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This is the title of a news article that I came across, don't blame the messenger Why Does the Far Right Hold a Near-Monopoly on Political Violence?https://www.thenation.com/article/why-does-the-far-right-hold-a-near-monopoly-on-political-violenceStudies show that most people across the political spectrum abhor it. So what might explain the disparity?
In the wake of the mass shooting in suburban Virginia last week that left House majority whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) and three others wounded, conservatives have been furiously waving the bloody shirt. With left-wing hate filling half the screen, Sean Hannity blamed Democrats, saying they “dehumanize Republicans and paint them as monsters.” Tucker Carlson claimed that “some on the hard left” support political violence because it “could lead to the dissolution of a country they despise.” Others have blamed seemingly anything even vaguely identified with liberalism for inciting the violence—from Madonna to MSNBC to Shakespeare in the Park.
This is all a truly remarkable example of projection. In the wake of the shooting, Erick Erickson wrote a piece titled, “The Violence is Only Getting Started,” as if three innocent people hadn’t been brutally murdered by white supremacists in two separate incidents in just the past month.
In the real world, since the end of the Vietnam era, the overwhelming majority of serious political violence—not counting vandalism or punches thrown at protests, but violence with lethal intent—has come from the fringes of the right. Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project says that “if you go back to the 1960s, you see all kinds of left-wing terrorism, but since then it’s been exceedingly rare.” She notes that eco- and animal-rights extremists caused extensive property damage in the 1990s, but didn’t target people.
Meanwhile, says Beirich, “right-wing domestic terrorism has been common throughout that period, going back to groups like to The Order, which assassinated [liberal talk-radio host] Alan Berg [in 1984] right through to today.” Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, told NPR that “when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders.” The actual share is higher still, as violence committed by ultraconservative Islamic supremacists isn’t included in tallies of “right-wing extremism.”
A 2015 survey of law-enforcement agencies conducted by the Police Executive Research Forum and the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security found that the police rate antigovernment extremists as a greater threat than reactionary Islamists. The authors wrote that “right-wing violence appears consistently greater than violence by Muslim extremists in the United States since 9/11, according to multiple definitions in multiple datasets.” According to the Department of Homeland Security, “Sovereign Citizens”—fringe antigovernmentalists—launched 24 violent attacks from 2010 through 2014, mostly against law enforcement personnel. When Robert Dear shot and killed three people at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic in 2015, it became the latest in a series of bloody attacks on abortion providers dating back to Roe v. Wade in 1973. In the 30 years that followed that landmark decision, providers and clinics were targeted in more than 300 acts of violence, including arson, bombings, and assassinations, according to a study by the Rand Corporation.
But while the extreme right has held a near-monopoly on political violence since the 1980s, conservatives and Republicans are no more likely to say that using force to achieve one’s political goals is justified than are liberals and Democrats. That’s the conclusion of a study conducted by Nathan Kalmoe, a professor of political communication at the University of Louisiana. In 2010, he asked respondents whether they agreed that various violent tactics were acceptable. Kalmoe found that less than 3 percent of the population strongly agreed that “sometimes the only way to stop bad government is with physical force,” or that “some of the problems citizens have with government could be fixed with a few well-aimed bullets.” He says that while “there were tiny [partisan] variations on these specific items,” they weren’t “statistically significant on average.”
Ideology alone isn’t a significant risk factor for violence. “There’s a much stronger factor of individual personality traits that predispose people to be more aggressive in their everyday lives,” Kalmoe says, “and we see that playing out with people who engage in political violence.” Mass shooters are often found to have had histories of domestic violence, and that was true for James Hodgkinson, the shooter who attacked the congressional baseball practice in Virginia. Kalmoe says, “we often see that violent individuals have a history of violence in their personal lives. People who are abusive, or who have run afoul of the law in other ways, are more likely to endorse violence.”
Political animosity is similarly bipartisan. According to Pew, roughly the same number of Republicans and Democrats—around half—say they feel anger and fear toward the opposing party.
Which raises an important question: If red and blue America fear and loathe one another equally, and a similar number believe that political violence is acceptable, then why is there so much more of it on the fringes of the right?
Part of the answer lies in a clear difference between right and left: For the past 40 years, Republicans, parroting the gun-rights movement, have actively promoted the idea that firearms are a vital bulwark against government tyranny.
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October 30, 2018, 07:59:36 PM |
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Republicans create terrorists, Democrats create Obamacare! The far right is full of religitards kk nuff said.
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October 30, 2018, 08:04:16 PM |
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Republicans create terrorists, Democrats create Obamacare! The far right is full of religitards kk nuff said.
You might want to check out who started the KKK... |
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October 30, 2018, 09:20:10 PM |
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Republicans create terrorists, Democrats create Obamacare! The far right is full of religitards kk nuff said.
You might want to check out who started the KKK... You should probably check out what political party the current KKK and most other far right mentally deficient Americans support! |
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October 30, 2018, 10:12:17 PM |
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Violent right. Peaceful left. BOTH ARE JUST THE SAME!!!!!!!
Seems the current campaign is to 'incite the right' is going well.
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October 31, 2018, 08:38:35 AM |
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Republicans create terrorists, Democrats create Obamacare! The far right is full of religitards kk nuff said.
You might want to check out who started the KKK... You should probably check out what political party the current KKK and most other far right mentally deficient Americans support! That's a cute delusion. BTW, if anyone was wondering the KKK was created by and heavily supported by Democrats. here is some more "monopoly" for you: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/brief-history-leftist-political-violence-year |
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October 31, 2018, 10:59:46 AM |
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They're most-associated with violence because for their ideologies to work, there needs to be fear and hate in the air. Most far-rights are hell-bent capitalists and many profit off of America's permanent war economy.
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October 31, 2018, 11:13:43 AM |
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Republicans create terrorists, Democrats create Obamacare! The far right is full of religitards kk nuff said.
You might want to check out who started the KKK... You should probably check out what political party the current KKK and most other far right mentally deficient Americans support! That's a cute delusion. BTW, if anyone was wondering the KKK was created by and heavily supported by Democrats. Are you the only one who doesn't realize that republicans and democrats switched sides during the 1950's? When the KKK was founded, it was founded by the people who currently belong to the republican party... the KKK has always been far right-wing This is no different than republicans trying to claim credit for Abraham Lincoln freeing the slaves... sure he was a republican, but back then the parties were reversed, so he was equivalent to a modern day democrat, not a republican... obviously Please stop trying to mislead people with your ignorance of historyWe have a moral duty to be honest. This duty is especially important when we share ideas that can inform or persuade others.
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October 31, 2018, 11:14:22 AM |
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And most extreme left-wingers need war to spread their ideology... So if you don't follow them you used to be counter-revolutionary, later on trotskyist/titoist and nowadays you are 'hateful'...
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October 31, 2018, 11:21:14 AM |
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And most extreme left-wingers need war to spread their ideology... So if you don't follow them you used to be counter-revolutionary, later on trotskyist/titoist and nowadays you are 'hateful'...
Left-wingers are opposed to war... where do you get this nonsense? |
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October 31, 2018, 11:24:37 AM |
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Republicans create terrorists
Any proofs? IMHO democrats are in close friendship with Saudi Arabia (and also receiving donations from them during US elections) which is the main sponsor of terrorism in its region. Democrats were working with terrorists in the past. They are way closer to terrorism rather than democrats. |
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October 31, 2018, 12:06:01 PM |
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Surely there is nothing good in those points. But leftists usually use it just to blame trump. They always decide to be pacifists (only on words) when they need. It is nothing but lies. For example John McCain (which is considered as a "hero" by many Democrats) has been "fighting terrorism" while being in a close friendship with Saudi Arabia. Maybe it is better to fight terrorism whey you are inside their system? I'm sure that everything could be way worse if another candidate, which received huge donations from Saudi Arabia during her elections, won the elections. |
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October 31, 2018, 12:15:34 PM |
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For example John McCain (which is considered as a "hero" by many Democrats) has been "fighting terrorism" while being in a close friendship with Saudi Arabia. Maybe it is better to fight terrorism whey you are inside their system?
I'm sure that everything could be way worse if another candidate, which received huge donations from Saudi Arabia during her elections, won the elections.
McCain was a life long Republican and he was not a moderate. McCain was respected by Dems for being a war hero and an honest public servant, (that doesn't mean they agreed with all of his policies) that was willing to stand up to Trump when he felt Trump went to far. |
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October 31, 2018, 12:16:10 PM |
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Surely there is nothing good in those points. But leftists usually use it just to blame trump. They always decide to be pacifists (only on words) when they need. It is nothing but lies. For example John McCain (which is considered as a "hero" by many Democrats) has been "fighting terrorism" while being in a close friendship with Saudi Arabia. Maybe it is better to fight terrorism whey you are inside their system? I'm sure that everything could be way worse if another candidate, which received huge donations from Saudi Arabia during her elections, won the elections. Hillary Clinton is a wannabe republican... she is well-known as a "war-hawk" and is not typical of democrats... her policies were more right-wing than left-wing... she claimed to be a "centrist", but acted more like a Republican than a Democrat (sellout to all the special interests like war, pharmaceuticals, etc) It truly amazes me that you can blame Hillary Clinton, who is a nobody these days... and democrats, who aren't in control of anything... rather than the people actually in control of our foreign policy (Trump and the republicans) |
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October 31, 2018, 12:24:15 PM
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I'm not blaming anyone. Once again: I'm just saying that the current situations could be much worse if Hillary Clinton and Democrats (which still plays an important role in the US establishment and planning to take part in next elections, she is pretty far from being "nobody") were in charge of the country. Anyway, today's global politics is an insanely dirty thing, no matter which party is having the majority.
Hillary Clinton is a wannabe republican... she is well-known as a "war-hawk" and is not typical of democrats... her policies were more right-wing than left-wing... she claimed to be a "centrist", but acted more like a Republican than a Democrat (sellout to all the special interests like war, pharmaceuticals, etc)
She was so right that she decided to increase income taxes. Increase welfare and open borders for immigrants (what democrats were continuously doing over the last years). Typical right-wing behavior. |
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October 31, 2018, 12:47:13 PM |
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I'm not blaming anyone. Once again: I'm just saying that the current situations could be much worse if Hillary Clinton and Democrats (which still plays an important role in the US establishment and planning to take part in next elections, she is pretty far from being "nobody") were in charge of the country. Anyway, today's global politics is an insanely dirty thing, no matter which party is having the majority.
Hillary Clinton is a wannabe republican... she is well-known as a "war-hawk" and is not typical of democrats... her policies were more right-wing than left-wing... she claimed to be a "centrist", but acted more like a Republican than a Democrat (sellout to all the special interests like war, pharmaceuticals, etc)
She was so right that she decided to increase income taxes. Increase welfare and open borders for immigrants (what democrats were continuously doing for the last years). Typical right-wing behavior. Don't bother trying to argue with these people. They came here to circle jerk each other and normalize each others behavior. They have no desire for an accurate examination of reality, they are here to virtue signal how superior they think they are and how evil they think the right is. No one look at Communism btw, those hundreds of millions of dead don't count as leftist violence! Just like Hillary Clinton or anyone else who counters the narrative of exclusively right violence. |
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Moloch (OP)
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October 31, 2018, 09:40:36 PM |
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No one look at Communism btw, those hundreds of millions of dead don't count as leftist violence!
umm... got a source for that? There isn't any war in history where "hundreds of millions" died... that simply never happened Are you adding up the deaths from every war combined, and blaming it all on "leftists"? |
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October 31, 2018, 10:44:32 PM |
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For example John McCain (which is considered as a "hero" by many Democrats) has been "fighting terrorism" while being in a close friendship with Saudi Arabia. Maybe it is better to fight terrorism whey you are inside their system?
I'm sure that everything could be way worse if another candidate, which received huge donations from Saudi Arabia during her elections, won the elections.
McCain was a life long Republican and he was not a moderate. McCain was respected by Dems for being a war hero and an honest public servant, (that doesn't mean they agreed with all of his policies) that was willing to stand up to Trump when he felt Trump went to far. He was a liberal, and he was used by Democrats when he was useful. There was a sugar coated "respect cuz war hero". That was totally fake. |
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November 01, 2018, 02:57:09 AM |
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No one look at Communism btw, those hundreds of millions of dead don't count as leftist violence!
umm... got a source for that? There isn't any war in history where "hundreds of millions" died... that simply never happened Are you adding up the deaths from every war combined, and blaming it all on "leftists"? Their estimates are conservative, and this is just for Communism. |
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