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October 03, 2018, 05:31:18 PM
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Should we consider it merit abuse? If yes, will the sender/receiver receive -ve trust from DT?

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October 03, 2018, 05:51:38 PM
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Should we consider it merit abuse? If yes, will the sender/receiver receive -ve trust from DT?

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October 03, 2018, 06:03:35 PM
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Should we consider it merit abuse? If yes, will the sender/receiver receive -ve trust from DT?

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350

Yours is neither a service announcement one, nor you have sent 50 merits to OP at one go!

So, unfortunately, its not you. Roll Eyes

Interestingly, the service provider I am talking about, has also received some questionable trust feedback from DT. But, that was being discussed here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034828.0.

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October 03, 2018, 11:02:04 PM
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Giving 50 Merits to ANN topic isn't a best way to spend Merits, but I don't know can we call it as Merit abuse. Users are free to choose how they want to spend their Merit. IMO, it's better to give Merits to ANN threads than send to alt accounts or sell on black market.
Maybe you can show us ANN about which you're talking about?




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October 03, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
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That thread is almost funny looking back at it today and seeing how many merits were so freely handed out for posts that were just mediocre.  I'm pretty sure bitcointalk will never see anything like that again.

As to OP's point, I'd say 50 merits from a single member would certainly be excessive, but I doubt anyone would get tagged.  I'm not sure who Johny Depp is talking about, though.  It would be helpful for him to mention specifics and not broad generalities, because suspected merit abuse obviously depends on the circumstances.

I've seen a lot of campaign threads and ANNs where the OP gets enormous amounts of merits.  Hell, even DarkStar_ got 8 merits for the Chipmixer campaign thread, and there have been other bounty managers who've gotten far more than that.  

What can you do?  I wouldn't call it merit abuse; it's more like gratitude, and members have to have a certain amount of freedom to do what they want with their sMerits.  This is why I'm not putting on the gloves and stepping into the ring with suspected merit abusers.  It's not usually black-and-white like it is with account sales and whatnot.  As I said recently, though, I'm glad there are other DT members who are tagging the obvious cases of abuse.

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Giving 50 Merits to ANN topic isn't a best way to spend Merits, but I don't know can we call it as Merit abuse. Users are free to choose how they want to spend their Merit. IMO, it's better to give Merits to ANN threads than send to alt accounts or sell on black market.
Maybe you can show us ANN about which you're talking about?
Dang, you basically just beat me to the punch and said very succinctly what I just wrote.  Anyway, without knowing who OP is talking about, all of this is just blabbering.  The answer to his question is that the member might get tagged.  That might not be what OP wants to hear, but that's the truth of the matter.

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October 04, 2018, 04:45:53 AM
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You cannot should not send out -ve feedback without sufficient reason and foresight.

Neither the thread-starter nor the merit sender should receive negative feedback (unless this is not an isolated case). We, as humans, are subjective by nature and some individuals may choose to send 50 merit on occasion to certain topics. This is not necessarily untrustworthy since we have no clear abuse between the two users.

In the case where it is not an isolated instance then we can start to formulate a conjecture. Back-and-forth merit transactions will usually dictate shady behavior.

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October 04, 2018, 08:41:53 PM
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Other times, other manners. There are some cases in which more merits has been sent and is no longer a violation  "receive -ve trust from DT":

 - [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented 50 merits from 1Referee.
 - Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services 138 merits from 6 accounts.

You have the freedom to send any amount of merits, but you are not entitled to sell, exchange or use it in the scam "send to alt."
If merit sources are allowed to send merits to " service announcement thread"[1], others will be allowed to do so.

[1] I will add the source when I find it

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October 05, 2018, 04:50:51 PM
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It should be 148 meirts, on the 8th floor someone also gave it 10merits.
I don't know what Nessie is.But such a short thread has only 8 replies, and all of them are very short ads. Is this really worth 148 merits?
This is a pretty naked provocation.

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October 05, 2018, 05:01:48 PM
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It should be 148 meirts, on the 8th floor someone also gave it 10merits.
I don't know what Nessie is.But such a short thread has only 8 replies, and all of them are very short ads. Is this really worth 148 merits?
This is a pretty naked provocation.
Complete waste of merits I would say! Imagine, if they were used to rank up some deserving high-quality posters. The reason why I call it a waste is because the merited account doesn't seem to be interested in participating in the forum or offer some services here. That is not the case with ChipMixer, they're running a signature campaign from a long time also offering mixing services here.


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October 06, 2018, 02:43:15 PM
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Giving 50 Merits to ANN topic isn't a best way to spend Merits, but I don't know can we call it as Merit abuse. Users are free to choose how they want to spend their Merit. IMO, it's better to give Merits to ANN threads than send to alt accounts or sell on black market.
Maybe you can show us ANN about which you're talking about?
I'll respectfully disagree, it should be reported and even though merits cannot be removed, there should be exceptional situations where it should be possible to remove the merits when it's an obvious mistake or/and abuse. Some folks here post very quality stuff and struggle to get 50 merits in total. To be honest I already started a thread about this before and was told that little can be done. 
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Giving 50 Merits to ANN topic isn't a best way to spend Merits, but I don't know can we call it as Merit abuse. Users are free to choose how they want to spend their Merit. IMO, it's better to give Merits to ANN threads than send to alt accounts or sell on black market.
Maybe you can show us ANN about which you're talking about?
I'll respectfully disagree, it should be reported and even though merits cannot be removed, there should be exceptional situations where it should be possible to remove the merits when it's an obvious mistake or/and abuse. Some folks here post very quality stuff and struggle to get 50 merits in total. To be honest I already started a thread about this before and was told that little can be done. 
I understand your point, but unfortunately, Merit system isn't moderated, same like trust system. And it's really difficult to prove Merit abuse, this is why there not many users are red tagged by DT members. Yeah, it's not fair that some users just buying Merits to rank up and they aren't punished for that, while other users are working hard to get Merit in legit way. I see that you're making really good posts, but you got too litle number of Merits.




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October 07, 2018, 11:59:07 AM
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I just find a similar case where a user who posted an update about some projects got +10 merits from the projects 'owner'. In local sections, some members used this similar style to add more merits for their alts. The proof is not strong enough though, so this is also debatable.
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October 08, 2018, 01:01:23 AM
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the biggest merit circle are Lauda's ganga


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you got them here to close that topic quickly
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October 08, 2018, 01:05:46 AM
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You wanna know for what Lauda and his gang needs the high amount of merit ?
They need it to get hired as ico/bounty managers.

I don't wanna know how many scam accounts they own themself but seeing their abusiv actions and instant deletion of posts asking about it on their threads just shows how scared they are about these topics.
BTW my red trust i gained from the Lauda Gang for buying an account so a friend can post pictures in his ICO where he gave full details about himself and his company.

So they tagged me for scamming which never accured and once i attacked them calling them stupid assholes they flooded me with red trust.


Lauda and his gang are the worst cancer on this forum


He already lost his position as Mod here because of his abuse and his gang members lost their DT status....... i guess that says everything
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October 08, 2018, 01:11:19 AM
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You're back... hm. :/
you got them here to close that topic quickly
What topic?
You wanna know for what Lauda and his gang needs the high amount of merit ?
They need it to get hired as ico/bounty managers.
No. Two of the members that you mentioned above take no part in ICOs or bounties. At all. Even if it were the case merit has nothing to do with any hiring process. Reputation does.
I think it's interesting how you claim we send merit to one another.

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None of the "gang" appear on the "send sMerit" section.

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I guess thats why you guys have so many dedicated threads about yourself like this one


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829282.0

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and have a look which people always join on these threads instantly to destroy it.
Always the same people and it has a reason why
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silence
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silence

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Other times, other manners. There are some cases in which more merits has been sent and is no longer a violation  "receive -ve trust from DT":

 - [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented 50 merits from 1Referee.
 - Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services 138 merits from 6 accounts.

You have the freedom to send any amount of merits, but you are not entitled to sell, exchange or use it in the scam "send to alt."
If merit sources are allowed to send merits to " service announcement thread"[1], others will be allowed to do so.

[1] I will add the source when I find it


50 merits to a service announcement definitely raises suspicion of trade under the table.
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December 10, 2018, 01:37:55 PM
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So does bumping a 2 month old thread with a shitpost and instantly getting Jr merits for it..

I am completely against freedom of speech when it is used by virtue signallers like eddie13
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