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October 05, 2018, 07:22:06 AM
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We voted to leave the European Union in a referendum, which was a real people's vote. We were told that "Brexit means Brexit", and that leaving would be a complete break with a two year transition period to negotiate new trading arrangements with the EU and the rest of the world. Despite the large number of immigrants in Britain, and the people who thought that leaving the EU would deny them access to cheap sex and drink holidays, we had a majority who voted to leave, This was a shock to the Eton/Oxford elite who control the UK and the EU, and they set about stalling things to try to minimise the leeching of UK assets. Theresa May has been extremely clever in managing to continue our loss of sovereignty, and assets, whilst appearing to be incompetent. It was clear from the beginning that the only ( and desirable ) exit strategy was under world trade rules, and it is difficult to see how any alternative can be considered. The popular press refers to it as "crashing out", and this may be true, but not because it is destructve, but because the Eton/Oxford controlled deep state have managed to block and delay negotiatons.

The fisheries industry is just one example of their tactics. Membership of the common fisheries agreement has been massively damaging to out fishing industry, and also to piscine sustainability. Regaining control will save us around £300 biilion in import costs, and provide many jobs as the industry is rebuilt. Failure to take control will continue the decline in British fishing employment, increase food costs, and lead to the permanent loss of UK fishing rights. This is the objective of the "Deep State" as they continue their attempts to control the UK, and expand on the morphed British Empire known as "The City of London".

A second referendum on Brexit will not be a people's vote, but will be a Deep State globalist vote.

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October 06, 2018, 07:13:22 AM
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It's interesting that there are no replies in this thread, and it confirms that there is only minimal interest in Brexit outside the UK, and a lot of people are bored with it there as well. Given that it is an unexpected rebellion by the country that created the banking global elite via the Eton/Oxford priviliged elite ( Clinton was an Eton Rhodes scholar ), I find this a bit surprising. I suspect thart most people don't understand the major changes in the world economies that have started. Trump's breaking of the 1970s Petro-dollar agreement with Saudi is another manifestation of this rebellion.

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October 08, 2018, 01:16:34 AM
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A second referendum on Brexit will not be a people's vote, but will be a Deep State globalist vote.

I may have to read up about it./

What's been very clear from the popular media is that your deep state is actively trying to prevent what the people want.
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October 08, 2018, 09:00:05 AM
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The latest situation with Greece is one reason why  the Deep State wants to lock countries in their asset harvesting tool - the misnamed European Union.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdUV8o0p720&t=328s

They allow banks to indulge in reckless lending to increase the amount of debt, and when the banks state that they are close to failure because of this policy, the relevant government steps in to buy or guarantee the debt, and thus transfer liability onto the population of the country. The Eu then steps in and forces the country to sell it assets at a discount to Deep State organisation or associates. Iceland rejected this approach, and allowed banks to fail, and imprisoned the culpable bankers. Everyone said that it would destroy Iceland, but the reality is that Iceland has a much stronger economy as a result of its actions.

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Im a UK citizen who left the UK. I think its outrage if there will be a second Brexit vote.. the people voted for this, this vote can't be undermined or shouldn't be undermined by house of lords 'representatives' (that's a laugh) who feel that a second vote should be cast..

The UK is disheartened by the mass influx of immigration from these Muslim/African countries.. its a tiny little island with 70million people already! we have seen how destructive it has been to the indigenous people from Germany and Norway.. these people aren't capable to assimilate into the culture.. what fragments of culture is left..  Embarrassed


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October 10, 2018, 09:53:47 PM
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They allow banks to indulge in reckless lending to increase the amount of debt, and when the banks state that they are close to failure because of this policy, the relevant government steps in to buy or guarantee the debt, and thus transfer liability onto the population of the country.

And there is a good reason: the Government has probably been stealing money every second.

We voted to leave the European Union in a referendum, which was a real people's vote.

Are you afraid of letting the "real people" (As opposed to the imaginary people?) have a second say?

We were told that "Brexit means Brexit", and that leaving would be a complete break with a two year transition period to negotiate new trading arrangements with the EU and the rest of the world

You were told many things that have been proven false.


...we had a majority who voted to leave

An insignificant majority compared to the many that did not vote and far too small to implement a change of that calibre.

...the Eton/Oxford controlled deep state have managed to block and delay negotiatons...

Nope, the negotiations were born blocked because the UK, and particularly the Conservatives are incapable of having an agreement among themselves, which is the cause of all this issue. Did anyone think that bringing the EU into this conversation would make it easier?

...has been massively damaging to out fishing industry...

It is called negotiation. Be sure that UK did not ever give something for nothing.



...Regaining control will save us around £300 biilion in import costs... .....and provide many jobs as the industry is rebuilt

False. At this point in time even many of people who voted leave have found out that they were wrong. Why are Brexiters afraid of letting people speak again? (no need to answer, we all know why)

... the morphed British Empire known as "The City of London".


Which at the moment is bringing in a massive influx of foreign investment and subsidising de-facto the rest of the country. And now people have become aware.

...A second referendum on Brexit will not be a people's vote, but will be a Deep State globalist vote.

So the first vote is "the real people speaking" while a new consultation would be "the Deep State". The fear is strong in this one.

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October 10, 2018, 10:29:51 PM
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We voted to leave the European Union in a referendum, which was a real people's vote. ....
A second referendum on Brexit will not be a people's vote, but will be a Deep State globalist vote.

Well....

The second vote will be the .... people that MATTER ....

The first was those .... like Hillary Clinton famously said ... "The deplorable!"
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October 11, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
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There are some interesting comments in ths thread.

re: The fishing industry - if we stop allowing European fisherman to catch our fish, and then sell them back to us, catching them ourselves will boost UK employment, and save us the cost of paying foreign fisherman to catch our fish, and the unemployment benefits paid to our own fishermen.

If you consider the manipulation by the governement who sought to control the referendum vote, and the number of immigrants seeking to increase their communities, then the real British vote woud have been a far larger percentage. One example is the failed immigrant banker Gina Miller, who was educated at Roedean ( the girl's equivalent of Eton), and has received over £1 million in payment from Soros. If you consider all the other example, you start to realise the extent of the problem.

The vacillation by the current remainer government, whilst appearing to be incompetent, is in reality quite skilful. It is continuing the policy of transferring the UK national and private assets and wealth into the hands of the Eton?Oxford elite who control the EU. A deep state inspired referendum would allow them to extended the wasted two year transition period that is coming to an end. and continue their destruction of the social fabric of Britain.

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October 11, 2018, 10:21:46 AM
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There are some interesting comments in ths thread.
re: The fishing industry - if we stop allowing European fisherman to catch our fish, and then sell them back to us, catching them ourselves will boost UK employment, and save us the cost of paying foreign fisherman to catch our fish, and the unemployment benefits paid to our own fishermen.

It is very easy to make a case for a single industry or treaty, ignoring the rest. As I said, nothing is free. You will boost fishing related industries, but loose in some other aspect. EU negotiations are exactly that, you give and you take. In the case of the UK, it has been able to take a lot and frankly Germany is so happy to see the UK leaving and stop being a problem for their politics.

...real British vote woud have been a far larger percentage...

Only the brits could vote in the referedum. What do you mean by "real British Vote"? I hope you are not trying to establish a British "race" argument here.

... A deep state inspired referendum would allow them to extended the wasted two year transition period that is coming to an end...

An UK referendum would not allow any extension period. That is false information. Any extension would have to be agree by the 27 members of the European Union.

Again, the first referendum was "the true voice of the people", but the second would be "the Etonians manipulated vote". That does not fly.



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There are some interesting comments in ths thread.
re: The fishing industry - if we stop allowing European fisherman to catch our fish, and then sell them back to us, catching them ourselves will boost UK employment, and save us the cost of paying foreign fisherman to catch our fish, and the unemployment benefits paid to our own fishermen.

It is very easy to make a case for a single industry or treaty, ignoring the rest. As I said, nothing is free. You will boost fishing related industries, but loose in some other aspect. EU negotiations are exactly that, you give and you take. In the case of the UK, it has been able to take a lot and frankly Germany is so happy to see the UK leaving and stop being a problem for their politics.

...real British vote woud have been a far larger percentage...

Only the brits could vote in the referedum. What do you mean by "real British Vote"? I hope you are not trying to establish a British "race" argument here.

... A deep state inspired referendum would allow them to extended the wasted two year transition period that is coming to an end...

An UK referendum would not allow any extension period. That is false information. Any extension would have to be agree by the 27 members of the European Union.

Again, the first referendum was "the true voice of the people", but the second would be "the Etonians manipulated vote". That does not fly.




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October 11, 2018, 01:03:57 PM
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It's interesting that there are no replies in this thread, and it confirms that there is only minimal interest in Brexit outside the UK, and a lot of people are bored with it there as well. Given that it is an unexpected rebellion by the country that created the banking global elite via the Eton/Oxford priviliged elite ( Clinton was an Eton Rhodes scholar ), I find this a bit surprising. I suspect thart most people don't understand the major changes in the world economies that have started. Trump's breaking of the 1970s Petro-dollar agreement with Saudi is another manifestation of this rebellion.

I wouldn't agree with this, I just think that people around the world usually assume that when a vote occurs the decision is going to be made, and it's going to be enforced within the next year or so. Now we're about 2 years out and we're still in Brexit negotiations, which is something which is foreign to the rest of to the world.

It's a way to mask the failures of the current administration in pushing for the people.




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October 11, 2018, 02:07:28 PM
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Governments don't make trade deals, companies do that. All governments do is to create barriers and impse taxes.

Prior to the referendum, there was a massive amount of publicity that stated that "Brexit was Brexit", and that we would be leaving the EU - well what a load of cock that was. The stipulated 2 year tansition period that was designed to negotiate arrangements to supplement world trade agreements has been squandered in futile attempts to create a fake exit from the bankrupt EU. It also provides a period for UK assets and wealth to continue to be removed from the country.

A person who has British grand parents is more likely to want to preserve the established culture and economy, than an immigrant with an interest in rehoming his relatives to take advantage of the prosperity and charity of the country. Obviously this is not true in all cases, but stats seem to bear out the fact. We have also had a change in the education policy in the UK ( the removal of grammar schools for example ) and a rise in the snowflake teachers who villify national identity, and ambition. This is the reason we need hard working Polish workers ( and others ), whilst we have so many lazy unemployed young Britons.

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If you don't believe in the Eton/Oxford/Harvard elite, then reflect on this.

In 2002 Oxford University founded a biotec company caled Oxitec. They have developed a mosquito that is 20 times the size of a normal mosquito, and it has just been released into North Carolina, and they are breeding in the stagnant pools following hurricane Florence.

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Governments don't make trade deals...


A trade deal is precisely about setting those conditions. It is time to assume that the Brexit cannot be delivered in the terms promised. It has always been a lie.

The stipulated 2 year tansition period...

The period was set in article 150 of the EU treaty.

Europe does not prevent anyone from leaving. That's false.
The period was not set for Brexit, it would be the same for anyone.
Brexit means brexit means nothing, is a catchphrase.


person who has British grand parents is more likely to want to preserve the established culture and economy, than an immigrant with an interest in rehoming his relatives to take advantage of the prosperity and charity of the country.


This is false information, the stats show that EU migrants contribute more, take less sick leave and are more productive than average. Those arguments have no base except hate and FUD.


Obviously this is not true in all cases,



Not for EU migrants at all.


This is the reason we need hard working Polish workers ( and others ), whilst we have so many lazy unemployed young Britons.

Then UK should address the real problem instead of being suicidal.

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Pretty sure the government and many officials pushed numbers and narratives that were simply false.

Along side foreign influence on the elections, it's not a wonder why there's a second referendum proposed to the people by the people.
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Pretty sure the government and many officials pushed numbers and narratives that were simply false.

Along side foreign influence on the elections, it's not a wonder why there's a second referendum proposed to the people by the people.

The people already voted to leave. This second referendum is the establishment and the EU attempting to media spin the UK back into its parasitic grasp.


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October 11, 2018, 08:14:34 PM
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The people already voted to leave. This second referendum is the establishment and the EU attempting to media spin the UK back into its parasitic grasp.

People are always influenced by one factor or another. The propaganda and false promises before the referendum are now evident:

- No money is saved. The "divorce bill" and the damage to the economy will eat ten times any saving.
- The border with Ireland is a nightmare. Just setting a border would cost twice the contribution to the UE, not to mention the social issues.
- The immigrants have never been a problem. The UK is unable to generate at home the expertise it needs, particularly in the Healt sector.

And so many other lies...

And now there is fear to let people speak now that the facts are showing themselves and, once again, you look for an enemy from outside or inside to cover the facts. Well done, it did work well in the referendum... give it another try.

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The people already voted to leave. This second referendum is the establishment and the EU attempting to media spin the UK back into its parasitic grasp.

People are always influenced by one factor or another. The propaganda and false promises before the referendum are now evident:

- No money is saved. The "divorce bill" and the damage to the economy will eat ten times any saving.
- The border with Ireland is a nightmare. Just setting a border would cost twice the contribution to the UE, not to mention the social issues.
- The immigrants have never been a problem. The UK is unable to generate at home the expertise it needs, particularly in the Healt sector.

And so many other lies...

And now there is fear to let people speak now that the facts are showing themselves and, once again, you look for an enemy from outside or inside to cover the facts. Well done, it did work well in the referendum... give it another try.

British inclusion into the EU was never voted on, this was a bureaucratic hijacking to begin with. Speaking of lies, lets talk about the cost of limitless unenforced illegal immigration and the violence and crime it brings. It worked well in the referendum because no one bothered asking the people to begin with, and they never wanted this.


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October 12, 2018, 08:40:36 AM
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The core of the question is though, if now the majority votes for not leaving how can you deny their choice?

Wouldnt that be non democratic?


The majority can still vote no and cement the results of the first vote Smiley
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October 12, 2018, 08:43:44 AM
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The core of the question is though, if now the majority votes for not leaving how can you deny their choice?

Wouldnt that be non democratic?


The majority can still vote no and cement the results of the first vote Smiley

True, but what is the point of having a vote if it is just ignored? Also what is stopping them from just voting over and over again until they get the result they want? No. This is all contrived establishment creep and PR trying to pull Britain into the EU against popular will.


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