Unfair to Jr.Members

[beswaax]

First off, I agree with the implementation of 1 Merit for Jr. Members, but I find it unfair that those who were already Jr.Members were demoted to Newbie again, it's just unfair, they should have received 1 Merit from the System automatically and so only new members would be needed to get 1 Merit. When merit was implemented everyone automatically received Merit based on activity, so why is it now different?

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[Vod]

When merit was implemented everyone automatically received Merit based on activity, so why is it now different?

Like any organism, all this forum can do is make a change, watch what happens, then make another change as needed.

[MagicSmoker]

You really think you are the first person to say this in the month since the retroactive requirement for 1 merit to reach jr. member was introduced?

The reason it was made retroactive was to stop the immense amount of sig campaign spamming going on from jr. members who had yet to earn a single merit despite having made hundreds (in some cases thousands) of posts. If it wasn't made retroactive it only would have prevented new sig campaign shitposters from coming online; all the existing shitposters would still be able to ply their filthy trade.

[The Cryptovator]

I think you question is , why are Jr. member's didn't received airdrop merit? If I am not wrong than MagicSmoker already answered you. The new merit system implemented to prevent spam, not to motivate spammer. That's the reason Jr. Members has not received airdrop merit. And it's just only 1 merit, not too much. I believe thoes are quality poster, they have earned 1 merit within week. Still receiving everyday. I don't think it is too hard to earn 1 merit for quality poster. So there is not appropriate reason to distribute airdrop merit. And it's not unfair for quality poster, it's unfair for spambie.

[InvoKing]

I find it unfair that those who were already Jr.Members were demoted to Newbie again, it's just unfair, they should have received 1 Merit from the System automatically and so only new members would be needed to get 1 Merit.

Newbies unable to get just 1 merit needs to think again about what they are doing here or simply find another forum to spam on it.

[cryptovigi]

First off, I agree with the implementation of 1 Merit for Jr. Members, but I find it unfair that those who were already Jr.Members were demoted to Newbie again, it's just unfair, they should have received 1 Merit from the System automatically and so only new members would be needed to get 1 Merit. When merit was implemented everyone automatically received Merit based on activity, so why is it now different?

What to say..  Life isn't always fair..
It was said a thousand times that one merit isn't much so everybody can achieve it...
But in fact we could be more fair... Let's rise every rank requirements for 1 merit

jr. member - 1 merit,
member - 11 merits,
full member - 101 merits,
senior member - 251 merits,
hero member - 501 merits,
legendary - 1001 merits

I think it would be really FUN to see some high ranked users fighting to "EARN" their first merit ever ;-)

[Joel_Jantsen]

First off, I agree with the implementation of 1 Merit for Jr. Members, but I find it unfair that those who were already Jr.Members were demoted to Newbie again, it's just unfair, they should have received 1 Merit from the System automatically and so only new members would be needed to get 1 Merit. When merit was implemented everyone automatically received Merit based on activity, so why is it now different?

Fuck off already

[hilariousetc]

No. If you can't get one merit then you probably don't deserve to be a Junior Member anyway. Many people would argue that no merit should have been 'airdropped' in the first place, but I don't think we should be making everyone a Junior just because of when they signed up, and if you can't get one merit then that's something they're going to have to figure out for themselves. If we allowed this then there'd be a hell of a lot of bots and farmed accounts that would be able to continue on with their shitposting shenanigans.

[ralle14]

First off, I agree with the implementation of 1 Merit for Jr. Members, but I find it unfair that those who were already Jr.Members were demoted to Newbie again, it's just unfair, they should have received 1 Merit from the System automatically and so only new members would be needed to get 1 Merit. When merit was implemented everyone automatically received Merit based on activity, so why is it now different?

There's a reason why the merit requirement was increased by 1 for Jr members saying it's unfair means you want spam to continue. You should've read this thread before making this post.

If only those Jr members that got demoted focused more on what they're posting rather than doing bounties they should've earned at least one by now.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

When merit was implemented everyone automatically received Merit based on activity, so why is it now different?

Theymos obviously knows where the spamming problem comes from, which is why he made the change the way he did.  It might not seem fair to those junior members who got busted back down to noob status, but all they have to do is earn one single merit to move back up in rank.  I would also add that the only folks who really care about how unfair it seems are the ones concerned solely with how much advertising they can put in their signature space. 

In any case, the change was already made.  Making new threads bitching about it isn't going to somehow change Theymos's mind and might actually put you on people's ignore list.  The whining started probably within the first hour after Jr. Members with no merit went back to Newbie, and it's time for it to stop. 

Not sure what OP is complaining about anyway, since he earned 1 merit and has a copper membership.  Makes me wonder how many alt accounts he's in control of.

[joeperry]

Before Theymos implement the new system there are hundreds... or thousands of Jr. members who're spammer or shitposters and spreading spams in the forum.

The main goal of merit system is to control the spammers and shitposters in ranking up in to avoid joining bounty campaigns and if you're going to give 1 merits to those shitposters then the spam will be there and will not be gone, having a 1 merit is not a problem if you in yourself know that you can earn it by posting informative or constructive posts.

[YOSHIE]

I think that in the Bitcointalk forum there is nothing unfair, the clear rules for all members to get privileges no distinguish A and B as long as they are in accordance with the rules of the forum.
Who makes it unfair we ourselves? Which we do not want to think a little with creative ideas for the progress of the forum. What we have in mind is money, bounty and bounty.

[BOUNTY]

[Bounties Altcoins]

Well, why don't we think of a little to be better in the forum. By giving benefit to others, ( don't concern ourselves).

[cryptoperkele]

Just make 1, decent enough post and you're back being jr. And don't just automatically demand merit without adding any value to the forums. That's hardly an unreasonable request.

[Marcel666]

The forum already had 2million+ members, and majority were Jr members. And they were targeted to be the problem, so airdropping merits would be aiding them to continue spamming.

I was lucky to get merited early after the announcements, it's difficult with bounty tasks, but I try to keep my comment helpful and productive. So we never go back to the way we were.

[aplistir]

When merit was implemented everyone automatically received Merit based on activity, so why is it now different?

Before Merit system was first implemented it was NOT possible to get any merit even from excellent posts.  I believe it was because of this, that the old users were given merit from the activity they had at that point.
There are lots of old and really excellent and informative posts from many old users ( eg. Gmaxwell,  Dannyhamilton & Satoshi   just to mention a few ) and it would be a shame if those posts had not been "merited" at all.

Of-course it is true, that those old users who did not make many useful posts benefited from it too. Giving those users 1000 merits is quite a lot in today's standards.

The "new" Jr members however have been able to earn merits from day 1. That is, IF they have made good posts.

But in fact we could be more fair... Let's rise every rank requirements for 1 merit
I think it would be really FUN to see some high ranked users fighting to "EARN" their first merit ever ;-)

Now, that would be interesting   

[Hivalley]

First off, I agree with the implementation of 1 Merit for Jr. Members, but I find it unfair that those who were already Jr.Members were demoted to Newbie again, it's just unfair, they should have received 1 Merit from the System automatically and so only new members would be needed to get 1 Merit. When merit was implemented everyone automatically received Merit based on activity, so why is it now different?

The forum was deviating from the foundation on which it was built upon as spam and spam megathreads was the order of the day,its really difficult for the MODS to control all that,especially with the Altcoin and Bitcoin discussion sections, the Mods must be super humans going through those sections

1 merit to become a junior member isn't unfair instead it's incentivizing,it works two ways, helps you learn more and helps the forum reduce spam.
It's been fairly a success thus far as there is no need you drawing us back to the past..

We've moved on from all that now, all we need from you now is to offer help to someone anytime you have the chance and whenever you wanna create a thread,make sure it's better than this one

[Armagh1234]

I am having a dilemma about this:

I agree with you cause: Many people were participating in a signature campaign of some ICOs and were demoted and kicked out. I think if there is to be a new ruling, it should be for new members.

I also disagree with you cause I see people with 100+ activities and zero merit. These people have definitely not "tried" at all to do anything helpful in the forum and still get to enjoy their rank because they shitposted non-stop. So I do think that these should be demoted.

So I don't know man. I just feel like it's hard to be the moderators of such a huge forum.

[pickupcoin]

After the bullish market suddenly a lot of new one's accounts appeared here. it turned out that most of it was created by few owners who try to participate in a bounty program with several accounts. and all of these are created in the last few months. so this hurts mostly multi-account bounty hunters and it is certainly fair if they are reluctant to cheat bounty system.

[vallydelly]

First off, I agree with the implementation of 1 Merit for Jr. Members, but I find it unfair that those who were already Jr.Members were demoted to Newbie again, it's just unfair, they should have received 1 Merit from the System automatically and so only new members would be needed to get 1 Merit. When merit was implemented everyone automatically received Merit based on activity, so why is it now different?

What to say..  Life isn't always fair..
It was said a thousand times that one merit isn't much so everybody can achieve it...
But in fact we could be more fair... Let's rise every rank requirements for 1 merit

jr. member - 1 merit,
member - 11 merits,
full member - 101 merits,
senior member - 251 merits,
hero member - 501 merits,
legendary - 1001 merits

I think it would be really FUN to see some high ranked users fighting to "EARN" their first merit ever ;-)

Seriously I would like to see this happen real soon, I have seen some full member that only have bounty report as their post history, yet they have 100 merit  and some have never earned one single merit since the merit airdrop and still they call Jr members shit-posters, I just wished and hope mods will look into this and implemented it let's see how many high ranking members will get the just one merit and rank up. It will really be fun.

[vallydelly]

After the bullish market suddenly a lot of new one's accounts appeared here. it turned out that most of it was created by few owners who try to participate in a bounty program with several accounts. and all of these are created in the last few months. so this hurts mostly multi-account bounty hunters and it is certainly fair if they are reluctant to cheat bounty system.

You are so correct, the sudden hike in spam and new creation of account happen when merit system was introduced, It now becomes so difficult to rank to a full member or even high rank members. Though the merit system was good for the forum but the effect resulted to high increase in spam and multi-account for bounties. Thanks to 1 merit to Jr.member, it has reduce the spam rate in the forum and recent signature bounty spreadsheet contains just a few number of people.