Kremlinbots

[Waradlain]

A few days ago, Twitter posted a database of tweets from a Russian "bot factory". Activity schedule in Russian (orange) and in English (red).
The orange peak is the period of the annexation of Crimea and downing Boeing MH17 over Donbas and the high red activity is the US presidential election.
As we know massive activity spotted at Facebook, Youtube, Reddit etc. 
So I wonder is any kremlinbots being caught here at bitcointalk or nobody cares?



For those who interested:
the whole database is here https://about.twitter.com/en_us/values/elections-integrity.html#data
tl;dr https://twitter.com/benimmo/status/1052545119826706433

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[bluefirecorp_]

IRA in action.

They're here too, not just twitter.

[Waradlain]

IRA in action.

They're here too, not just twitter.

Lemme ask what's IRA?

[bluefirecorp_]

IRA in action.

They're here too, not just twitter.

Lemme ask what's IRA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

[squatz1]

I don't think that these kremlin bots are rooting for any particular side, it seems as if they're just trying to make the American electorate divided over so many issues -- and if we're looking at the US right now we see that they're without a doubt succeeding in at least that quest. Politics has NEVER been such a polarizing issue, people will literally stop talking to one another (family, close friends, etc) if you don't align with their political views.

It's a crazy world out there, the Russians are succeeding.

[Flying Hellfish]

I don't think that these kremlin bots are rooting for any particular side,
It's a crazy world out there, the Russians are succeeding.

Dude read the 38 page indictment of the GRU national that had a 35 million USD budget to attack the left.  The attack is completely targeted at getting the right pissed off at the left.  If you think a dictator paying for propaganda is spending it on a fair attack on both sides you're crazy bro, they have a real interest in having as hard right a leader as possible as POTUS.

But you're 100% right it is working and has been since at least 2016!

To the OP I don't think any of the IRA bots are actually here, not enough bang for their buck.

[squatz1]

Dude read the 38 page indictment of the GRU national that had a 35 million USD budget to attack the left.  The attack is completely targeted at getting the right pissed off at the left.  If you think a dictator paying for propaganda is spending it on a fair attack on both sides you're crazy bro, they have a real interest in having as hard right a leader as possible as POTUS.

But you're 100% right it is working and has been since at least 2016!

I'm not saying it's being done equally, I'm saying that the goal is to create chaos -- not to support one candidate or another.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/02/16/deputy-ag-rosenstein-no-evidence-election-results-were-impacted.html - Check this out.

I'll give you at least this one, https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-did-russian-interference-affect-the-2016-election/

It's hard to measure if anything.

[bluefirecorp_]

Dude read the 38 page indictment of the GRU national that had a 35 million USD budget to attack the left.  The attack is completely targeted at getting the right pissed off at the left.  If you think a dictator paying for propaganda is spending it on a fair attack on both sides you're crazy bro, they have a real interest in having as hard right a leader as possible as POTUS.

But you're 100% right it is working and has been since at least 2016!

I'm not saying it's being done equally, I'm saying that the goal is to create chaos -- not to support one candidate or another.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/02/16/deputy-ag-rosenstein-no-evidence-election-results-were-impacted.html - Check this out.

I'll give you at least this one, https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-did-russian-interference-affect-the-2016-election/

It's hard to measure if anything.

Even there, there’s some ambiguity — but considering that Clinton essentially lost the election by only 0.8 percentage points (Trump’s margin of victory in the tipping-point state, Wisconsin) and that the Comey letter coincided with a polling shift of about 3 points toward Trump, we can be reasonably confident that it was enough to make the difference.

so hard, many measure, literally from the link provided.

[TECSHARE]

I don't think that these kremlin bots are rooting for any particular side,
It's a crazy world out there, the Russians are succeeding.

Dude read the 38 page indictment of the GRU national that had a 35 million USD budget to attack the left.  The attack is completely targeted at getting the right pissed off at the left.  If you think a dictator paying for propaganda is spending it on a fair attack on both sides you're crazy bro, they have a real interest in having as hard right a leader as possible as POTUS.

But you're 100% right it is working and has been since at least 2016!

To the OP I don't think any of the IRA bots are actually here, not enough bang for their buck.

Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in.

[Flying Hellfish]

I don't think that these kremlin bots are rooting for any particular side,
It's a crazy world out there, the Russians are succeeding.

Dude read the 38 page indictment of the GRU national that had a 35 million USD budget to attack the left.  The attack is completely targeted at getting the right pissed off at the left.  If you think a dictator paying for propaganda is spending it on a fair attack on both sides you're crazy bro, they have a real interest in having as hard right a leader as possible as POTUS.

But you're 100% right it is working and has been since at least 2016!

To the OP I don't think any of the IRA bots are actually here, not enough bang for their buck.

Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in.

Guess we will start to find out in Jan when the Dem's take control of the house!!

[TECSHARE]

"Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in."

Guess we will start to find out in Jan when the Dem's take control of the house!!

Yes, because nearly 3 years of investigating isn't enough to produce any actual evidence, including about a year under Obama's rule. What you mean is if your delusions of Democrats retaking control materialize magically, then you can manufacture all the evidence you want.

[Flying Hellfish]

Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in.

Guess we will start to find out in Jan when the Dem's take control of the house!!

Yes, because nearly 3 years of investigating isn't enough to produce any actual evidence, including about a year under Obama's rule. What you mean is if your delusions of Democrats retaking control materialize magically, then you can manufacture all the evidence you want.

Patience Grasshopper!  Focus on the Mueller investigation because that's the special investigation into the 2016 election specifically.  The Mueller investigation isn't even a year and a half old.  Watergate took 2 years to unfold and Whitewater took more than 4 years.  Neither of those two involved a hostile nation which would likely make it harder to gather evidence...

Dems are picking up 35 seats in the house dude, like it or not!!!  Even if they don't get 35 they will take control of the house!  The investigations are coming for Trump and no matter how much you and he may not like it that isn't going to stop what's coming.

We're all going to find out the entire Trump campaign was balls deep with Russia, it's gonna be so fun to watch!

There is no way Trump and his kids are smart enough to have refused the Russians help when they offered it, nor are any of them smart enough to be able to cover it up in a way that Mueller didn't figure out in his first day on the job!!!

Remember kids the fun starts in Jan 2019 and should provide major entertainment all year long!  The pussy grabbing unnamed co-conspirator is going to have much more of his dirty laundry aired!

[TECSHARE]

Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in.

Guess we will start to find out in Jan when the Dem's take control of the house!!

Yes, because nearly 3 years of investigating isn't enough to produce any actual evidence, including about a year under Obama's rule. What you mean is if your delusions of Democrats retaking control materialize magically, then you can manufacture all the evidence you want.

Patience Grasshopper!  Focus on the Mueller investigation because that's the special investigation into the 2016 election specifically.  The Mueller investigation isn't even a year and a half old.  Watergate took 2 years to unfold and Whitewater took more than 4 years.  Neither of those two involved a hostile nation which would likely make it harder to gather evidence...

Dems are picking up 35 seats in the house dude, like it or not!!!  Even if they don't get 35 they will take control of the house!  The investigations are coming for Trump and no matter how much you and he may not like it that isn't going to stop what's coming.

We're all going to find out the entire Trump campaign was balls deep with Russia, it's gonna be so fun to watch!

There is no way Trump and his kids are smart enough to have refused the Russians help when they offered it, nor are any of them smart enough to be able to cover it up in a way that Mueller didn't figure out in his first day on the job!!!

Remember kids the fun starts in Jan 2019 and should provide major entertainment all year long!  The pussy grabbing unnamed co-conspirator is going to have much more of his dirty laundry aired!

Why should I be patient? Why don't you simply back up your premise with facts? Oh right, there are none, this is all just a fabrication designed to distract from their own corruption.

lol "hostile nation". Everyone knows who is hostile, except for you and your delusional brethren constantly trying to reassure each other of your collective hallucination.

Trump has already been investigated and explicitly cleared, but you keep imagineering!

You seem rather confident. You wanna put some money on this?

[Waradlain]

Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in.

Guess we will start to find out in Jan when the Dem's take control of the house!!

Yes, because nearly 3 years of investigating isn't enough to produce any actual evidence, including about a year under Obama's rule. What you mean is if your delusions of Democrats retaking control materialize magically, then you can manufacture all the evidence you want.

Patience Grasshopper!  Focus on the Mueller investigation because that's the special investigation into the 2016 election specifically.  The Mueller investigation isn't even a year and a half old.  Watergate took 2 years to unfold and Whitewater took more than 4 years.  Neither of those two involved a hostile nation which would likely make it harder to gather evidence...

Dems are picking up 35 seats in the house dude, like it or not!!!  Even if they don't get 35 they will take control of the house!  The investigations are coming for Trump and no matter how much you and he may not like it that isn't going to stop what's coming.

We're all going to find out the entire Trump campaign was balls deep with Russia, it's gonna be so fun to watch!

There is no way Trump and his kids are smart enough to have refused the Russians help when they offered it, nor are any of them smart enough to be able to cover it up in a way that Mueller didn't figure out in his first day on the job!!!

Remember kids the fun starts in Jan 2019 and should provide major entertainment all year long!  The pussy grabbing unnamed co-conspirator is going to have much more of his dirty laundry aired!

Trump has already been investigated and explicitly cleared, but you keep imagineering!

You're probably already live in 2019 since, as far as I know, the investigation is currently not completed and it's too early to draw any conclusions. If we don't consider Congress investigation.

President Donald Trump's legal team is preparing a report that will contain sections rebutting a series of potential conclusions special counsel Robert Mueller could reach in his eventual findings, Rudy Giuliani tells CNN.
This is not how you act if don't feel guilty eh?

[TECSHARE]

Trump has already been investigated and explicitly cleared, but you keep imagineering!

You're probably already live in 2019 since, as far as I know, the investigation is currently not completed and it's too early to draw any conclusions. If we don't consider Congress investigation.

President Donald Trump's legal team is preparing a report that will contain sections rebutting a series of potential conclusions special counsel Robert Mueller could reach in his eventual findings, Rudy Giuliani tells CNN.
This is not how you act if don't feel guilty eh?

Nope. it is real simple. Investigations are based on evidence. Even in the most high level investigations 100% of the actual evidence does not remain behind closed doors. If there was SOMETHING, ANYTHING at all to grasp on to it would have been paraded around the media years ago. This whole concept that there is no evidence to present because the investigation is not over is just your personal suspended belief and you demanding the rest of the world share it. Furthermore they have already announced Trump himself is not even under investigation at this point.

There is no evidence. You have none.

[Waradlain]

Get back to it next year.

[TECSHARE]

Get back to it next year.

So in other words you have zero evidence and this is just a really long, expensive, drawn out, taxpayer funded smear campaign. Thank you.

[bluefirecorp_]

Get back to it next year.

So in other words you have zero evidence and this is just a really long, expensive, drawn out, taxpayer funded smear campaign. Thank you.

Are you employed by the hostile foreign nation state entity? Really, you seem like a sycophant when it comes to Russia. Makes me wonder who pays you to spread misinformation and FUD.

The evidence of the investigation is there. The evidence that Trump committed treason is in public. Really, it's about convincing the general public that Trump's guilty, which won't happen until congress flips.

[Waradlain]

Get back to it next year.

So in other words you have zero evidence and this is just a really long, expensive, drawn out, taxpayer funded smear campaign. Thank you.

No pal, in other words I don't find it reasonable ot spend time arguing with you. At least for the moment.
What I know for sure is if almost every member of your entourage has been seen in connections with Russians, you just cannot be clean as a whistle. Zero chances. Impossibru.

[Sutters Mill]

So I wonder is any kremlinbots being caught here at bitcointalk or nobody cares?

Twitter is a huge worldwide platform where public opinion can be swayed. Why would Russia waste time with their bot armies on a bitcoin forum? Without evidence it's probably not even worth postulating.

IRA in action.

They're here too, not just twitter.

What makes you so sure? Somehow I doubt they're on every message board on the internet. They'll go where they can have the biggest impact and to places where they can influence the masses such as social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook.

I don't think that these kremlin bots are rooting for any particular side, it seems as if they're just trying to make the American electorate divided over so many issues

I disagree. I think they will always have an agenda. Clearly they wanted Trump in for whatever reason. Maybe not for anything specific other than being disruptive, but something tells me they did have a specific motive with this last presidential election.

[bluefirecorp_]

Stuff

Pretty sure that bitcointalk is targeted by more focused attacks. I'm sure they've built a framework to work together to control the misinformation/disinformation campaign here.

Pretty sure it's due to the compromising material that Russia has on Trump.

[TECSHARE]

Get back to it next year.

So in other words you have zero evidence and this is just a really long, expensive, drawn out, taxpayer funded smear campaign. Thank you.

Are you employed by the hostile foreign nation state entity? Really, you seem like a sycophant when it comes to Russia. Makes me wonder who pays you to spread misinformation and FUD.

The evidence of the investigation is there. The evidence that Trump committed treason is in public. Really, it's about convincing the general public that Trump's guilty, which won't happen until congress flips.

Evidence of an investigation is not evidence of guilt. If the evidence is so public you will have no problem specifying exactly what evidence you have now will you? I am a sycophant for asking you to support your claims with evidence? No one pays me, my payment is demonstrating to the world how delusional you are by simple Socratic method. You know what the public needs to be convinced? Evidence.

Get back to it next year.

So in other words you have zero evidence and this is just a really long, expensive, drawn out, taxpayer funded smear campaign. Thank you.

No pal, in other words I don't find it reasonable ot spend time arguing with you. At least for the moment.
What I know for sure is if almost every member of your entourage has been seen in connections with Russians, you just cannot be clean as a whistle. Zero chances. Impossibru.

Well you are making a claim, yet you refuse to back it up with evidence. This would be quite a convenient cop out for a person with no evidence, but that is not you right? You have all the evidence in the world and presenting it is just beneath you. I mean what kind of heretic asks for evidence anyway right?

My entourage? What? I am American born and raised, and you are a loon.

[Waradlain]

Twitter is a huge worldwide platform where public opinion can be swayed. Why would Russia waste time with their bot armies on a bitcoin forum? Without evidence it's probably not even worth postulating.

You will be surprised but their activity is noticed not only on global services such as Twitter or YT but also on absolutely non-political (but at the same time quite popular) ones. Let's say popular with teens Pikabu.ru which is Russian wannabe-reddit or Lepra.ru.
When you have almost unlimited budget you can cover a huge number of sites. But on the other hand I didn't claim that there are such users here too.

My entourage? What? I am American born and raised, and you are a loon.

If you read again you'll see that I didn't mean you personally.
Loon isn't the worse word people called me on the Internet.

[TECSHARE]

My entourage? What? I am American born and raised, and you are a loon.

If you read again you'll see that I didn't mean you personally.
Loon isn't the worse word people called me on the Internet.

Yes, I suppose your ambiguous statement was my fault. Really my goal wasn't to say the worst thing.

[Waradlain]

What I know for sure is if almost every member of your entourage has been seen in connections with Russians, you just cannot be clean as a whistle. Zero chances. Impossibru.

Well you are making a claim, yet you refuse to back it up with evidence. This would be quite a convenient cop out for a person with no evidence, but that is not you right? You have all the evidence in the world and presenting it is just beneath you. I mean what kind of heretic asks for evidence anyway right?

Took me 30 minutes.
1. Carter Page ( but admitted that he had worked as an informal adviser to the Russian government.)  https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/22/carter-page-acknowledges-working-as-informal-adviser-to-russia-735559
2. George Papadopoulos (A young foreign policy consultant whom President Trump once praised as an “excellent guy” is the first aide in the Trump campaign to plead guilty in the special counsel’s investigation into ties between the president’s associates and the Russian government.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia-trump.html
3. Michael Flynn (But White House officials said that Mr. Trump was merely acknowledging what had happened the day before: Mr. Flynn’s guilty plea for lying to the F.B.I. about his conversations with Mr. Kislyak.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html
4. Jeffrey “JD” Gordon (The adviser, Jeffrey “JD” Gordon, said he spoke to Sergey Kislyak at the Republican National Convention in July about Mr Trump’s desire to reset the strategic relationship.) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-adviser-jeffrey-jd-gordon-speak-russia-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-us-relations-isis-a7616436.html
Also let's not forget Jared Kushner and Trump junior.

[squatz1]

so hard, many measure, literally from the link provided.

Comeys letter literally has nothing to do with the Russia probe, it is in relation to the Clinton email probe. I’m at least pretty sure this is correft.

[Spendulus]

What I know for sure is if almost every member of your entourage has been seen in connections with Russians, you just cannot be clean as a whistle. Zero chances. Impossibru.

Well you are making a claim, yet you refuse to back it up with evidence. This would be quite a convenient cop out for a person with no evidence, but that is not you right? You have all the evidence in the world and presenting it is just beneath you. I mean what kind of heretic asks for evidence anyway right?

Took me 30 minutes.
1. Carter Page ( but admitted that he had worked as an informal adviser to the Russian government.)  https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/22/carter-page-acknowledges-working-as-informal-adviser-to-russia-735559
2. George Papadopoulos (A young foreign policy consultant whom President Trump once praised as an “excellent guy” is the first aide in the Trump campaign to plead guilty in the special counsel’s investigation into ties between the president’s associates and the Russian government.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia-trump.html
3. Michael Flynn (But White House officials said that Mr. Trump was merely acknowledging what had happened the day before: Mr. Flynn’s guilty plea for lying to the F.B.I. about his conversations with Mr. Kislyak.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html
4. Jeffrey “JD” Gordon (The adviser, Jeffrey “JD” Gordon, said he spoke to Sergey Kislyak at the Republican National Convention in July about Mr Trump’s desire to reset the strategic relationship.) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-adviser-jeffrey-jd-gordon-speak-russia-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-us-relations-isis-a7616436.html
Also let's not forget Jared Kushner and Trump junior.

Color me unimpressed with these "facts." It really sounds like a total stretch to find any and everyone who ever once talked with a Russian or someone that knew a Russian.

[TECSHARE]

What I know for sure is if almost every member of your entourage has been seen in connections with Russians, you just cannot be clean as a whistle. Zero chances. Impossibru.

Well you are making a claim, yet you refuse to back it up with evidence. This would be quite a convenient cop out for a person with no evidence, but that is not you right? You have all the evidence in the world and presenting it is just beneath you. I mean what kind of heretic asks for evidence anyway right?

Took me 30 minutes.
1. Carter Page ( but admitted that he had worked as an informal adviser to the Russian government.)  https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/22/carter-page-acknowledges-working-as-informal-adviser-to-russia-735559
2. George Papadopoulos (A young foreign policy consultant whom President Trump once praised as an “excellent guy” is the first aide in the Trump campaign to plead guilty in the special counsel’s investigation into ties between the president’s associates and the Russian government.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia-trump.html
3. Michael Flynn (But White House officials said that Mr. Trump was merely acknowledging what had happened the day before: Mr. Flynn’s guilty plea for lying to the F.B.I. about his conversations with Mr. Kislyak.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html
4. Jeffrey “JD” Gordon (The adviser, Jeffrey “JD” Gordon, said he spoke to Sergey Kislyak at the Republican National Convention in July about Mr Trump’s desire to reset the strategic relationship.) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-adviser-jeffrey-jd-gordon-speak-russia-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-us-relations-isis-a7616436.html
Also let's not forget Jared Kushner and Trump junior.

So the entirety of your evidence is guilt via association? Ok, if that is fair game let us break down the association networks between the Democrat party and China shall we?

Guilt via association is of the flimsiest of arguments.

Do you know how FBI interviews work? It is a crime to lie to them, a felony. Pound me in the ass federal prison time in fact.

Essentially in effect, if you make a material statement that is false in ANY WAY, they can decide to send you to prison.  If they ask you the color of the socks you were wearing and you thought they were white, but they were actually grey, you are in violation of the law. If you thought you had lunch with some one at 2:15 and it was 2:17, you can get sent to prison.

Essentially if they get more than about 5 minutes to talk to you they will be able to find some technicality to prosecute you over, or force you to plead guilty to a lesser charge.

Did you know there is a conviction rate in the high 90%s in federal court? Do you know how they maintain numbers as high as 99.8%? They pile on penalties for everything until they have a choice between dying in prison or pleading guilty to whatever the fuck they tell them too, guilty of it or not. It is not hard AT ALL to manufacture these kinds of convictions, especially in an FBI shown to be ACTIVELY COMPLICIT in many of the crimes these people are going after.

[Spendulus]

....
Do you know how FBI interviews work? It is a crime to lie to them, a felony. Pound me in the ass federal prison time in fact.

Essentially in effect, if you make a material statement that is false in ANY WAY, they can decide to send you to prison.  If they ask you the color of the socks you were wearing and you thought they were white, but they were actually grey, you are in violation of the law. If you thought you had lunch with some one at 2:15 and it was 2:17, you can get sent to prison.

Essentially if they get more than about 5 minutes to talk to you they will be able to find some technicality to prosecute you over, or force you to plead guilty to a lesser charge.....

Anyone that does not believe this can simply google it. This is the way they work.

[Cloudy]

A few days ago, Twitter posted a database of tweets from a Russian "bot factory". Activity schedule in Russian (orange) and in English (red).
The orange peak is the period of the annexation of Crimea and downing Boeing MH17 over Donbas and the high red activity is the US presidential election.
As we know massive activity spotted at Facebook, Youtube, Reddit etc. 
So I wonder is any kremlinbots being caught here at bitcointalk or nobody cares?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DptlpFEWkAEubSC.jpg

For those who interested:
the whole database is here https://about.twitter.com/en_us/values/elections-integrity.html#data
tl;dr https://twitter.com/benimmo/status/1052545119826706433

Kremlin bots works for politics. What would they do here?

[ripthesystem]

I also don`t see why they would invade bitcointalk or just any forum for this matter. Forum is only a platform for people to share their opinions, they don`t even decide anything here.
As for activity of Russian bots in social media during those events mentioned, it doesn`t come as something surprising. The USA and Russia have always been on the hostile attitude towards one another, now only the methods are changed.

[Hans17]

IRA in action.

They're here too, not just twitter.

Lemme ask what's IRA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

Another additionak information , https://www.google.com.ph/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/mueller-indictment-internet-research-agency/amp
 I hope this link would help to somehow expand or to enchance your knowledge and also your perspective regards on the topic

[LTU_btc]

I see that Kremlin trolls become more active in recent days when crisis in Kerch strait started. Offcourse, they are blaming Ukraine, Poroshenko, even calling this as provocation from US. But it's very easy to spot fake troll profile - photo taken from internet, empty profile, bad grammar. Their arguments are weak and they can't make constructive discussion with real users. Offcourse, not all of them are trolls - big number of these people are just useful idiots brainwashed by russian propaganda.

I also don`t see why they would invade bitcointalk or just any forum for this matter. Forum is only a platform for people to share their opinions, they don`t even decide anything here.

You're not right. Yes, maybe Bitcointalk isn't their target audience, but as long as we have politics board, we can see some trolls here. I remember they were very active in Bitcointalk in past, but now they are not that visible now. Maybe they got banned or just now focused on other social media platforms.

[byteball]

Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in.

Does the legality REALLY matter that much?
Trump is an expression of a social phenomenon, or, rather, a host of phenomena.
They are an effect of certain causes. Better look at the causes, than argue endlessly/fruitlessly about his legitimacy.

Color me unimpressed with these "facts." It really sounds like a total stretch to find any and everyone who ever once talked with a Russian or someone that knew a Russian.

Because of the excellent USSR education system (not entirely extinct even by now) and other properties of the Soviet regime many Western elite members have Russian wives. (You may argue that they are examples of Ruth/Jehudith Tanakh narratives, however, that would also be sensible). It usually takes one acquaintance away to get to someone with either wife or girlfriend. A Russian-Jewish one.

Funnily enough if you can pass as "Ukrainian" you get a votum of trust from the West. I may start putting "understand spoken Ukrainian" in the Languages section of my resume, and that would increase my chances with Western employers, I guess. (I hope to be mistaken about this, though). I really understand UA due to really interesting events happening in Ukraine, so I watch hours of TV and listen to radio. The next step up this ladder would be to understand spoken Polish without the subtitles.

[TECSHARE]

Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in.

Does the legality REALLY matter that much?
Trump is an expression of a social phenomenon, or, rather, a host of phenomena.
They are an effect of certain causes. Better look at the causes, than argue endlessly/fruitlessly about his legitimacy.

I understand the phenomena that brought Trump into office, it is one happening all over the world. It is important because this is the premise by which the establishment chooses to attempt to delegitimize Trump, and deny that his actions are by mandate of the people. They are also pushing the rhetoric of violence and civil war to the point people are physically attacking people just for wearing a MAGA hat. There have also been attempted assassinations and serious life threatening assaults on Republican lawmakers. It is important because their entire argument hinges on the lie that Russia was involved in putting Trump into office, and not the mandate of the people. I agree the argument is counterproductive, but I am not one who agrees with the premise Russia had any serious influence over getting Trump elected.

[byteball]

They are also pushing the rhetoric of violence and civil war to the point people are physically attacking people just for wearing a MAGA hat.

Same here. Numerous people were attacked in Ukraine for wearing Order_of_St._George ribbon. Originally established November 26, 1769 as the highest military decoration of the Russian Empire by Empress Catherine the Great.
Which is now, in post-Soviet era a symbol of victory in WWII as unifying fact of history for post-Soviet countries. It's officially prohibited in UA unlike MAGA hats in US (yet).
At the same time, you can wave Ukrainian flag in Russia (even in Crimea) and nothing happens (apart from maybe some uneasy looks in your direction - not more). So the level of tolerance is really different.

Interesting also (I was long overlooking this fact in my analysis) that 'gift' of Crimea to Ukrainian SSR was widely rationalised and explained in USSR as 300-years celebrating gift of Union of Pereyaslavl Rada when the successor of Rus of Kiev merged with Moscovy, ending its occupation by Poland/Lithuania. The gift was a "sacrifice" made by Russia in 1954 to immortalise the Union. And neglected politically and economically by Ukraine all the way until 2014 when they suddenly wanted it back.

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They are also pushing the rhetoric of violence and civil war to the point people are physically attacking people just for wearing a MAGA hat.

Same here. Numerous people were attacked in Ukraine for wearing Order_of_St._George ribbon. Originally established November 26, 1769 as the highest military decoration of the Russian Empire by Empress Catherine the Great.
Which is now, in post-Soviet era a symbol of victory in WWII as unifying fact of history for post-Soviet countries. It's officially prohibited in UA unlike MAGA hats in US (yet).
At the same time, you can wave Ukrainian flag in Russia (even in Crimea) and nothing happens (apart from maybe some uneasy looks in your direction - not more). So the level of tolerance is really different.

Interesting also (I was long overlooking this fact in my analysis) that 'gift' of Crimea to Ukrainian SSR was widely rationalised and explained in USSR as 300-years celebrating gift of Union of Pereyaslavl Rada when the successor of Rus of Kiev merged with Moscovy, ending its occupation by Poland/Lithuania. The gift was a "sacrifice" made by Russia in 1954 to immortalise the Union. And neglected politically and economically by Ukraine all the way until 2014 when they suddenly wanted it back.

It seems to me that intelligence operatives within the US and EU establishment cartels moved to overthrow the government of Ukraine and put in place actual open fascists... until that point Russia had no reason to "take Crimea back". However as it is Russia's only warm water port it is of critical strategic military importance, and letting it fall into the sphere of US/EU influence was unacceptable to Russia. Given as how Ukraine was never expected to be divided in this way, I am not at all shocked Russia seized Crimea as the West creeps further East.

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It seems to me that intelligence operatives within the US and EU establishment cartels moved to overthrow the government of Ukraine and put in place actual open fascists... until that point Russia had no reason to "take Crimea back". However as it is Russia's only warm water port it is of critical strategic military importance, and letting it fall into the sphere of US/EU influence was unacceptable to Russia. Given as how Ukraine was never expected to be divided in this way, I am not at all shocked Russia seized Crimea as the West creeps further East.

And it looks like they (establishment cartels) want no more of the current Ukrainian President.
So they cornered him into this Martial Law mess.
But the fight to return Crimea actually began in 1954 (the decision to transfer it was dissented widely), became critical in 1991, when then President of Russia "gifted it again" along with Sevastopol (which was separate) and temporarily lost in 1994 when Ukraine restored control. However, Ukraine failed to "decommunise" and "derussify" the region, and neglected it's economy, so 20 years later it was possible to seize it.
The only people who miss "Ukrainian times" are those who were using the relative lawlessness of 1994-2014 to their advantage. They had a lot of Ukrainian tourists coming in, but Ukraine was richer and could afford vacations in Crimea in those years. Those business people earned their money during the tourist season and did nothing the rest of the year, which became difficult now.

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My thread is still alive but definitely went the wrong way.

put in place actual open fascists...

I know that you like to demand proof so now it's my time to ask. This is quite bold statement, so I'm sure that you got some.

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My thread is still alive but definitely went the wrong way.

put in place actual open fascists...

I know that you like to demand proof so now it's my time to ask. This is quite bold statement, so I'm sure that you got some.

I can prove the fascism, but I think what you are asking is for me to prove that Western intelligence agencies overthrew the elected government. This is always going to be largely debatable due to the very nature of the business of this criminal activity, and the need for plausible deniability, but I think you know this and are taking advantage of this situation. If you want information regarding fascism in the Ukraine let me know I will provide sources.

If you actually have interest in the details of how it was done start a thread about the topic and I will chime in, however I suspect you did this to try to give the impression that I don't meet my own standards of evidence. The difference is this is a related side issue, not the core topic of discussion, and I demand evidence for direct arguments in support of a premise. You are nitpicking a tertiary issue of a somewhat casual discussion.

[Waradlain]

My thread is still alive but definitely went the wrong way.

put in place actual open fascists...

I know that you like to demand proof so now it's my time to ask. This is quite bold statement, so I'm sure that you got some.

I can prove the fascism, but I think what you are asking is for me to prove that Western intelligence agencies overthrew the elected government. This is always going to be largely debatable due to the very nature of the business of this criminal activity, and the need for plausible deniability, but I think you know this and are taking advantage of this situation. If you want information regarding fascism in the Ukraine let me know I will provide sources.

If you actually have interest in the details of how it was done start a thread about the topic and I will chime in, however I suspect you did this to try to give the impression that I don't meet my own standards of evidence. The difference is this is a related side issue, not the core topic of discussion, and I demand evidence for direct arguments in support of a premise. You are nitpicking a tertiary issue of a somewhat casual discussion.

I won't start anything. You came to my thread with a serious allegation, I expect that you have strong evidence of this since we can't assume that your an empty windbag.
So again please

put in place actual open fascists...

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My thread is still alive but definitely went the wrong way.

put in place actual open fascists...

I know that you like to demand proof so now it's my time to ask. This is quite bold statement, so I'm sure that you got some.

I can prove the fascism, but I think what you are asking is for me to prove that Western intelligence agencies overthrew the elected government. This is always going to be largely debatable due to the very nature of the business of this criminal activity, and the need for plausible deniability, but I think you know this and are taking advantage of this situation. If you want information regarding fascism in the Ukraine let me know I will provide sources.

If you actually have interest in the details of how it was done start a thread about the topic and I will chime in, however I suspect you did this to try to give the impression that I don't meet my own standards of evidence. The difference is this is a related side issue, not the core topic of discussion, and I demand evidence for direct arguments in support of a premise. You are nitpicking a tertiary issue of a somewhat casual discussion.

I won't start anything. You came to my thread with a serious allegation, I expect that you have strong evidence of this since we can't assume that your an empty windbag.
So again please

put in place actual open fascists...

I already responded to your criticism, and stated I am more than willing to discuss it. Due to the inherently speculative nature of how real world intelligence operations operate systematically erasing as much data leaving a trail to them as possible, a discussion about this would be quite expansive to the point of being quite off topic in this thread, something which I am not willing to risk to satiate your demands. If you start another thread to discuss this side topic in more detail I would be glad to there, I will however not be addressing it further here.

Anyways lets start with what is already in the open:

http://liberationschool.org/the-roots-of-fascism-in-ukraine/

https://off-guardian.org/2016/11/05/ukraine-fascisms-toe-hold-in-europe/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/29/ukraine-fascists-oligarchs-eu-nato-expansion

https://medium.com/@gmochannel/us-staged-a-coup-in-ukraine-brief-history-and-facts-898c6d0007d6

https://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/22758-meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev

Obama admitted that the United States “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine.”

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/228379-obama-power-transition-ukraine/


https://sputniknews.com/news/201502021017670687/

https://www.rt.com/news/233439-us-meddling-ukraine-crisis/

https://www.rt.com/news/158800-us-biden-ukraine-gas/


​Ron Paul: Western powers fomenting Ukrainian conflict, US should ‘stay out’  

https://www.rt.com/usa/156512-ron-paul-ukraine-war/

[Waradlain]

^__^

Actually expected you put some specific names here.
I see here RT&Sputnik links so won't even open it because after a story with a crucified boy, no self-respecting person will ever read this trash. To understand the idiocy level, it's enough to remember that this piece hit the "Motherland" tv series as an extremely clumsy work of Russian propaganda.
For those who missed this beauty
https://vidos.top/v/1802268.mp4?st=6Hu2hxnX5Jgr_AP3UraGMg&e=1543578715




https://off-guardian.org/2016/11/05/ukraine-fascisms-toe-hold-in-europe/
Oleh Tyahnybok is considered a nationalist in Ukraine, but at the same time has been spotted in connections with Russians. I remind you that in 2014 it was his proposal to ban Russian language that was happily taken up by Russian propaganda and provoked violence in Donbas. Nevertheless, in 2014 his party gained 4.71% and now not even on the map.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/29/ukraine-fascists-oligarchs-eu-nato-expansion

On the 2014 annexation of Crimea, Milne wrote that "western aggression and lawless killing is on another scale entirely from anything Russia appears to have contemplated, let alone carried out – removing any credible basis for the US and its allies to rail against Russian transgressions",[89] and has described the annexation as "clearly defensive",[90] asserting that "the crisis in Ukraine is a product of the disastrous Versailles-style break-up of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s".[89] Oliver Bullough, a journalist who formerly lived in Russia, disagreed with this view, asserting that "the destruction of the USSR was not some Versailles-style treaty imposed from outside.

Srsly? You want me to reply that?

http://liberationschool.org/the-roots-of-fascism-in-ukraine/

Svoboda took a strong leadership position in the Euromaidan coup that grew from a non-violent protest to a militant takeover of the country when far-right organizers began attacking, and eventually killing 17 while injuring nearly 300 law enforcement and anti-EU demonstrators.

Let's start with the fact that there were no "anti-EU demonstrators". There were people from the regions who were brought to Kyiv to the paid "rally".
Author for some reason forgot to mention more than a hundred protesters killed by snipers.

The Donbass War arose in 2014 when the residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts took up arms against the Ukrainian junta and declared themselves independent republics

There was no war between the residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts and Ukrainian junta(sic). Russian military (personnel and retired) came to the region and began to seize administrative buildings. That's how it started.

I won't continue because the whole article is written in this vein.
I feel like I ate shit.
To summarize, I want to say that you've proved that all you can do is talk rubbish based on dubious sources.

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Actually expected you put some specific names here.
I see here RT&Sputnik links so won't even open it because after a story with a crucified boy, no self-respecting person will ever read this trash. To understand the idiocy level, it's enough to remember that this piece hit the "Motherland" tv series as an extremely clumsy work of Russian propaganda.
For those who missed this beauty
https://vidos.top/v/1802268.mp4?st=6Hu2hxnX5Jgr_AP3UraGMg&e=1543578715




https://off-guardian.org/2016/11/05/ukraine-fascisms-toe-hold-in-europe/
Oleh Tyahnybok is considered a nationalist in Ukraine, but at the same time has been spotted in connections with Russians. I remind you that in 2014 it was his proposal to ban Russian language that was happily taken up by Russian propaganda and provoked violence in Donbas. Nevertheless, in 2014 his party gained 4.71% and now not even on the map.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/29/ukraine-fascists-oligarchs-eu-nato-expansion

On the 2014 annexation of Crimea, Milne wrote that "western aggression and lawless killing is on another scale entirely from anything Russia appears to have contemplated, let alone carried out – removing any credible basis for the US and its allies to rail against Russian transgressions",[89] and has described the annexation as "clearly defensive",[90] asserting that "the crisis in Ukraine is a product of the disastrous Versailles-style break-up of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s".[89] Oliver Bullough, a journalist who formerly lived in Russia, disagreed with this view, asserting that "the destruction of the USSR was not some Versailles-style treaty imposed from outside.

Srsly? You want me to reply that?

Svoboda took a strong leadership position in the Euromaidan coup that grew from a non-violent protest to a militant takeover of the country when far-right organizers began attacking, and eventually killing 17 while injuring nearly 300 law enforcement and anti-EU demonstrators.

Let's start with the fact that there were no "anti-EU demonstrators". There were people from the regions who were brought to Kyiv to the paid "rally".
Author for some reason forgot to mention more than a hundred protesters killed by snipers.

The Donbass War arose in 2014 when the residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts took up arms against the Ukrainian junta and declared themselves independent republics

There was no war between the residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts and Ukrainian junta(sic). Russian military (personnel and retired) came to the region and began to seize administrative buildings. That's how it started.

I won't continue because the whole article is written in this vein.
I feel like I ate shit.
To summarize, I want to say that you've proved that all you can do is talk rubbish based on dubious sources.

Hey if you can't argue the contents, attack the source. It is a lot simpler. I am not claiming every last word in those sources are reputable, but they also contain documentation of matters of fact, events, quotes, history that can be verified via 3rd party sources. This premise is by no means some fringe conspiracy theory is the point as this is a widely held view outside of the general Western MSM echo chamber. This is covert warfare, nothing is ever going to be clearly outlined, or be exactly what it appears to be. I have nothing else to say on this topic unless you want to start a specific thread related to it, as it is too far off topic for this one.

That said, once again this is yet aanother side issue and red herring to distract from the more relevant point that Crimea was a CRITICAL STRATEGIC MILITARY ASSET for Russia. Without this, their only warm water port, their navy would be largely neutered. Now this is not justification for any of their actions, past the point of maybe an argument for self preservation of the nation. Given the historical relationship between the two nations, I don't see them taking control of the military base/port as completely unexpected or unreasonable.

It would be like if the US had a military base in Puerto Rico forever and it suddenly declared independence, only the US wouldn't depend on a base in Puerto Rico, Russia does depend on controlling their base in Crimea however. In such an instance I don't think many nations would try to stand in the way of the US maintaining its base if it had such a critical relationship to its national security.

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“What is clear is that all of the messaging clearly sought to benefit the Republican Party — and specifically Donald Trump,” the report says. “Trump is mentioned most in campaigns targeting conservatives and right-wing voters, where the messaging encouraged these groups to support his campaign. The main groups that could challenge Trump were then provided messaging that sought to confuse, distract and ultimately discourage members from voting.”

Researchers also noted that the data includes evidence of sloppiness by the Russians that could have led to earlier detection, including the use of Russia’s currency, the ruble, to buy ads and Russian phone numbers for contact information. The operatives also left behind technical signatures in computerized logs, such as Internet addresses in St. Petersburg, where the IRA was based.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/16/new-report-russian-disinformation-prepared-senate-shows-operations-scale-sweep/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e7064a2e96bf



Can anyone explain why such "investigations" leak so slowly and so meteredly? As we understand that all info has long been collected and ready to be published.

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IRA in action.

They're here too, not just twitter.

Thought you meant the irish IRA. Must be awake working at the IRA for that reason.

It seems to me that this whole russian bot thing is massively over hyped. I doubt their influence is nearly as big as everyone thinks. It was proved recently that russia only spent $4,000 on the US election in 2016

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“What is clear is that all of the messaging clearly sought to benefit the Republican Party — and specifically Donald Trump,” the report says. “Trump is mentioned most in campaigns targeting conservatives and right-wing voters, where the messaging encouraged these groups to support his campaign. The main groups that could challenge Trump were then provided messaging that sought to confuse, distract and ultimately discourage members from voting.”

Researchers also noted that the data includes evidence of sloppiness by the Russians that could have led to earlier detection, including the use of Russia’s currency, the ruble, to buy ads and Russian phone numbers for contact information. The operatives also left behind technical signatures in computerized logs, such as Internet addresses in St. Petersburg, where the IRA was based.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/16/new-report-russian-disinformation-prepared-senate-shows-operations-scale-sweep/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e7064a2e96bf



Can anyone explain why such "investigations" leak so slowly and so meteredly? As we understand that all info has long been collected and ready to be published.

Yeah, your article behind a paywall is very convincing. "As you understand" you need to understand you have been sold a load of horse shit, and think you have a barrel of apples. Bite into one and see how it tastes.