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October 30, 2018, 08:15:47 PM
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The Whales buy and sell based on when other traders are buying and selling.

Because they buy and sell in such large amounts, the whales can only buy a Crypto when lots of other traders/investors are selling it, and can only sell when lots of other traders/investors are buying it.

In other words....

When the price is rising, the whales CANNOT buy. They only buy when the price is falling, as that's the only time when enough people are willing to sell to them. Same goes for selling. The whales CANNOT sell when the price is falling. They can only sell when the price is rising, because that's when lots of other traders/investors are buying.

They can't sell unless others are buying and can't buy unless others are selling.
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October 30, 2018, 08:16:14 PM
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Whales might not want the technicalities of the crypto ecosystem but as far as I know they are smart enough not to fund a shitty project which tells me they have the basic information to steer themselves away from shitcoins, so indicators are needed at all levels, the only difference is the interpretation of the data at hand!

 
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October 30, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
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Everyone needs an indicators to predict the next move, it's just like patterns that you read the movement of your enemy but instead of enemy, we call it as a price, stocks, marketcap, etc. Without this we are going blind and it is too hard to predict the next movement of the crypto currency but with such patterns on the chart you can tell already on what would be the next crypto currency that's going to pump and the next one to dump.
The indicators are just the signs but it is not a fact that it will come true always so most of the people don't follow the indicators or any technical analysis but still they were doing this as gambling and made money if they are lucky enough.
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October 30, 2018, 09:20:44 PM
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The whales and big investors did not need indicators both (technical and fundamentals indicators) before buying or selling Cryptocoins.  This has just made me to believe that the indicators are just there for me and you to lose money and not to make money as the price will still go against you no matter how intelligent you are in technical analysis.  The market seeing to make it own mind and that is to say the whales push it to any direction they decide at a particular time.

I disagree with you on this because I believe that technical analysis is actually important or if not that at least following the news and I also think that big investors also care about this when looking to buy coins because otherwise they might just as well throw that money away - which is unlikely.

 
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October 30, 2018, 09:37:56 PM
 #45

Everyone needs an indicators to predict the next move, it's just like patterns that you read the movement of your enemy but instead of enemy, we call it as a price, stocks, marketcap, etc. Without this we are going blind and it is too hard to predict the next movement of the crypto currency but with such patterns on the chart you can tell already on what would be the next crypto currency that's going to pump and the next one to dump.
The indicators are just the signs but it is not a fact that it will come true always so most of the people don't follow the indicators or any technical analysis but still they were doing this as gambling and made money if they are lucky enough.
With this volatile market we can really say that this is similar to gambling but I don't believe that most people are treating it this way.We know that market is very volatile so we are aware that
any analysis will not really be precise as we predicted but atleast we have our own ways to utilize it even its not accurate but it is always a better option.

 
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October 30, 2018, 10:04:57 PM
 #46

Everyone needs an indicators to predict the next move, it's just like patterns that you read the movement of your enemy but instead of enemy, we call it as a price, stocks, marketcap, etc. Without this we are going blind and it is too hard to predict the next movement of the crypto currency but with such patterns on the chart you can tell already on what would be the next crypto currency that's going to pump and the next one to dump.
The indicators are just the signs but it is not a fact that it will come true always so most of the people don't follow the indicators or any technical analysis but still they were doing this as gambling and made money if they are lucky enough.
With this volatile market we can really say that this is similar to gambling but I don't believe that most people are treating it this way.We know that market is very volatile so we are aware that
any analysis will not really be precise as we predicted but atleast we have our own ways to utilize it even its not accurate but it is always a better option.
Like what everyone said, no one can predict market because many factors that affect it. But do analysis by ourself is good because we can do this thing to trade in other coin or other trading activity. it is better than lucky guess where market will go.

 
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November 03, 2018, 08:40:55 AM
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I disagree with you on this because I believe that technical analysis is actually important or if not that at least following the news and I also think that big investors also care about this when looking to buy coins because otherwise they might just as well throw that money away - which is unlikely.
Thing is Technical Analysis is not everyone's cup of tea. It a totally different branch and it needs intellectual and educated people to actually understand and apply it. Not that every next door get-rich-quick wannabe trader would be able to profit from it. What happens is that due to peer pressure some wannabes like the OP, enter the market hoping to make some profit by their "friend" who gave them some tips of TA. Fact is most people are like that wont use their own brains to decide their trading methods.

End of the day the "friend" goes to a profit because they sold when the person in question bought and thats what they were actually doing altogether. Trying to pump so they could dump.

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January 31, 2019, 01:55:28 AM
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I think so, whales just do what they want. They easy to pump and dump the price, and as retail trader we have to follow them.  In 2017 all crypto was pump multiple times and after that huge dump, and whales been do that. We can not avoid pump dump action in crypto market because the market cap still low, so that will be more easy to pump.

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January 31, 2019, 02:27:11 AM
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I think so, whales just do what they want. They easy to pump and dump the price, and as retail trader we have to follow them.  In 2017 all crypto was pump multiple times and after that huge dump, and whales been do that. We can not avoid pump dump action in crypto market because the market cap still low, so that will be more easy to pump.
The thread got me thing. Yes, it's possible that those whales doesn't care about any analysis though because of their deep pocket. Of course its better to buy in dips, but I'm speculating that they are willing to buy at any price and then manipulate the market on their favor, not far fetched, in my opinion. And its very evident specially that we're in the bearish market right now.

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January 31, 2019, 02:52:02 AM
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I think so, whales just do what they want. They easy to pump and dump the price, and as retail trader we have to follow them.  In 2017 all crypto was pump multiple times and after that huge dump, and whales been do that. We can not avoid pump dump action in crypto market because the market cap still low, so that will be more easy to pump.
The thread got me thing. Yes, it's possible that those whales doesn't care about any analysis though because of their deep pocket. Of course its better to buy in dips, but I'm speculating that they are willing to buy at any price and then manipulate the market on their favor, not far fetched, in my opinion. And its very evident specially that we're in the bearish market right now.
Bearish market is the hindrance why the whales cannot move out on their plans. Once there's a huge potential to increase market profit, I think the whales will be back again and will make our world go round. Same as what happened last 2017 we're surprised, and again that will be the scenario being expected by many.

 
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January 31, 2019, 03:35:32 PM
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The whales and big investors did not need indicators both (technical and fundamentals indicators) before buying or selling Cryptocoins.  This has just made me to believe that the indicators are just there for me and you to lose money and not to make money as the price will still go against you no matter how intelligent you are in technical analysis.  The market seeing to make it own mind and that is to say the whales push it to any direction they decide at a particular time.
When you have enough money to change the market yourself (or you and couple friends) why would you care about indicators. I mean if the indicators show that price will be going down you can just buy a lot of coins and increase it while everyone expects a drop, same applies to indicators showing the price going up and you can sell bunch of coins and drop the market. It means indicators doesn't really apply to you. You are an indicator by all yourself.

A whales moves is an indicator on where the coin price will go. Just do whatever you want and profit from the moves you made yourself. Just buy a lot of coins, let it go up and then sell them whenever you feel like you made a profit. Price will fall even harder maybe so you can buy it back as well for cheap. Being rich gives you these kinds of privileges.

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January 31, 2019, 03:42:44 PM
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I think so, whales just do what they want. They easy to pump and dump the price, and as retail trader we have to follow them.  In 2017 all crypto was pump multiple times and after that huge dump, and whales been do that. We can not avoid pump dump action in crypto market because the market cap still low, so that will be more easy to pump.
The thread got me thing. Yes, it's possible that those whales doesn't care about any analysis though because of their deep pocket. Of course its better to buy in dips, but I'm speculating that they are willing to buy at any price and then manipulate the market on their favor, not far fetched, in my opinion. And its very evident specially that we're in the bearish market right now.
Bearish market is the hindrance why the whales cannot move out on their plans. Once there's a huge potential to increase market profit, I think the whales will be back again and will make our world go round. Same as what happened last 2017 we're surprised, and again that will be the scenario being expected by many.
Whales are waiting for more players inside the market before they will begin their dirty tricks, as more money flowing around the market and newcomers
that start to invest, they will start making directions and command everyone to whatever movements they wanted to go, the trend will change up without  any technical analysis that going to follow, just a group of whales who's hungry to grab every penny that investors and traders have.



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February 01, 2019, 02:52:16 AM
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The whales and big investors did not need indicators both (technical and fundamentals indicators) before buying or selling Cryptocoins.  This has just made me to believe that the indicators are just there for me and you to lose money and not to make money as the price will still go against you no matter how intelligent you are in technical analysis.  The market seeing to make it own mind and that is to say the whales push it to any direction they decide at a particular time.
You are completely wrong, the whales need to use indicators as well to tell them what to do, however more than anything they need to watch the volume of a coin and the volume of the exchanges in which they are trading because it is very easy for them to crash the price if they are not careful, if anything whales have even more limitations since everything they do affects the market.

 
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February 01, 2019, 04:15:19 AM
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The whales and big investors did not need indicators both (technical and fundamentals indicators) before buying or selling Cryptocoins.  This has just made me to believe that the indicators are just there for me and you to lose money and not to make money as the price will still go against you no matter how intelligent you are in technical analysis.  The market seeing to make it own mind and that is to say the whales push it to any direction they decide at a particular time.
You are completely wrong, the whales need to use indicators as well to tell them what to do, however more than anything they need to watch the volume of a coin and the volume of the exchanges in which they are trading because it is very easy for them to crash the price if they are not careful, if anything whales have even more limitations since everything they do affects the market.
I agree, just like a normal trader, we do have our own indicator before making a decision.

The only difference between the whales an a regular trader is that its purchasing and selling power, whales have a lot of power
and with that power, they can move the price in their favor. But we should be smart to spot that, if whales are doing that for something to come up,
then it's timely to be smart as well to prepare for that.
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You are completely wrong, the whales need to use indicators as well to tell them what to do, however more than anything they need to watch the volume of a coin and the volume of the exchanges in which they are trading because it is very easy for them to crash the price if they are not careful, if anything whales have even more limitations since everything they do affects the market.
Whales use their money to manipulate the markets that the basic idea. Now when they are going to do so and in what direction they are going to pull the market is still a mystery. We think that they watch the technical analysis but there may be other factors too.

They may watch the movement of small fishes and decide to dump on them when price rises as well. Then watch the panic sell happen and buy back at low price. It is important to note that these movements actually make new people curious of the market. Without whales no big rise or crash would occur and the market would be stagnant like it is this week.

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the market knows no whale. it is likely to follow any direction it faces. surely it is all about demand and supply. and when the demand is high, the market moves in a positive direction with supply declining. when selloff is high and demand reduces, the market plummet. we all that ply this market need to be vigilant to avoid loosing our hard earn money.

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I disagree to the OP because first of all fundamental or technical analysis is the most important thing in trading next is the psychological aspect, emotions to properly execute their trades. The market is designed to take your money but if you don't ever wonder trading is about making money for others not only for whales by having a good time and strategy to make money with this whales.

 
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February 03, 2019, 06:13:18 AM
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the market knows no whale. it is likely to follow any direction it faces. surely it is all about demand and supply. and when the demand is high, the market moves in a positive direction with supply declining. when selloff is high and demand reduces, the market plummet. we all that ply this market need to be vigilant to avoid loosing our hard earn money.
The market is dictated by whales, sure it's based on demand and supply but because they have the power to manipulate
the market, they can also create a fake demand to move the price based on what they like to see, and at the end of the day, they still make money.

Adoption is the real problem with crypto, we have a lot of people who are adopting but only few people who are holding the biggest share of the pie.
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February 05, 2019, 07:23:56 AM
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the market knows no whale.
But whales know the market and they are partially responsible for the movements.

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it is likely to follow any direction it faces. surely it is all about demand and supply. and when the demand is high, the market moves in a positive direction with supply declining. when selloff is high and demand reduces, the market plummet. we all that ply this market need to be vigilant to avoid loosing our hard earn money.
I am not sure how long you have been in the market but its does not function just in a hard and fast manner. Yes it does follow the initial movement for sometime but in depends on how others are trading - if there are big sell or buy or orders when the market is moving up and down respectively there will be fluctuation in the prices. Not everyone is going to FOMO in when the price rises.

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February 06, 2019, 02:55:38 PM
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analysis is only a way to anticipate mistakes in the selection of decisions in trade, in fact no one can predict the fluctuations in the price of bitcoin in particular by continually deciding correctly.
because if anyone can do it, everyone who follows his analysis will be able to get rich very quickly, and if there are people who are lucky there must be someone who must feel a loss, that is one of the laws of trade in crypto currency that I have felt so far.

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