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October 20, 2018, 05:21:00 PM
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Why do people fear hydrogen so much? It's literally safer than gasoline. It may seem that several myths were spread throughout the public (probably by big-oil).

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2852323/heres-why-hydrogen-fueled-cars-arent-little-hindenburgs.html

https://blog.ballard.com/hydrogen-safety-myths
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October 20, 2018, 05:26:44 PM
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It cost more energy to produce hydrogen then we get by burning it.

Its about efficiency not safety.
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October 20, 2018, 05:26:53 PM
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Why do people fear hydrogen so much? It's literally safer than gasoline....

No...obviously you've never used hydrogen. Do some welding with it and come back and please let us know...
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October 20, 2018, 05:48:18 PM
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Why do people fear hydrogen so much? It's literally safer than gasoline....

No...obviously you've never used hydrogen. Do some welding with it and come back and please let us know...

Obviously you were born without a brain, come back when you get one.
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October 20, 2018, 06:35:58 PM
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Why do people fear hydrogen so much? It's literally safer than gasoline....

No...obviously you've never used hydrogen. Do some welding with it and come back and please let us know...

Obviously you were born without a brain, come back when you get one.

Suit yourself, let me know how your experiment with an 8000 psi pressure bottle goes.

Also hydrogen embrittlement.

But do tell how 4 lb/cubic foot for a fuel is exciting.

Isn't it produced from natural gas? I would DEFINITELY not want to just burn natural gas. No WAY!
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October 20, 2018, 06:39:39 PM
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xxx.

Rofl, your ignorance is astounding. Wink

Go away oil shill Wink
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October 20, 2018, 06:46:43 PM
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Rofl, your ignorance is astounding. Wink

Go away oil shill Wink

Yes, oil is nice. IIRC it has the highest number of hydrogens in a very dense form. I guess only people that know fracking would understand things like that. It's also very safe, due to it's liquid nature and relatively low vapor pressure.

So yes, gasoline in particular is a really optimal fuel. It's particularly useful in .... gasoline engines ....

Who would have thunk? People that REALLY appreciate hydrogen get it from gasoline. Because the energy is in those hydrogen atoms flying off the molecule they are bonded to.
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October 20, 2018, 07:14:46 PM
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Oil shilling

go away oil shill Wink

Your bait and switch claims won't work here.
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October 20, 2018, 07:40:14 PM
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Oil shilling

go away oil shill Wink

Your bait and switch claims won't work here.

No shilling. It's 100% proveable, that gasoline is smarter/better/cheaper than hydrogen.

Or electric.
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October 20, 2018, 11:22:32 PM
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Why do people fear hydrogen so much? It's literally safer than gasoline....

No...obviously you've never used hydrogen. Do some welding with it and come back and please let us know...

Obviously you were born without a brain, come back when you get one.

pressurized flammable gasses > liquid flammable gases at atmospheric pressure

The fear is legitimate and science based. There are significant fire risks with Tesla's battery banks as well. You claim to be scientific, but any time anyone presents conflicting opinions or evidence to you, your reaction is to attack and insult. Looks to me like you don't know how to science.

Oil shilling

go away oil shill Wink

Your bait and switch claims won't work here.

When does my check come?

I see, we all must be paid actors, shills for big oil. However if anyone claims George Soros is doing the same thing, well, that is just a lunatic conspiracy theory!


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October 21, 2018, 08:06:55 PM
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Moar oil shilling...

Oil shills really dig their feet in deep when they're called out Smiley
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October 21, 2018, 11:15:53 PM
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Moar oil shilling...

Oil shills really dig their feet in deep when they're called out Smiley

Why do you start a discussion if you don't want to discuss anything? It's all about you presenting your point and throwing invectives.
Maybe one day when we deplete our oil supply we'll start thinking about hydrogen, but since there are other alternatives (LPG, biodiesel, electric) I don't see why anyone would choose H2.

 
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October 21, 2018, 11:21:22 PM
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Moar oil shilling...

Oil shills really dig their feet in deep when they're called out Smiley

Why do you start a discussion if you don't want to discuss anything? It's all about you presenting your point and throwing invectives.
Maybe one day when we deplete our oil supply we'll start thinking about hydrogen, but since there are other alternatives (LPG, biodiesel, electric) I don't see why anyone would choose H2.

The discussion was to reduce the propagation of the myth of hydrogen being more dangerous than petro.

Also, once you add in the total cost of the damages of climate change, you quickly see oil is not the cheaper option.
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Moar oil shilling...

Oil shills really dig their feet in deep when they're called out Smiley

Why do you start a discussion if you don't want to discuss anything? It's all about you presenting your point and throwing invectives.
Maybe one day when we deplete our oil supply we'll start thinking about hydrogen, but since there are other alternatives (LPG, biodiesel, electric) I don't see why anyone would choose H2.

The discussion was to reduce the propagation of the myth of hydrogen being more dangerous than petro.

Also, once you add in the total cost of the damages of climate change, you quickly see oil is not the cheaper option.

Wow, all those facts... zero rhetoric. Clearly based on your confidence alone we must trust, even though you present zero facts you must know all the right answers.


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October 22, 2018, 01:49:33 AM
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Moar oil shilling...

Oil shills really dig their feet in deep when they're called out Smiley

Why do you start a discussion if you don't want to discuss anything? It's all about you presenting your point and throwing invectives.
Maybe one day when we deplete our oil supply we'll start thinking about hydrogen, but since there are other alternatives (LPG, biodiesel, electric) I don't see why anyone would choose H2.

The discussion was to reduce the propagation of the myth of hydrogen being more dangerous than petro.

Also, once you add in the total cost of the damages of climate change, you quickly see oil is not the cheaper option.

Neither of these assertions will survive three minutes in honest debate.
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Isn't the fear of hydrogen that it has no added odorant, so people are in fear that when you have a hydrogen leak you can't detect it and it blows up?

Id rather have hydrogen than butane fuelled engines which are poplar here.. I think we are safer at storing these types of gases these days, how many hand lighters you had blow up in your pocket? petrol tanks are thin 2mm plastic tanks, whist hydrogen and butane gas tanks in cars.. are thick steel drums which are deemed safe.. some car manufactures in Europe fit LPG tanks to cars (not retrofitted) so they must be thinking its not that unsafe.. any combustable fuel is risky..

Let me ask this then of the nay sayers.. would you feel safer with LPG tank or a Hydrogen tank fitted in a car.. if you had no other choice?

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Isn't the fear of hydrogen that it has no added odorant, so people are in fear that when you have a hydrogen leak you can't detect it and it blows up?

Id rather have hydrogen than butane fuelled engines which are poplar here.. I think we are safer at storing these types of gases these days, how many hand lighters you had blow up in your pocket? petrol tanks are thin 2mm plastic tanks, whist hydrogen and butane gas tanks in cars.. are thick steel drums which are deemed safe.. some car manufactures in Europe fit LPG tanks to cars (not retrofitted) so they must be thinking its not that unsafe.. any combustable fuel is risky..

Let me ask this then of the nay sayers.. would you feel safer with LPG tank or a Hydrogen tank fitted in a car.. if you had no other choice?
It does not matter how you feel. It matters what the actual facts are about safe use of these fuels. If you don't know the facts or don't care to look them up, forget it.

LPG has a long history of use with internal combustion engines, all the materials and methods are well proven, in spite of the 3000 psi issues.
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It does not matter how you feel. It matters what the actual facts are about safe use of these fuels. If you don't know the facts or don't care to look them up, forget it.

LPG has a long history of use with internal combustion engines, all the materials and methods are well proven, in spite of the 3000 psi issues.

Statistically planes are the most safe form of transport but when they screw up everybody typically dies..

I guess you are the kind of guy who travels from NYC to TOKYO by boat...  Roll Eyes

I've looked up the facts about LPG I was planning to buy a car from a manufacturer which fitted LPG as standard.. The last thing manufacturers want is more law cases on their hands. I pretty much think if the manufacturers have decided to fit LPG or Hydrogen they have to a high percentage mitigated all the typical risks.

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It does not matter how you feel. It matters what the actual facts are about safe use of these fuels. If you don't know the facts or don't care to look them up, forget it.

LPG has a long history of use with internal combustion engines, all the materials and methods are well proven, in spite of the 3000 psi issues.
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I've looked up the facts about LPG I was planning to buy a car from a manufacturer which fitted LPG as standard.. The last thing manufacturers want is more law cases on their hands. I pretty much think if the manufacturers have decided to fit LPG or Hydrogen they have to a high percentage mitigated all the typical risks.

Are you suggesting that because someone offers hydrogen car for sale it must be safe?

The argument of the OP was that "it was safer than gasoline."

LPG is a 3000 psi product, hydrogen tanks must be 2-3 x that and then they hold at the most 4 lb/cubic foot. The tank must be much bigger. There are serious impracticalities with hydrogen as a fuel. There are issues with LPG also, but not to such an extreme.

Hydrogen will go right through tanks, and the phenomena known as "hydrogen embrittlement" makes fittings unsafe over time.
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He is right. It is very simple. Pressurized fuel is more dangerous than liquid fuel by its very nature. It may be managed to an "acceptable" level of risk, but one is always going to be less safe than the other.


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