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Pretty sure that bitcointalk is targeted by more focused attacks. I'm sure they've built a framework to work together to control the misinformation/disinformation campaign here.

Pretty sure it's due to the compromising material that Russia has on Trump.

[TECSHARE]

Get back to it next year.

So in other words you have zero evidence and this is just a really long, expensive, drawn out, taxpayer funded smear campaign. Thank you.

Are you employed by the hostile foreign nation state entity? Really, you seem like a sycophant when it comes to Russia. Makes me wonder who pays you to spread misinformation and FUD.

The evidence of the investigation is there. The evidence that Trump committed treason is in public. Really, it's about convincing the general public that Trump's guilty, which won't happen until congress flips.

Evidence of an investigation is not evidence of guilt. If the evidence is so public you will have no problem specifying exactly what evidence you have now will you? I am a sycophant for asking you to support your claims with evidence? No one pays me, my payment is demonstrating to the world how delusional you are by simple Socratic method. You know what the public needs to be convinced? Evidence.

Get back to it next year.

So in other words you have zero evidence and this is just a really long, expensive, drawn out, taxpayer funded smear campaign. Thank you.

No pal, in other words I don't find it reasonable ot spend time arguing with you. At least for the moment.
What I know for sure is if almost every member of your entourage has been seen in connections with Russians, you just cannot be clean as a whistle. Zero chances. Impossibru.

Well you are making a claim, yet you refuse to back it up with evidence. This would be quite a convenient cop out for a person with no evidence, but that is not you right? You have all the evidence in the world and presenting it is just beneath you. I mean what kind of heretic asks for evidence anyway right?

My entourage? What? I am American born and raised, and you are a loon.

[Waradlain]

Twitter is a huge worldwide platform where public opinion can be swayed. Why would Russia waste time with their bot armies on a bitcoin forum? Without evidence it's probably not even worth postulating.

You will be surprised but their activity is noticed not only on global services such as Twitter or YT but also on absolutely non-political (but at the same time quite popular) ones. Let's say popular with teens Pikabu.ru which is Russian wannabe-reddit or Lepra.ru.
When you have almost unlimited budget you can cover a huge number of sites. But on the other hand I didn't claim that there are such users here too.

My entourage? What? I am American born and raised, and you are a loon.

If you read again you'll see that I didn't mean you personally.
Loon isn't the worse word people called me on the Internet.

[TECSHARE]

My entourage? What? I am American born and raised, and you are a loon.

If you read again you'll see that I didn't mean you personally.
Loon isn't the worse word people called me on the Internet.

Yes, I suppose your ambiguous statement was my fault. Really my goal wasn't to say the worst thing.

[Waradlain]

What I know for sure is if almost every member of your entourage has been seen in connections with Russians, you just cannot be clean as a whistle. Zero chances. Impossibru.

Well you are making a claim, yet you refuse to back it up with evidence. This would be quite a convenient cop out for a person with no evidence, but that is not you right? You have all the evidence in the world and presenting it is just beneath you. I mean what kind of heretic asks for evidence anyway right?

Took me 30 minutes.
1. Carter Page ( but admitted that he had worked as an informal adviser to the Russian government.)  https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/22/carter-page-acknowledges-working-as-informal-adviser-to-russia-735559
2. George Papadopoulos (A young foreign policy consultant whom President Trump once praised as an “excellent guy” is the first aide in the Trump campaign to plead guilty in the special counsel’s investigation into ties between the president’s associates and the Russian government.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia-trump.html
3. Michael Flynn (But White House officials said that Mr. Trump was merely acknowledging what had happened the day before: Mr. Flynn’s guilty plea for lying to the F.B.I. about his conversations with Mr. Kislyak.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html
4. Jeffrey “JD” Gordon (The adviser, Jeffrey “JD” Gordon, said he spoke to Sergey Kislyak at the Republican National Convention in July about Mr Trump’s desire to reset the strategic relationship.) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-adviser-jeffrey-jd-gordon-speak-russia-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-us-relations-isis-a7616436.html
Also let's not forget Jared Kushner and Trump junior.

[squatz1]

so hard, many measure, literally from the link provided.

Comeys letter literally has nothing to do with the Russia probe, it is in relation to the Clinton email probe. I’m at least pretty sure this is correft.

[Spendulus]

What I know for sure is if almost every member of your entourage has been seen in connections with Russians, you just cannot be clean as a whistle. Zero chances. Impossibru.

Well you are making a claim, yet you refuse to back it up with evidence. This would be quite a convenient cop out for a person with no evidence, but that is not you right? You have all the evidence in the world and presenting it is just beneath you. I mean what kind of heretic asks for evidence anyway right?

Took me 30 minutes.
1. Carter Page ( but admitted that he had worked as an informal adviser to the Russian government.)  https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/22/carter-page-acknowledges-working-as-informal-adviser-to-russia-735559
2. George Papadopoulos (A young foreign policy consultant whom President Trump once praised as an “excellent guy” is the first aide in the Trump campaign to plead guilty in the special counsel’s investigation into ties between the president’s associates and the Russian government.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia-trump.html
3. Michael Flynn (But White House officials said that Mr. Trump was merely acknowledging what had happened the day before: Mr. Flynn’s guilty plea for lying to the F.B.I. about his conversations with Mr. Kislyak.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html
4. Jeffrey “JD” Gordon (The adviser, Jeffrey “JD” Gordon, said he spoke to Sergey Kislyak at the Republican National Convention in July about Mr Trump’s desire to reset the strategic relationship.) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-adviser-jeffrey-jd-gordon-speak-russia-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-us-relations-isis-a7616436.html
Also let's not forget Jared Kushner and Trump junior.

Color me unimpressed with these "facts." It really sounds like a total stretch to find any and everyone who ever once talked with a Russian or someone that knew a Russian.

[TECSHARE]

What I know for sure is if almost every member of your entourage has been seen in connections with Russians, you just cannot be clean as a whistle. Zero chances. Impossibru.

Well you are making a claim, yet you refuse to back it up with evidence. This would be quite a convenient cop out for a person with no evidence, but that is not you right? You have all the evidence in the world and presenting it is just beneath you. I mean what kind of heretic asks for evidence anyway right?

Took me 30 minutes.
1. Carter Page ( but admitted that he had worked as an informal adviser to the Russian government.)  https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/22/carter-page-acknowledges-working-as-informal-adviser-to-russia-735559
2. George Papadopoulos (A young foreign policy consultant whom President Trump once praised as an “excellent guy” is the first aide in the Trump campaign to plead guilty in the special counsel’s investigation into ties between the president’s associates and the Russian government.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia-trump.html
3. Michael Flynn (But White House officials said that Mr. Trump was merely acknowledging what had happened the day before: Mr. Flynn’s guilty plea for lying to the F.B.I. about his conversations with Mr. Kislyak.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html
4. Jeffrey “JD” Gordon (The adviser, Jeffrey “JD” Gordon, said he spoke to Sergey Kislyak at the Republican National Convention in July about Mr Trump’s desire to reset the strategic relationship.) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-adviser-jeffrey-jd-gordon-speak-russia-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-us-relations-isis-a7616436.html
Also let's not forget Jared Kushner and Trump junior.

So the entirety of your evidence is guilt via association? Ok, if that is fair game let us break down the association networks between the Democrat party and China shall we?

Guilt via association is of the flimsiest of arguments.

Do you know how FBI interviews work? It is a crime to lie to them, a felony. Pound me in the ass federal prison time in fact.

Essentially in effect, if you make a material statement that is false in ANY WAY, they can decide to send you to prison.  If they ask you the color of the socks you were wearing and you thought they were white, but they were actually grey, you are in violation of the law. If you thought you had lunch with some one at 2:15 and it was 2:17, you can get sent to prison.

Essentially if they get more than about 5 minutes to talk to you they will be able to find some technicality to prosecute you over, or force you to plead guilty to a lesser charge.

Did you know there is a conviction rate in the high 90%s in federal court? Do you know how they maintain numbers as high as 99.8%? They pile on penalties for everything until they have a choice between dying in prison or pleading guilty to whatever the fuck they tell them too, guilty of it or not. It is not hard AT ALL to manufacture these kinds of convictions, especially in an FBI shown to be ACTIVELY COMPLICIT in many of the crimes these people are going after.

[Spendulus]

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Do you know how FBI interviews work? It is a crime to lie to them, a felony. Pound me in the ass federal prison time in fact.

Essentially in effect, if you make a material statement that is false in ANY WAY, they can decide to send you to prison.  If they ask you the color of the socks you were wearing and you thought they were white, but they were actually grey, you are in violation of the law. If you thought you had lunch with some one at 2:15 and it was 2:17, you can get sent to prison.

Essentially if they get more than about 5 minutes to talk to you they will be able to find some technicality to prosecute you over, or force you to plead guilty to a lesser charge.....

Anyone that does not believe this can simply google it. This is the way they work.

[Cloudy]

A few days ago, Twitter posted a database of tweets from a Russian "bot factory". Activity schedule in Russian (orange) and in English (red).
The orange peak is the period of the annexation of Crimea and downing Boeing MH17 over Donbas and the high red activity is the US presidential election.
As we know massive activity spotted at Facebook, Youtube, Reddit etc. 
So I wonder is any kremlinbots being caught here at bitcointalk or nobody cares?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DptlpFEWkAEubSC.jpg

For those who interested:
the whole database is here https://about.twitter.com/en_us/values/elections-integrity.html#data
tl;dr https://twitter.com/benimmo/status/1052545119826706433

Kremlin bots works for politics. What would they do here?

[ripthesystem]

I also don`t see why they would invade bitcointalk or just any forum for this matter. Forum is only a platform for people to share their opinions, they don`t even decide anything here.
As for activity of Russian bots in social media during those events mentioned, it doesn`t come as something surprising. The USA and Russia have always been on the hostile attitude towards one another, now only the methods are changed.

[Hans17]

IRA in action.

They're here too, not just twitter.

Lemme ask what's IRA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

Another additionak information , https://www.google.com.ph/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/mueller-indictment-internet-research-agency/amp
 I hope this link would help to somehow expand or to enchance your knowledge and also your perspective regards on the topic

[LTU_btc]

I see that Kremlin trolls become more active in recent days when crisis in Kerch strait started. Offcourse, they are blaming Ukraine, Poroshenko, even calling this as provocation from US. But it's very easy to spot fake troll profile - photo taken from internet, empty profile, bad grammar. Their arguments are weak and they can't make constructive discussion with real users. Offcourse, not all of them are trolls - big number of these people are just useful idiots brainwashed by russian propaganda.

I also don`t see why they would invade bitcointalk or just any forum for this matter. Forum is only a platform for people to share their opinions, they don`t even decide anything here.

You're not right. Yes, maybe Bitcointalk isn't their target audience, but as long as we have politics board, we can see some trolls here. I remember they were very active in Bitcointalk in past, but now they are not that visible now. Maybe they got banned or just now focused on other social media platforms.

[byteball]

Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in.

Does the legality REALLY matter that much?
Trump is an expression of a social phenomenon, or, rather, a host of phenomena.
They are an effect of certain causes. Better look at the causes, than argue endlessly/fruitlessly about his legitimacy.

Color me unimpressed with these "facts." It really sounds like a total stretch to find any and everyone who ever once talked with a Russian or someone that knew a Russian.

Because of the excellent USSR education system (not entirely extinct even by now) and other properties of the Soviet regime many Western elite members have Russian wives. (You may argue that they are examples of Ruth/Jehudith Tanakh narratives, however, that would also be sensible). It usually takes one acquaintance away to get to someone with either wife or girlfriend. A Russian-Jewish one.

Funnily enough if you can pass as "Ukrainian" you get a votum of trust from the West. I may start putting "understand spoken Ukrainian" in the Languages section of my resume, and that would increase my chances with Western employers, I guess. (I hope to be mistaken about this, though). I really understand UA due to really interesting events happening in Ukraine, so I watch hours of TV and listen to radio. The next step up this ladder would be to understand spoken Polish without the subtitles.

[TECSHARE]

Whatever it takes for you to continue the delusion that Trump was not legally voted in.

Does the legality REALLY matter that much?
Trump is an expression of a social phenomenon, or, rather, a host of phenomena.
They are an effect of certain causes. Better look at the causes, than argue endlessly/fruitlessly about his legitimacy.

I understand the phenomena that brought Trump into office, it is one happening all over the world. It is important because this is the premise by which the establishment chooses to attempt to delegitimize Trump, and deny that his actions are by mandate of the people. They are also pushing the rhetoric of violence and civil war to the point people are physically attacking people just for wearing a MAGA hat. There have also been attempted assassinations and serious life threatening assaults on Republican lawmakers. It is important because their entire argument hinges on the lie that Russia was involved in putting Trump into office, and not the mandate of the people. I agree the argument is counterproductive, but I am not one who agrees with the premise Russia had any serious influence over getting Trump elected.

[byteball]

They are also pushing the rhetoric of violence and civil war to the point people are physically attacking people just for wearing a MAGA hat.

Same here. Numerous people were attacked in Ukraine for wearing Order_of_St._George ribbon. Originally established November 26, 1769 as the highest military decoration of the Russian Empire by Empress Catherine the Great.
Which is now, in post-Soviet era a symbol of victory in WWII as unifying fact of history for post-Soviet countries. It's officially prohibited in UA unlike MAGA hats in US (yet).
At the same time, you can wave Ukrainian flag in Russia (even in Crimea) and nothing happens (apart from maybe some uneasy looks in your direction - not more). So the level of tolerance is really different.

Interesting also (I was long overlooking this fact in my analysis) that 'gift' of Crimea to Ukrainian SSR was widely rationalised and explained in USSR as 300-years celebrating gift of Union of Pereyaslavl Rada when the successor of Rus of Kiev merged with Moscovy, ending its occupation by Poland/Lithuania. The gift was a "sacrifice" made by Russia in 1954 to immortalise the Union. And neglected politically and economically by Ukraine all the way until 2014 when they suddenly wanted it back.

[TECSHARE]

They are also pushing the rhetoric of violence and civil war to the point people are physically attacking people just for wearing a MAGA hat.

Same here. Numerous people were attacked in Ukraine for wearing Order_of_St._George ribbon. Originally established November 26, 1769 as the highest military decoration of the Russian Empire by Empress Catherine the Great.
Which is now, in post-Soviet era a symbol of victory in WWII as unifying fact of history for post-Soviet countries. It's officially prohibited in UA unlike MAGA hats in US (yet).
At the same time, you can wave Ukrainian flag in Russia (even in Crimea) and nothing happens (apart from maybe some uneasy looks in your direction - not more). So the level of tolerance is really different.

Interesting also (I was long overlooking this fact in my analysis) that 'gift' of Crimea to Ukrainian SSR was widely rationalised and explained in USSR as 300-years celebrating gift of Union of Pereyaslavl Rada when the successor of Rus of Kiev merged with Moscovy, ending its occupation by Poland/Lithuania. The gift was a "sacrifice" made by Russia in 1954 to immortalise the Union. And neglected politically and economically by Ukraine all the way until 2014 when they suddenly wanted it back.

It seems to me that intelligence operatives within the US and EU establishment cartels moved to overthrow the government of Ukraine and put in place actual open fascists... until that point Russia had no reason to "take Crimea back". However as it is Russia's only warm water port it is of critical strategic military importance, and letting it fall into the sphere of US/EU influence was unacceptable to Russia. Given as how Ukraine was never expected to be divided in this way, I am not at all shocked Russia seized Crimea as the West creeps further East.

[byteball]

It seems to me that intelligence operatives within the US and EU establishment cartels moved to overthrow the government of Ukraine and put in place actual open fascists... until that point Russia had no reason to "take Crimea back". However as it is Russia's only warm water port it is of critical strategic military importance, and letting it fall into the sphere of US/EU influence was unacceptable to Russia. Given as how Ukraine was never expected to be divided in this way, I am not at all shocked Russia seized Crimea as the West creeps further East.

And it looks like they (establishment cartels) want no more of the current Ukrainian President.
So they cornered him into this Martial Law mess.
But the fight to return Crimea actually began in 1954 (the decision to transfer it was dissented widely), became critical in 1991, when then President of Russia "gifted it again" along with Sevastopol (which was separate) and temporarily lost in 1994 when Ukraine restored control. However, Ukraine failed to "decommunise" and "derussify" the region, and neglected it's economy, so 20 years later it was possible to seize it.
The only people who miss "Ukrainian times" are those who were using the relative lawlessness of 1994-2014 to their advantage. They had a lot of Ukrainian tourists coming in, but Ukraine was richer and could afford vacations in Crimea in those years. Those business people earned their money during the tourist season and did nothing the rest of the year, which became difficult now.

[Waradlain]

My thread is still alive but definitely went the wrong way.

put in place actual open fascists...

I know that you like to demand proof so now it's my time to ask. This is quite bold statement, so I'm sure that you got some.

[TECSHARE]

My thread is still alive but definitely went the wrong way.

put in place actual open fascists...

I know that you like to demand proof so now it's my time to ask. This is quite bold statement, so I'm sure that you got some.

I can prove the fascism, but I think what you are asking is for me to prove that Western intelligence agencies overthrew the elected government. This is always going to be largely debatable due to the very nature of the business of this criminal activity, and the need for plausible deniability, but I think you know this and are taking advantage of this situation. If you want information regarding fascism in the Ukraine let me know I will provide sources.

If you actually have interest in the details of how it was done start a thread about the topic and I will chime in, however I suspect you did this to try to give the impression that I don't meet my own standards of evidence. The difference is this is a related side issue, not the core topic of discussion, and I demand evidence for direct arguments in support of a premise. You are nitpicking a tertiary issue of a somewhat casual discussion.