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October 24, 2018, 03:32:49 PM
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This just hit the news all over the place

Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html

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Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN’s offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor who has come under fierce criticism from conservatives and conspiracy theorists.

None of the devices harmed anyone. Law enforcement officials said they were investigating whether all the devices were sent by the same person or persons.

Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, Mr. Soros and CNN have all figured prominently in the pantheon of conservative political attacks — many of which have been led by President Trump. He has often referred to major news organizations as “the enemy of the people,” and has had a particular animus for CNN.
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This just hit the news all over the place

Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html

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Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN’s offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor who has come under fierce criticism from conservatives and conspiracy theorists.

None of the devices harmed anyone. Law enforcement officials said they were investigating whether all the devices were sent by the same person or persons.

Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, Mr. Soros and CNN have all figured prominently in the pantheon of conservative political attacks — many of which have been led by President Trump. He has often referred to major news organizations as “the enemy of the people,” and has had a particular animus for CNN.

The right wing is just doing what Trump wants, the mob and journalists are the enemy of the people and they must be terrorized by Trumps base!

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...  Looks like it's more than that even, I just heard a report of 7 packages delivered to people that Trump has attacked on Twitter and in his rallies...

Fucking right wing nut jobs or IOW Trump NATIONALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

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October 24, 2018, 06:39:31 PM
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That is sad. Probably done by a right wing extremist with some serious psychiatric disorder.
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October 24, 2018, 06:54:23 PM
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I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail, right before the elections. Gotta cast yourself as the victim just like the invasion caravan. Funny, Soros's employee was pretty ballsey moving it rather than following the standard procedure of leaving the device in place and contacting law enforcement. Of course moving an IED is a little less nerve wracking if you know it won't go off...

Also notice the FBI nor the ATF are confirming that they were ACTUAL explosive devices yet, only that they "appeared to be explosive device(s)". Since standard operating procedure is to blow up the devices, there would be little way to know if it was actually armed or not. This reeks as yet another desperate last ditch attempt to salvage midterms for the Democrats.


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October 24, 2018, 08:15:32 PM
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I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail...

It truly amazes me that some people can completely dismiss multiple high profile democrats receiving bombs in the mail...

Would you dismiss it so easily if multiple republicans and Fox News got mailed bombs?  I'm guessing not since I have seen your hypocrisy before
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October 24, 2018, 08:36:37 PM
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I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail, right before the elections. Gotta cast yourself as the victim just like the invasion caravan. Funny, Soros's employee was pretty ballsey moving it rather than following the standard procedure of leaving the device in place and contacting law enforcement. Of course moving an IED is a little less nerve wracking if you know it won't go off...

Also notice the FBI nor the ATF are confirming that they were ACTUAL explosive devices yet, only that they "appeared to be explosive device(s)". Since standard operating procedure is to blow up the devices, there would be little way to know if it was actually armed or not. This reeks as yet another desperate last ditch attempt to salvage midterms for the Democrats.

I wasn't expecting a conspiracy theory until at least page 3, well done.

Even Trump had the self-awareness to not go full retard before all facts are known. Most of the recipients are targets of right-wing rhetoric but largely irrelevant to Democrats. No sane person on the left gives a shit about Wasserman-Shultz or Holder or even Clinton so why would they set up such a lame conspiracy to send fake bombs to some has-beens who are not part of midterms in any way? Butthurt Bernie supporters perhaps? 2 years later?

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...

One was a addressed to Holder but had a return address of Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, so it ended up at her address.


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I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail, right before the elections. Gotta cast yourself as the victim just like the invasion caravan. Funny, Soros's employee was pretty ballsey moving it rather than following the standard procedure of leaving the device in place and contacting law enforcement. Of course moving an IED is a little less nerve wracking if you know it won't go off...

Also notice the FBI nor the ATF are confirming that they were ACTUAL explosive devices yet, only that they "appeared to be explosive device(s)". Since standard operating procedure is to blow up the devices, there would be little way to know if it was actually armed or not. This reeks as yet another desperate last ditch attempt to salvage midterms for the Democrats.

I wasn't expecting a conspiracy theory until at least page 3, well done.

Even Trump had the self-awareness to not go full retard before all facts are known. Most of the recipients are targets of right-wing rhetoric but largely irrelevant to Democrats. No sane person on the left gives a shit about Wasserman-Shultz or Holder or even Clinton so why would they set up such a lame conspiracy to send fake bombs to some has-beens who are not part of midterms in any way? Butthurt Bernie supporters perhaps? 2 years later?

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...

One was a addressed to Holder but had a return address of Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, so it ended up at her address.




I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail...

It truly amazes me that some people can completely dismiss multiple high profile democrats receiving bombs in the mail...

Would you dismiss it so easily if multiple republicans and Fox News got mailed bombs?  I'm guessing not since I have seen your hypocrisy before

I didn't dismiss it, I said it was done for an ulterior motive, likely not even by their enemies. Also, as I said the conclusion they were actually explosive devices has not been stated by the FBI or ATF, only that they "appeared to be." As I explained the standard procedure is to blow the device in place, so chances are we will never know for sure. It could have simply been a box off unassembled components of a bomb, no one would ever be able to tell the difference after it is detonated with added explosives used to deactivate it.

When a bunch of Republicans got sent ricin a few weeks back you didn't see me here blaming Democrats over it. Also everyone knows now days these high profile people are like the 10th person to check out their mail. There was never any risk to any of them. This is exactly the kind of Hail Mary move they would make out of desperation. They constantly must fill the role of victim to sell their narrative. Also exactly the kind of movie script people who live in TV land would suck up and ask for more. In reality, things almost never have such a clear narrative.

Also all of these people are complicit in very serious federal crimes, and they know prosecution is on the way. What better way to elicit sympathy than looking like they are under physical attack as they literally call for incivility themselves, and support the mass invasion of our country. This was very carefully timed, it was not a coincidence.

Ask some simple questions like any investigator...

Who benefits from this?
Who has the ability and means to pull this off?
What does this accomplish?
What possible motivations could be behind this?
Why is the timing so close to midterm elections?
Who has traditionally occupied the rhetoric of victimization?
What could this serve to distract from?


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October 24, 2018, 10:29:13 PM
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I wasn't expecting a conspiracy theory until at least page 3, well done.

I'm not one to jump to conclusions, or believe in conspiracies in general, but...

It IS kinda coincidental that the packages are sent to Trumps most vociferous critics, not one exploded, and the timing; right before the midterm...  Since the recent "Kavanaugh Effect" has been demonstrably hurtful the Democrats, it wouldn't surprise me if some Left Wing Extremest did this in an attempt to turn the tables.

The packages are being taken to Quantico for disassembly.  If we don't hear anything about it tomorrow, you'll know TecShare was right.  If the left wing media buries the story we'll know it's because it won't help the Democrats.

Who benefits from this?
Who has the ability and means to pull this off?
What does this accomplish?
What possible motivations could be behind this?
Why is the timing so close to midterm elections?
Who has traditionally occupied the rhetoric of victimization?
What could this serve to distract from?

Critical thinking doesn't seem to be at all common anymore.  Just look over in the Altcoin board for proof.
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The packages are being taken to Quantico for disassembly.  If we don't hear anything about it tomorrow, you'll know TecShare was right.  If the left wing media buries the story we'll know it's because it won't help the Democrats.

I don't see how an arbitrary deadline can tell us the motive of this act. The FBI will take as much time to investigate as they need, whether it's done today or next week or next year.

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The packages are being taken to Quantico for disassembly.  If we don't hear anything about it tomorrow, you'll know TecShare was right.  If the left wing media buries the story we'll know it's because it won't help the Democrats.

I don't see how an arbitrary deadline can tell us the motive of this act. The FBI will take as much time to investigate as they need, whether it's done today or next week or next year.

My guess is if they are not real bombs, the FBI ought to know by tomorrow.  If that's the case the New York Times will have one paragraph about it, on the back page, under the Estee Lauder ad.
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The left wing is sending fake bombs just to have something to blame on the right wing.

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The packages are being taken to Quantico for disassembly.  If we don't hear anything about it tomorrow, you'll know TecShare was right.  If the left wing media buries the story we'll know it's because it won't help the Democrats.

I don't see how an arbitrary deadline can tell us the motive of this act. The FBI will take as much time to investigate as they need, whether it's done today or next week or next year.

My guess is if they are not real bombs, the FBI ought to know by tomorrow.  If that's the case the New York Times will have one paragraph about it, on the back page, under the Estee Lauder ad.

That still doesn't mean anything. To have any hint of a motive the FBI at the very least would need to figure out who did it. Which shouldn't be too hard - it's almost impossible to mail a package anonymously these days.

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What's the sentence for mailing a bomb?

Probably at least a decade, right?

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My conspiracy, if I'm even allowed an opinion here, is it was government sanctioned to distract the entire media from the whole middle east thing.

Way more close to home story rather than just a state-sanctioned murdered journalist; also an attack on United States citizens > foreign people.

Oh, looks like all the targets were Trump's targets, turns out he incited this violence.


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President Trump has incited violence against his political opponents innumerable times.^[1]

Half a dozen of the President's so called "enemies" were targeted and explosive devices were sent to their offices or residences.[2]

Former CIA Director[3] John Brennan[4] sent to CNN - President Trump has called the media *"The enemy of the people"*[5]

President Bill Clinton[6] and Hillary Clinton[7] going so far as to suggest deadly violence[8]

George Soros[9]

President Obama[10]

Former Attorney General Eric Holder[11]

Congresswoman Maxine Waters[12]

The President's attacks against political opponents, the free press and praise for dictators

The rhetoric and actions taken by the President - from continuing to berate the fourth estate by referring to the media as *"fake news"*[13] to calling his political opponents traitors[14] while he attacks the judicial branch of government without remorse,[15] are just a few examples of his egregious attacks on democratic institutions and norms.

President Trump has referred to the minority party as un-American for not applauding his speech.[16] President Trump joked about wanting to consolidate his power like his dictator colleague in China, President Xi.[17] President Trump has repeatedly praised dictators including Putin, Duterte, Erdogan, and el-Sisi.[18]

Trump’s fondness for authoritarians may have more to do with how power is wielded than those who exercise it. It just so happens that Western governments have, for the past seven decades, mostly adhered to a system of the rule of law, which empowers institutions rather than individuals. Trump’s apparent preference is for a system in which one individual, presumably him, wields that power.

Indeed, his fondness for strongmen and dictators isn’t limited to Xi Jinping or any other individual in power now. He has praised Iraq’s Saddam Hussein (while also criticizing him as “a bad guy”) for killing terrorists. “He did that so good,” Trump said in July 2016. “They didn’t read them the rights. They didn’t talk. They were terrorists. Over.”

Trump also said in 2016 that Libya would be better off “if [Moammar] Gaddafi were in charge right now.” He once tweeted a quote from Benito Mussolini, the Italian fascist leader, and later defended the tweet, saying: “Mussolini was Mussolini ... It’s a very good quote. It’s a very interesting quote... what difference does it make whether it’s Mussolini or somebody else?”

Trump even said China’s brutal crackdown on protesters in Tiananmen Square in 1989 “shows you the power of strength,” contrasting the Communist Party’s action with the United States, which he said “is right now perceived as weak.” Trump made those comments in 1990. When asked about the remarks during the presidential debate in 2016, Trump defended himself and appeared to take the Chinese Communist Party’s view of the events at Tiananmen. He dismissed the deadly military response as a “riot.”

Following Saudi Arabia's grotesque assassination of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Turkey[19] President Trump encouraged assaulting reporters and journalists at a rally in Montana last week.[20]

YouTube - All the Times Trump Has Called for Violence at His Rallies

Fox News - Explosive devices mailed to Obama, Hillary Clinton, others prompt security scare

CNN - Trump blasts former CIA Director John Brennan as 'loudmouth, partisan, political hack'

NBC - Trump ties 'rigged witch hunt' to decision to revoke Brennan's security clearance

NPR - Opinion: Calling The Press The Enemy Of The People Is A Menacing Move

New York Times - Donald Trump Opens New Line of Attack on Hillary Clinton: Her Marriage

NBC - Trump accuses Hillary Clinton of colluding with Russia as crowd chants 'lock her up'

New York Times - Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton

Washington Post - Why Trump and the Republicans keep talking about George Soros

New York Times - Trump Attacks Obama, and His Own Attorney General, Over Russia Inquiry

Axios - Trump says Eric Holder "better be careful what he's wishing for"

The Guardian - 'You better shoot straight': how Maxine Waters became Trump's public enemy No 1

Washington Post - Trump admitted he attacks press to shield himself from negative coverage, Lesley Stahl says

The Atlantic - He Dares Call It Treason

Washington Post - All the times Trump personally attacked judges — and why his tirades are ‘worse than wrong’

USA Today - Trump blasts 'treasonous' Democrats for not applauding at his State of the Union address

Deutsche Welle - US President Donald Trump praises China's Xi Jinping for consolidating grip on power

The Atlantic - Nine Notorious Dictators, Nine Shout-Outs From Donald Trump

PK - Saudi Arabia's assassination of a journalist and the world's response

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October 25, 2018, 01:01:22 AM
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This just hit the news all over the place

Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html

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Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN’s offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor who has come under fierce criticism from conservatives and conspiracy theorists.

None of the devices harmed anyone. Law enforcement officials said they were investigating whether all the devices were sent by the same person or persons.

Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, Mr. Soros and CNN have all figured prominently in the pantheon of conservative political attacks — many of which have been led by President Trump. He has often referred to major news organizations as “the enemy of the people,” and has had a particular animus for CNN.

The right wing is just doing what Trump wants, the mob and journalists are the enemy of the people and they must be terrorized by Trumps base!

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...  Looks like it's more than that even, I just heard a report of 7 packages delivered to people that Trump has attacked on Twitter and in his rallies...

Fucking right wing nut jobs or IOW Trump NATIONALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans produce terrorists, democrats produce affordable health care!
If i could have a bet on it i would bet the DEMS done it themselves..

9/11 towers that blew up fox news cnn all in on it    So i wonder who is in on this event..
The scum bums would do anything for monies.. Why can't you loy who have been in power just get lost  Not to be seen anymore? You have enough monies and still you want more Roll Eyes..Greedy RATS ..ARRR is your power going?     no one cares what spews out your rotten faces anymore?  Grin..

My money is on Obama clintons and cronies who have done this to themselves for an agenda   The i am losing my power game Cheesy..
If i was the police i would look at THE DEMS  first i would always have them as 1 suspect  as well as others  Wink..

Fox news your station is becoming just as bad as CNN   been bought out by comcast?  ..

ALL THE MEDIA   IN MAIN NEWS IS BULLSHIT   DON'T BELIEVE NONE OF THEM   NOT1..

I find it finny that even a news reader would hang their own citizens for a pay packet      ALL FOR A PAY PACKET Shocked..

Oh sam the news reader it's just come in our ear from above to pretend we are not killing millions for a pay packet Wink Cheesy  GREEDY  Cheesy..

The news the doctors the judges the police mother teresa god would all tell you lies even if it's means death for MONIES Cheesy Cheesy..

Power=money=power OR  money=power=money  what ever the sum starts with           it will always involve the monies..RICHES easy life ..

Who ever believes the DEMS even TRUMPS don't believe no one i warn you..100 YEARS as a punishment for cheating BERNIE you should never be allowed in power ..

Plus Bernie you should of fought for your right to have been the dems leader   but you got cheated because they didn't want to give the USA young kids a free education..

No bernie will give free this and that and even clinton didn't want you all to get it..

VOTE TRUMPS 4 MORE YEARS ..The FBI  CIA  DEMS DOJ   Just to name a few  all are ROTTEN TO THE CORE..RATS who benefit themselves and look at every joe like a meal ticket for themselves  ...

If you have CIVIL WAR   blame the leaders and fox news cnn and many other media outlets ..

WE THE PEOPLE ARE SICK OF YOUR GREEDY FUCKING LIES  ..Get a real job you BUMS.. Cheesy  dig obama see what it's like to really work  you bum  ..
Also what cases did you even win as a lawyer?  SHIT CASES   more a black protester for the monies  i will tell the blacks bullshit they vote me in and i make monies for me and my family  ..1.2 TRILLION every year you was in power racked up 10 trillion in debt the blcks now have to pay back Cheesy Cheesy..

Get paying it BLACK USA  Obama made you a BLACK DEBT SLAVE..  well at least he never had you picking cotton   Oh i forgot he locked you up instead to work for free..

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October 25, 2018, 01:38:39 AM
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My conspiracy, if I'm even allowed an opinion here, is it was government sanctioned to distract the entire media from the whole middle east thing.

Way more close to home story rather than just a state-sanctioned murdered journalist; also an attack on United States citizens > foreign people.

Oh, looks like all the targets were Trump's targets, turns out he incited this violence.

So your theory is that Trump "sanctioned" this to implicate himself? You should get your own AM radio show.

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October 25, 2018, 03:42:25 AM
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From the WSJ editorial board:

Quote from: WSJ editorial board -- The Politics of Pipe Bombs

The Politics of Pipe Bombs
All those who choose violence need to be held accountable.


Wednesday brought ugly news that bomb-like devices had been mailed to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder, which followed the discovery Monday of a pipe bomb in the mailbox at the Westchester County, N.Y., home of George Soros, the billionaire funder of liberal political causes. Apparent explosive devices were also discovered Wednesday at the New York office of CNN, as well as at a district office of Florida Democrat Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

The motives of the sender aren’t known, though the devices suggest a pattern that could make them related. The urgent burden now is on the FBI, the Secret Service and the U.S. Postal Service to find the culprit.

Let’s hope the FBI does a better job than it did in 2001 when anthrax-laced letters killed several Americans. The FBI spent years hounding an innocent man before settling on a federal researcher who committed suicide in 2008 after learning he’d be charged. Especially so close to an election, the public should discount unconfirmed leaks about suspects or motives.

Close to an election there are also attempts to blame the devices on intemperate political rhetoric, especially from Donald Trump. We doubt this, and we doubt it in the same way we never believed the attack on Steve Scalise and other Republicans as they were playing baseball in Virginia in 2017 was the fault of Bernie Sanders, though the man guilty of the shooting rampage was a Bernie volunteer.

On Wednesday Mr. Trump condemned the act of sending the devices and said that “in these times, we have to unify. We have to come together, and send one very clear, strong, unmistakable message that acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the United States of America. ”

That wasn’t good enough for Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, who issued a joint statement saying Mr. Trump’s “words ring hollow until he reverses his statements that condone acts of violence.” As if this is a moment to settle political scores.

Mr. Obama offered a better message in Tucson in 2011 when he paid tribute to those killed by the madman who also wounded Rep. Gabby Giffords. Mr. Obama said the lack of civility in politics wasn’t to blame—and he cautioned against a political impulse to “lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do.”

If we want to make America less vulnerable to violence, we’d do better to look past the political rhetoric and insist on exacting a higher price from those who choose violence. Those who burn universities because they don’t like the speaker, white supremacists who seek out and engage in brawls, or masked protestors breaking shop windows—they all deserve the full sanction of the law. The priority now is to find the person responsible—and then ensure the offender spends a long time in prison.

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October 25, 2018, 03:51:26 AM
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I would say shame on those in this thread who are attempting to politicize this act of terrorism.  
Fucking right wing nut jobs or IOW Trump NATIONALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans produce terrorists, democrats produce affordable health care!
That is sad. Probably done by a right wing extremist with some serious psychiatric disorder.
Oh, looks like all the targets were Trump's targets, turns out he incited this violence.
Trump was right to quickly condemn this act of terrorism, and he was right to describe this as an attack on our democracy. This type of behavior has no place in our society.

I can't say if this is a "false flag" or not, however it is very shameful for those on the left to claim this is somehow Trumps fault, when it has been many on the left actively advocating for what can reasonably be described as acts of violence on the right.

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October 25, 2018, 04:31:47 AM
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Until people realize the left is the right.


Until people realize the right is the left.

There is no hope for us all.


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October 25, 2018, 07:11:14 AM
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As any Conservative here (and also a lot of Liberals) will tell you, CNN is irrelevant. This is how the right largely sees it, as a joke. I have never once, even on comment sections on the net, seen ANYONE EVER suggest carrying out acts of violence on CNN. Right wingers aren't forming mobs outside of CNN headquarters trying to bust the doors down, now or ever. The concept itself is quite retarded and would accomplish nothing... unless of course your only intent was to pick a handful of people who most symbolized the left and cast them as victims. This is a pathetic attempt at relevancy for these people.


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October 25, 2018, 09:35:36 AM
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This demonizing of public figures is source of the problem. They're people, and are just trying to get by, like anyone else.

The higher you up on the ladder, the more visible your ass is, and the more you're associated with shit.

Displays of hate such as this will not end until we solve the scarcity problem and provide at least a feeling of freedom and abundance for everyone.
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