhelming and obvious but its also completely natural, it is the human phenomena.    Its true in every market that the majority are trying to outwit everybody else and gain personally regardless of how it might cost others.    This dynamic I have no doubt was familiar to Satoshi when he was devising this protocol a decade ago.

If a system fails because of whales, because of banks or even governments then it was not fit for purpose really because you can be sure all of those factors will be in play at some point.   I dont think governments or central banks or even agencies connected or funded by those entities are disrupting this market especially now, even China cant especially be blamed.
   Some markets are distorted by government, the 2008 housing debt market was and is heavily related to government but all this is known and public and many consider it a positive influence but any imbalance can easily be a negative and 2008 saw that made obvious.   Today housing is in majority backed by government, so the influence increased.   Massive sections of the debt market are government backed or related, thats known and stated policy and many think it will cause damage eventually.     Point I'm mentioning is, its not deliberately malicious not really, actually the most harm is in theory done while helping.

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April 10, 2019, 12:19:37 AM
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I think no one control the market, but indeed there are whales who can buy a lot of coins and can make the price grow or down, but they can't control all crypto market because they will need more money then they have now, they will need to gather more money from a lot of millionares to make more ups and down price.
Whales have enough assets to initiate the panic sell, impetuous pump or to hold a price in some range. Yes, they do not have all amount of btc and top-altcoins but as we see it's not necessary to have control all over the cryptocurrencies to manipulate the market's trend. FOMO and FUD also have a big impact on the market's condition.

I agree to this statement even a big whale cannot control market situation in a long run maybe it can control for short then people cannot control their emotion then follow the price action that causing a pump and dump situation at a first place its hard to know who those people behind the manipulating.

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April 10, 2019, 02:34:29 AM
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I think no one control the market, but indeed there are whales who can buy a lot of coins and can make the price grow or down, but they can't control all crypto market because they will need more money then they have now, they will need to gather more money from a lot of millionares to make more ups and down price.
Whales have enough assets to initiate the panic sell, impetuous pump or to hold a price in some range. Yes, they do not have all amount of btc and top-altcoins but as we see it's not necessary to have control all over the cryptocurrencies to manipulate the market's trend. FOMO and FUD also have a big impact on the market's condition.

I agree to this statement even a big whale cannot control market situation in a long run maybe it can control for short then people cannot control their emotion then follow the price action that causing a pump and dump situation at a first place its hard to know who those people behind the manipulating.
right, they use fomo and fud, to influence the psychology of traders, this is a kind of trap to fulfill their ambitions, and finally they succeed and bring a lot of money. for a healthy market, of course we all control the market

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April 10, 2019, 03:32:07 AM
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I think no one control the market, but indeed there are whales who can buy a lot of coins and can make the price grow or down, but they can't control all crypto market because they will need more money then they have now, they will need to gather more money from a lot of millionares to make more ups and down price.
Whales have enough assets to initiate the panic sell, impetuous pump or to hold a price in some range. Yes, they do not have all amount of btc and top-altcoins but as we see it's not necessary to have control all over the cryptocurrencies to manipulate the market's trend. FOMO and FUD also have a big impact on the market's condition.

I agree to this statement even a big whale cannot control market situation in a long run maybe it can control for short then people cannot control their emotion then follow the price action that causing a pump and dump situation at a first place its hard to know who those people behind the manipulating.
right, they use fomo and fud, to influence the psychology of traders, this is a kind of trap to fulfill their ambitions, and finally they succeed and bring a lot of money. for a healthy market, of course we all control the market

Lol. The fact that they can make transactions to move the market and start a pump or dump, means they have enough money to do that with a lot more to spare. When it comes to control, the people who have lots of assets have us in their hands. That's why its important to know how to ride the splashes and waves they make because that's also how you gain profit.


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April 10, 2019, 04:45:25 AM
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A cryptocurrency is difficult to counterfeit because of this security feature.  In practice, the large conglomerates of Pump and Dump traders that artificially push or pull prices before exiting at a favorable time.

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April 10, 2019, 04:52:27 AM
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This is a free market practicing a true definition of decentralization. This means that there is no central or single body in absolute control over the market. The market is controlled by the cumulative activities of investors, traders and all crypto users on the market.

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April 10, 2019, 06:00:29 AM
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This is a free market practicing a true definition of decentralization. This means that there is no central or single body in absolute control over the market. The market is controlled by the cumulative activities of investors, traders and all crypto users on the market.
It's the investors that are controlling the market, however there are two types of investors, the one is the ordinary investors and the other are the big investors of we called them whales. IMO, the one that is controlling is the WHALES, as they can manipulate the market.

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April 10, 2019, 06:23:43 AM
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Remember, this whole thing about crypto is largely decentralized, thus, there is no single authoritative body in control of the crypto market. Although there are few centralized platforms among crypto, the market is largely influenced by the efforts and influence of the users of crypto. How well sellers and buyers treat the coins on the market affect the performance of the market.


It is right nobody controls the cryptocurrency market, but some big whales have been holding a large amount of coins, so they have got the power to influence the market in their own favor. There have been instances when the whales have skillfully manipulated the market, so they would always have influence on the market, but they can't fully control it.

People who are holding a big amount of coins are the people who control the market and we need to be very careful with the little holdings. We should always focus on the market which coins we have to invest and coin we shouldn't because most of the whales will grab high volume potential coins. They can easily turn the market into green and red according to the situations.
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April 11, 2019, 05:30:40 PM
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Like traditional markets, there are some groups of big players who try to manipulate crypto market and gain huge profits but most of bitcoiners have resisted to these speculators by holding their coins without hesitating. These people have lost an amount of money for their belief that ther can be a financial market which can't be controlled by big whales. Thanks to these people for their devotion, because of these brave people bitcoin price is about 5K right now.
 Yeah there are the people who are controlling the market and who are making the price higher day by day, we should also help the market to rise higher by holding, actually panic selling makers price fall and holding makes high, so demand and supply are the two main factors which can affect our crypto market, to some extent whales are also market controllers.
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April 11, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
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as far as I know the one who can control the market is a large investor because the big investor has a big impact on the market so that if many investors adopt large-scale coins then the market will quickly increase

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I'm not sure that everything is decentralized. I think that big players can influence the market very much. And indicate the direction of the price.

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April 20, 2019, 07:18:02 AM
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Larger whales control the market and can affect the prices of any decentralized currency. Ordinary players with weak hands have nothing to control, they just float on the waves.

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April 20, 2019, 08:14:44 AM
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I'm not sure that everything is decentralized. I think that big players can influence the market very much. And indicate the direction of the price.
Nobody can constantly monitor the cryptocurrency market. There are too many participants and their number continues to increase. However, the largest investors in cryptocurrency may well influence the cryptocurrency market, especially if they unite and act in the same direction. However, cryptocurrency is very different from the usual currency. It does not make sense to fully control yourself. In order to have demand and value, she must walk in society.
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April 20, 2019, 08:16:36 AM
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Larger whales control the market and can affect the prices of any decentralized currency. Ordinary players with weak hands have nothing to control, they just float on the waves.
whales and institution investors controls price in cryptocurrency market.they have more resources and can do anything they want.even market crash they can do only by spreading fud without spend their money.and as retail trader we be their victim.

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April 20, 2019, 08:27:06 AM
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Remember, this whole thing about crypto is largely decentralized, thus, there is no single authoritative body in control of the crypto market. Although there are few centralized platforms among crypto, the market is largely influenced by the efforts and influence of the users of crypto. How well sellers and buyers treat the coins on the market affect the performance of the market.

That's right, but the market controller is the rich. Small traders like us cannot decide the price of a coin. But if you have more than 1 million dollars in hand, you can manipulate an exchange.
This is also a negative point that people often mention. So to avoid risks, we should always place a stoploss order.

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April 20, 2019, 09:20:16 AM
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Remember, this whole thing about crypto is largely decentralized, thus, there is no single authoritative body in control of the crypto market. Although there are few centralized platforms among crypto, the market is largely influenced by the efforts and influence of the users of crypto. How well sellers and buyers treat the coins on the market affect the performance of the market.

those who have a lot of money will adjust the market and even it is a manipulation organization. They often focus on margin trading and make the price fluctuate reasonably. Sometimes, they can push the price of the BTC up to $ 10k in 15 seconds and make the BTC price drop very quickly after that. it is the power of money in the decentralized market and it is quite scary.

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April 20, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
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The market is decentralized we all know that except those exchangers that is centralized. The investors control the market right and we are that investors even you invest a little amount of money you are now contributing to the movement of the market you are now one of the people who controls the market.

  We have different of view by ananlyzing the situation, but I think it is about an ultimate high volatilities that affect the value of some coins. But some big whales had keep enormous profits that can also affect the market to change its way, either to pump or dump. And I think it is a wise way to gain massive profits as well, invest while it is affordable and keep our patience wide untill the bull trend occur.
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April 20, 2019, 01:36:59 PM
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Remember, this whole thing about crypto is largely decentralized, thus, there is no single authoritative body in control of the crypto market. Although there are few centralized platforms among crypto, the market is largely influenced by the efforts and influence of the users of crypto. How well sellers and buyers treat the coins on the market affect the performance of the market.


Generally speaking, there are no specific people who are controlling the market, just like what you have said, this market that we have is decentralized. But if you came up with your idea because you noticed that there are big changes that is happening in the market every single time, it is because of the whales. Whales are the people who have the biggest amount of cryptocurrencies, meaning, if they dump their altcoins whenever they like, the price of that altcoins in the market would change also, it would affect it, but it doesn't mean that they are controlling the market.

It is just a strategic way for them to gain more profits if everyone will dump their coins also because of panicking, being afraid that it might drop even more that is why they might do panic selling.
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April 20, 2019, 04:10:18 PM
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I'm not sure that everything is decentralized. I think that big players can influence the market very much. And indicate the direction of the price.

They can actually but there are a lot of other investors in the market and even if they have a small amount, with a lot of them maybe selling and investing, it can also affect the price of Bitcoin and other crypto currencies. If I will be answering the question, who controls the market? That would be us investors.

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