Cheaters are Destroying the System, How can we Deal with them?

[Erik_Smuel]

Hi guys,
In the last 4 months i noted that a lot of people are creating many accounts (fake accounts) to participate in the bounties as multi accounts per user and as we all know that one of the main rules for every bounty is to use only one accounts per user.

Cheaters are greedy and harmful
Cheaters are not greedy they are so greedy, in the beginning they starting with two or three fake accounts then after a while they became having many fake accounts per one user.
They are not only so greedy but also harming, because after a while they starting to harm other bounty hunters, as an example for the reddit campaign they are using their fake accounts to downvotes the other hunters in order to decrease their stakes which logically will go to them because they are using their fake accounts to get a lot of upvotes.
Another example is for the blog/article campaign, the campaign that are beeing attacked by a lot of cheaters in the last months, they are using fake bitcointalks accounts to steal hunters' articles and adding their wallets.

These cheaters are destroying the system, they collecting a lot of tokens for each project and then sell them immediately when the project hit the exchange causing a dump in the price which also causes another loss for the investors.

I had saw a lot of cheaters and i know a lot of fake accounts on twitter, facebook, reddit, medium and bitcointalk accounts. i have a big list of cheaters but then what? every time i report tens of them i see hundreds coming and if i continued doing that i'm losing a lot of time hunting them, we need a creative solution to stop the cheaters, we want a clear and perfect system to stop and prevent them from the beginning..

Why i'm writting this topic?
my purpose from this topic is to discuss with you guys how can we stop the cheaters, i hope everyone can share here his visoin on how to stop them and after that we'll clarify and filter all the replies to get the basic rules that can be used by the bounties' managers to prevent the cheaters from being exist.
Also what is your opinion for sharing here all the cheaters accounts so they'll we known by us, so everyone can reports them to the bounties' managers for the bounties that we are participating in.

[nthere]

Getting kyc information beforehand can solve the problem on ICO site. But forum cannot handle this for each user, even it's a bad idea about anonymity.
Also, we see huge topics contain the same content on each page of it. The reason is signature campaigns. Lots of good information disappears within this garbage.

[i7claufe]

This is the bad side of being anonymous, anyone can make new accounts as much as they want.
Some bounties require KYC on the first go, and some ask for KYC after the bounty is done, this may save us from a few cheaters but not them all!

[sudeshkumar]

Cheaters are not only destroying the system but effecting the initial faith of the investors in the market ,we are in the crypyo market which is technology based market, it has the potential to coup with such type of cheaters.

[nreal]

I think this forum requires a merit to get Jr.member, which also significantly reduces the number of cheaters. I also recently read a topic that talks about developing cheaters detection tools through transactions between wallets, I hope it will soon be applied.

[santouao]

For multiusers, I think KYC is a good way or option to block them. So they cant claim on some of their multi accounts participants. But now they are good they joined those campaigns that dont need KYC so they can be safe. Also as we go further, I think theymos can strict his rule to more conservative like making member rank 20 oe 30 junior 10 to really abolish spammers and cheaters. This will hurt a lot espwcially hunters bit to clean the forum is much way important than doing bounty.

[iconoclast]

Sorry but I don't agree that raising merit requirements will stop people cheating on bounties. They are cheaters, they will just buy merit to get around that obstacle. I would stop looking for Bitcointalk to solve all your cheating problems as they are struggling themselves to stop people selling profiles and merit. If you do want to get rid of people using multiple identities to cheat bounties then the best way to do that is announce that every participant will have to complete KYC before getting any tokens. The cheaters won't bother to sign up.

[Sri rahayu]

I think this forum requires a merit to get Jr.member, which also significantly reduces the number of cheaters. I also recently read a topic that talks about developing cheaters detection tools through transactions between wallets, I hope it will soon be applied.

What tools do you mean? please give me a link about the discussion.

This has long been applied, look at the member given a red trust by DT, there are several bounty managers who actively do that, but unfortunately, they did it without clarifying the truth is the member truly multi account or not. My advice, for each member can report this fraud in a way, every time you join the bounty program, please pay attention to the member who joined, if there is fraud, don't hesitate to report it to BM.

[cytpoway121]

I'm not sure about multiple accounts as you say because bounty projects now revert to kyc for participants

Not only that I do not agree that bounty hunters dumps the market

No I disagree, bounty hunters get less than 1% of total supply

That's to low to crash a market

[REYVAN]

I'm not sure about multiple accounts as you say because bounty projects now revert to kyc for participants

Not only that I do not agree that bounty hunters dumps the market

No I disagree, bounty hunters get less than 1% of total supply

That's to low to crash a market

but that can still happen for campaigns that do not require KYC, I experienced the case several times, and I can only report to the bounty manager so that the fake account is banned from the campaign. for the supply itself depends on each of the 2 projects and it could be 1-5% of the allocation given if the bounty hunter does a dump, I'm sure it can't if the project manager indeed able to manage from the reward distribution system. and able to gifts reward fairly to those who are entitled.

[thesmallgod]

There are many way to deal with this but this will be impossible if the campaign manager is lazy. The first is through introduction of KYC.this has nothing to do with the campaign manager because the Project team will be in charge of this. The second means is applicable to some specific campaign such as media campaign. this involve
(1) Making all hunters to write proof of Authentication
(2) Adding of Wallet address to media posts.
(3) permanent ban of any account caught cheating
other means is direct reporting of possible cheaters by bounty hunters caught cheating. Some lazy ass will copy somones work and register it with their ETH address.

[Hanebel]

That should make us realize the importance of KYC in bounty campaign. Moreover, there are few bounty managers here that try to solve this issue by posting authentication posts. It should now be the priority of the managers to filter who are the scammers and who are being honest. Scammers will always be scammers, managers should exert more efforts, I suggest.

[zacad]

Hi guys,
In the last 4 months i noted that a lot of people are creating many accounts (fake accounts) to participate in the bounties as multi accounts per user and as we all know that one of the main rules for every bounty is to use only one accounts per user.

Cheaters are greedy and harmful
Cheaters are not greedy they are so greedy, in the beginning they starting with two or three fake accounts then after a while they became having many fake accounts per one user.
They are not only so greedy but also harming, because after a while they starting to harm other bounty hunters, as an example for the reddit campaign they are using their fake accounts to downvotes the other hunters in order to decrease their stakes which logically will go to them because they are using their fake accounts to get a lot of upvotes.
Another example is for the blog/article campaign, the campaign that are beeing attacked by a lot of cheaters in the last months, they are using fake bitcointalks accounts to steal hunters' articles and adding their wallets.

These cheaters are destroying the system, they collecting a lot of tokens for each project and then sell them immediately when the project hit the exchange causing a dump in the price which also causes another loss for the investors.

I had saw a lot of cheaters and i know a lot of fake accounts on twitter, facebook, reddit, medium and bitcointalk accounts. i have a big list of cheaters but then what? every time i report tens of them i see hundreds coming and if i continued doing that i'm losing a lot of time hunting them, we need a creative solution to stop the cheaters, we want a clear and perfect system to stop and prevent them from the beginning..

Why i'm writting this topic?
my purpose from this topic is to discuss with you guys how can we stop the cheaters, i hope everyone can share here his visoin on how to stop them and after that we'll clarify and filter all the replies to get the basic rules that can be used by the bounties' managers to prevent the cheaters from being exist.
Also what is your opinion for sharing here all the cheaters accounts so they'll we known by us, so everyone can reports them to the bounties' managers for the bounties that we are participating in.

In fact, such things are hard to avoid. Multiple accounts do not violate forum rules, so it cannot be avoided. In addition, dozens of bounties are posted every day in this forum, and we can't ask each bounty manager to be as strict as yahoo.

[qazgroup]

I think no bounty campaign allows multiple accounts, if you participate in a single campaign with multiple accounts they will track and blacklist you and will not send you any tokens, if you read the rules for eaxh bounty campaign you will see it is written clearly in each campaign.

[bisdak40]

I'm not sure about multiple accounts as you say because bounty projects now revert to kyc for participants

Cheaters always find ways how to deal with KYC if needed in bounty campaign.

No I disagree, bounty hunters get less than 1% of total supply

That's to low to crash a market

It is true, bounties are just a small percentage of the whole supply that even if dumped they still can't caused major changes of the price of the token. I have known of an ICO wherein the tokens price dip even if bounties were not given yet so i assumed that it is not all the time that the bounty hunters are causing the dip of the price.

[EdenHazard]

I think no bounty campaign allows multiple accounts, if you participate in a single campaign with multiple accounts they will track and blacklist you and will not send you any tokens, if you read the rules for eaxh bounty campaign you will see it is written clearly in each campaign.

Those who use multiple accounts are not stupid, they will do many ways so that others are not known, especially the bounty manager. One other way to deal with this issue is, every bounty manager must implement strict regulations, especially for those who take part in the signature campaign. Each signature campaign participant must make a constructive post in large numbers, so that those who take part with several accounts will be overwhelmed by the existing rules.

[Brawnsugar]

Sometimes bounty managers focus on the numbers and the success of the bounty program and care less about implementing stringent measures in tackling fraudulent participants. As much we try to kick against KYCs, I think it's a veritable tool in curbing the menace of cheaters in different bounties. There are several problems KYC helps to solve, from multiple registrations from one person to cheats who claim the stakes of others by duplication their name on the spreadsheet. 

A lot of Bounty hunters are anti-KYC, and will be the first to cry foul when cheaters do their thing. So, for me it's expedient that bounty managers implement and this must be done ab initio, it must be part of the general rules of the bounty and not introduced midway or at the end of the campaign. This give the bounty hunter the choice of deciding whether or not participate in a bounty which KYC is required.

[Vaniaayu]

with a lot of fake accounts popping up, this is because the total supply for bounty hunters is very little, so in my opinion don't be unilaterally prosecuted.
try as in previous years the total supply is up to 25% to 30%.
in my opinion this also needs to be corrected

[ambisyon]

I think these cheaters knows about their violation such as doing many accounts in the forum wherein they are greedy since most probably they wanted to join as many bounty campaign they want. I hope these people should refrain there doings as this is not a healthy environment and it's more of a very individualistic personal interest for their own advantage.

[CreamIce]

Cheaters are not only destroying the system but effecting the initial faith of the investors in the market ,we are in the crypyo market which is technology based market, it has the potential to coup with such type of cheaters.

There are bound to be some implications with the characteristics of this market. However, I do agree that technology will give us a way to coup with this. I also believe that we need some sort of regulations(a lot of people might not agree on this). In my opinion, if everything is in moderation, regulations are good to boost confidence and build faith in the market.