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We will start selling shares off market if interested please message me. 30,000 @ 0.005 If you would like to purchase some share please message me. A total of 2000 pre-list shares will be offered at .0045 and a large discount for purchases over 250 shares. 1H5J65KU6aGZ4uohTCbontXmGezdixaJiy After you have deposited the coins please add you tx. number and how many shares you purchased on this forum post. "Makes it public Record"Purpose Statement The mission of Crypto REI is to be the most successful and predominant real estate investment company in the greater eastern North Carolina area. Crypto REI incorporates proven, professional state of-the-art techniques specializing in the fix & flip, lease options and rentals of new and homes, condominiums, home sites, undeveloped land and commercial and investment opportunities. Crypto REI maintains a full array of well-trained professionals who continually strive to provide top quality service for their individual clients and customers. Crypto REI is a creative, innovative and people-oriented organization providing individual opportunity, personal satisfaction and rewarding challenges to all members and investors of the firm. Why?A funny thing happens in real estate. When it comes back, it comes back up like gangbusters. "Barbara Corcoran" About 77 percent of investors with at least $1 million in assets own real estate, according to a survey released today by the New York-based investment bank’s wealth-management unit. Direct ownership of residential and commercial properties was the No. 1 alternative-investment pick for 2014, with a third of millionaires surveyed saying they plan to buy this year. Twenty-three percent said they expect to invest in real estate investment trusts, the second-most popular choice. (We are not a REIT) This is was used as a example Most of us do not have enough money to go and buy a property for cash, but with our knowledge and funds we could all be on our way. What? Residental SFH defined by H.U.D as between 1 and 4 units. Focusing on distressed properties in high turn over area's. These properties would be located in neighborhood away from large roads, close to schools, with a decent image. We would ideally like to buy at 60% ARV with a negotiation range of +-5%. When As soon as we secure funding we will start our first project, if enough funds are not raised we will use a Hard Money Lender to cover the rest. We already have a one lined up. F.A.Q.Q. Will shares be BTC Based or Fiat Based. A. Shares will be based on fiat due to the extended amount of time it will be tied up. We will not be dealing in rentals to start with, all dividends will be paid per sale of fix and flip. If we fix and flip 13 houses a year you get 13 dividends that year. We aim to profit min 10-50k on each fix and flip. Q. Is this really a good time to be investing in real estate? A. YES!! As a matter of fact, this is probably the greatest buyers market any of us will ever see in our life times. During a economic downturn, smart money is buying, dumb money is on the sidelines. Even though the recession is over, many people are holding on to fears and misconceptions about investment real estate. This is a HUGE mistake. Many people will secure their financial future during this limited buying opportunity, the question is will you be one of them. Q. Why do you buy foreclosure properties? A. In real estate, rule number 1 is "You make your money when you buy" That means we need to buy below market value. Foreclosures are not only available in abundance, but they are bad loans on the books of the banks and need to be sold. More often than not, these sales are at pennies on the dollar. Q. This sounds like a good way to get rich quick. Is it? A. Rich is a relative term. For some people $100,000 a year would be life changing. For others it would be a drop in the bucket. However, this is not a "get rich quick" I personally am not aware of anything that is. Investment real estate is and always has been a "get rich slow" investment. That being said, properties that are bought and sold with profits of $10,000- $40,000 will certainly make an impact on anyone's bottom line. Q. I have no experience at this. Am I qualified? A. The reason so many people lost money during the real estate crash was due to exactly that reason. Many people jumping in the game with little to no experience. Bad idea. What we have done is taken the need for experience out of the equation. We will do the entire transaction for you. No guessing on your part. You agree to the deal, and we drop a completed, rented property in your lap. The only real qualifications that you will need is the willingness to make money. 3/8/2014 240 Homes owned by the Dept of Veterans affairs in our area of operation. Business plan will answer most questions. https://www.dropbox.com/s/omonqlbpw38ajcp/Business%20planRev2.01.docNOTE: IPO phase Use of this document is only is prohibited unless given right. Business Plan https://www.dropbox.com/s/omonqlbpw38ajcp/Business%20planRev2.01.docCrypto REI info@encinvesmentproperty.com http://encinvesmentproperty.com/
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Types of property Asking Price 34,000 Will start offer at 26,000 Bedrooms:3 beds Bathrooms:1 bath Single Family:1,161 sq ft Lot:0.29 acres Year Built:1954 Last Sold:Oct 2010 for $109,000 Heating Type:Heat pump https://deeds.onslowcountync.gov/external/LandRecords/protected/v4/SrchBookPage.aspx?bAutoSearch=true&bk=4111&bks=&pg=307&pgs=&idx=CRPBrand New roof on this house HAVAC looks to be good but can not tell with out Power Repairs Floors need striped and refinished $2100 Complete Kitchen 8500 Cabinets/Fridge/Oven/Backsplash full works Complete Bathroom 4,500 Toilet/Sink/Vanity/tub&shower combo* Outside Paint 2100 Inside Paint 1300 Landscaping 1500 New windows 3500 Misc 10,000 new doors/hinges/doorknobs/replace dingy wall sockets and light switches. Property Marketing $500 Min Rehab cost 30600 Max Rehab cost 37400 Total Rehab 34K +- 10% =3400 Holding and tax allowance 3,500 (ie electric, water, trash dumpster) Total project cots 75,5k (This is worst case) ARV 105,000 90+ Days on market ARV 100,000 60 Days on market ARV 95,000 30 Days on market ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs9.postimg.org%2F4pv915siz%2FIS1afvnapcewy3n.jpg&t=665&c=zP7KhYmgeiZZHQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs10.postimg.org%2F8ni6c7jet%2FIS9xvfesv24q2t1000000000.jpg&t=665&c=8QyA7DuKqWdUsQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs30.postimg.org%2Fbwb8bkxcd%2FISdsqrdce04skk1000000000.jpg&t=665&c=8igrWPo9x5MAmA) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs13.postimg.org%2Fargg1i783%2FIS5mofv5asvukk1000000000.jpg&t=665&c=rZOd2XRu3Y2LZg) Pretty interesting wall art ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs21.postimg.org%2F3wyc0w06r%2FIStoqxsb5y99vs1000000000.jpg&t=665&c=F7affLk5MFcctg)
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See here. As for that "business plan", it'd be much more valuable to post it here (no, a dropbox link doesn't suffice) in lieu of the atrocious marketing speak you've put up in its place.
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Just had a lead from a "We pay cash for homes close in 7 days ad" Bedrooms:4 beds Bathrooms:2 baths Single Family:1,204 sq ft Lot:0.25 acres Year Built:1986 Last Sold:Mar 2010 for $138,500 Heating Type:Heat pump This property would take 10k Max to get up to selling conditions. The property is in default status and vacant, the estimated pay off on the property is 58,000. ARV of the property is 115,000. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs23.postimg.org%2Fcz1tl9y1j%2FISrtpa1dpo9lsz.jpg&t=665&c=LFaq2HTA5Cxu4A) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs18.postimg.org%2Foe1u28xsl%2FISrtpa1hnqhpr7.jpg&t=665&c=ngjRkEl8K0ytQw) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs24.postimg.org%2Fthwv6b5lt%2FISrtpa1llsptpf.jpg&t=665&c=OSR0751bZFG2yg) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs30.postimg.org%2F4fmvqcs0d%2FIS168zqh3bfie1v.jpg&t=665&c=_RjasOQP8we9tQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs27.postimg.org%2Fa6hp5d1v3%2FIS168zqgzddaa3n.jpg&t=665&c=kWWYguzwGlTniA)
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See here. As for that "business plan", it'd be much more valuable to post it here (no, a dropbox link doesn't suffice) in lieu of the atrocious marketing speak you've put up in its place. The fact that you just criticized the posting format is a great! Thanks!
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See here. As for that "business plan", it'd be much more valuable to post it here (no, a dropbox link doesn't suffice) in lieu of the atrocious marketing speak you've put up in its place. The fact that you just criticized the posting format is a great! Thanks! Few people have much positive to say about MPOE-PR, but you're missing point, which is that if you have any actual business plan, put it here and make it part of the public record, don't just link to some random document on Dropbox. While you're at it, you might consider addressing a whole boatload of questions around the topic of why you're looking to raise equity financing as opposed to debt financing, despite indicating that the latter via a "hard money" lender is next on your agenda. (Or maybe you're looking to offer this as securitised debt? It's hard to tell based on what you've actually written so far.) As far as I can tell, apart from some irrelevant hand waving in the direction of REITs, you have yet to spell out anything at all about capital structure.
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REIT would have to be registered with the SEC, so that is a no go. If you get any sort of pooled funds in a real estate transaction it must be registered as a security with the SEC. There are a couple of exceptions 1) The entire loan must come from 1 person with out the pooling of funds 2) The company must be formed as a LLC as a tenants in common aka members manage LLC
The wording has to be in such a way to not trigger a SEC registration. Most real estate terms are written in such a way it seams to be hand waving. This is the address to a property, I understand it, most people will not its not fancy hand waving its legal description written to locate a property. SHAMROCK VIL BE L12 SR 1903 08-030 SHAMROCK VILLAGE INC
The capital structure has not been 100% decided yet due to us not having nailed down a home. I do not think 18 pages of business plan would be acceptable here?
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REIT would have to be registered with the SEC, so that is a no go...
Most real estate terms are written in such a way it seams to be hand waving...
Obviously you're not forming a genuine REIT; that's why it's hand waving to talk about REITs. The question has nothing to do with "most real estate terms"; it has to do with whether you are prepared to offer something other than hand waving. The capital structure has not been 100% decided yet due to us not having nailed down a home.
You're failing the sniff test pretty badly here. You've not yet explained even 1% of how you might possibly think about maybe one day potentially if the moon is in the right phase organise the capital structure, let alone 100% of how you will actually do it. Generally speaking, not knowing how you're going to structure a business until after you've entered into business commitments is not a good sign. I do not think 18 pages of business plan would be acceptable here?
I cannot tell you what would be "acceptable", but I can tell you that failing to provide a cogent offering document, failing to elucidate the basics of capital structure, and failing to offer even a vague outline of how a business will operate is not a recipe for inspiring confidence in the people you're asking to support your project.
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REIT would have to be registered with the SEC, so that is a no go...
Most real estate terms are written in such a way it seams to be hand waving...
Obviously you're not forming a genuine REIT; that's why it's hand waving to talk about REITs. The question has nothing to do with "most real estate terms"; it has to do with whether you are prepared to offer something other than hand waving. The capital structure has not been 100% decided yet due to us not having nailed down a home.
You're failing the sniff test pretty badly here. You've not yet explained even 1% of how you might possibly think about maybe one day potentially if the moon is in the right phase organise the capital structure, let alone 100% of how you will actually do it. Generally speaking, not knowing how you're going to structure a business until after you've entered into business commitments is not a good sign. I do not think 18 pages of business plan would be acceptable here?
I cannot tell you what would be "acceptable", but I can tell you that failing to provide a cogent offering document, failing to elucidate the basics of capital structure, and failing to offer even a vague outline of how a business will operate is not a recipe for inspiring confidence in the people you're asking to support your project. What part about a member managed LLC do you not understand? Think this explained it in the business plan share Holders Voting RightsEach share is entitled to 1 vote in the company. All Property Purchases and Price discounts on a property greater then 5,001 Dollars will require a vote Terms of Voting Voting will be held for no less then 72 Hours and no longer then 5 Business days. You're failing the sniff test pretty badly here. You've not yet explained even 1% of how you might possibly think about maybe one day potentially if the moon is in the right phase organise the capital structure, let alone 100% of how you will actually do it. Generally speaking, not knowing how you're going to structure a business until after you've entered into business commitments is not a good sign.
Start up capital of $75,000 is needed, this will be in the form of crowd-funded virtual currency stocks , with the eventual offering of HML1 loans if full amount can not be raised. The purpose of the loans will be to gain capital with out diluting stocks. Does it matter if its 75k @ 10 stocks or at 10,000,000? I am starting to get the feeling you did not read the business plan....
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What part about a member managed LLC do you not understand? Think this explained it in the business plan...
In mathematics, we use the phrase "proof by reference to converging irrelevancies"... I am starting to get the feeling you did not read the business plan....
I can assure you, I won't be wasting any more of my time on my apparently pointless attempt at offering feedback on a few of the outright howlers from your "offering". Kthxbye. Then why bring up a REIT if that whats not being formed?
Excellent question. ...invest in real estate investment trusts, the second-most popular choice.
I didn't bring up REITs -- the OP brought up REITs, as if they were in any way relevant. I can see how this business operates its laid out, looks like the purchase of properties to fix and flip, with some properties being retained as lease options. It even outlines the steps to find and obtain properties did you read?
Congratulations! If that's the level of detail and coherence you expect from someone asking for your money, then you are exactly the sort of "investor" the OP needs. It might be easier to assume that someone whose standards are a little different from your own simply doesn't know how to read, but that doesn't make it so.
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Sir no where is there any word of REIT's in any of post or plans the first word of REIT was brought up by you in this post While you're at it, you might consider addressing a whole boatload of questions around the topic of why you're looking to raise equity financing as opposed to debt financing, despite indicating that the latter via a "hard money" lender is next on your agenda. (Or maybe you're looking to offer this as securitised debt? It's hard to tell based on what you've actually written so far.) As far as I can tell, apart from some irrelevant hand waving in the direction of REITs, you have yet to spell out anything at all about capital structure. I can assure you, I won't be wasting any more of my time on my apparently pointless attempt at offering feedback on a few of the outright howlers from your "offering". Kthxbye. Then why bring up a REIT if that whats not being formed?
Excellent question. ...invest in real estate investment trusts, the second-most popular choice.
So your using a example of how passive investors invest in real estate as your reason from bring up a REIT? Lest not take it out of context like you have About 77 percent of investors with at least $1 million in assets own real estate, according to a survey released today by the New York-based investment bank’s wealth-management unit. Direct ownership of residential and commercial properties was the No. 1 alternative-investment pick for 2014, with a third of millionaires surveyed saying they plan to buy this year. Twenty-three percent said they expect to invest in real estate investment trusts, the second-most popular choice. Most of us do not have enough money to go and buy a property for cash, but with our knowledge and funds we could all be on our way. Thank you, for your remarks but most of them could have been answered if you would have read.
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Then why bring up a REIT if that whats not being formed?
It was addressed at you DrGregMulhauser smart guy. It is very very apparent you only read the FAQ and only the FAQ.
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Sir no where is there any word of REIT's in any of post or plans the first word of REIT was brought up by you in this post...
Try re-reading your original post. Or maybe you'd just like to say that it wasn't really you who dropped in a mention of REITs because you were only quoting somebody else mentioning REITs -- and that doesn't count? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) You had the opportunity for some constructive engagement here, you had the opportunity to identify some gaping chasms of confusion in your offering, you had the the opportunity to achieve at least a marginal improvement in how your plans are being articulated. As I said, I'm done here; good luck to you. (Oh, and you do get that REIT = Real Estate Investment Trust, right?)
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Sir no where is there any word of REIT's in any of post or plans the first word of REIT was brought up by you in this post...
Try re-reading your original post. Or maybe you'd just like to say that it wasn't really you who dropped in a mention of REITs because you were only quoting somebody else mentioning REITs -- and that doesn't count? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) You had the opportunity for some constructive engagement here, you had the opportunity to identify some gaping chasms of confusion in your offering, you had the the opportunity to achieve at least a marginal improvement in how your plans are being articulated. As I said, I'm done here; good luck to you. (Oh, and you do get that REIT = Real Estate Investment Trust, right?) I addressed your concerns if you have any "business" related questions I would be happy to address them, but as for now I just see you as trolling and will not respond.
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REIT would have to be registered with the SEC, so that is a no go. If you get any sort of pooled funds in a real estate transaction it must be registered as a security with the SEC. There are a couple of exceptions 1) The entire loan must come from 1 person with out the pooling of funds 2) The company must be formed as a LLC as a tenants in common aka members manage LLC
The wording has to be in such a way to not trigger a SEC registration. Most real estate terms are written in such a way it seams to be hand waving. This is the address to a property, I understand it, most people will not its not fancy hand waving its legal description written to locate a property. SHAMROCK VIL BE L12 SR 1903 08-030 SHAMROCK VILLAGE INC
The capital structure has not been 100% decided yet due to us not having nailed down a home. I do not think 18 pages of business plan would be acceptable here?
Wording alone is not enough to overcome the economic realities test of SEC v. W.J. Howey Co., 328 U.S. 293 (1946). Members of the organization must have substantial participation in the operations of the organization, mere voting rights are nowhere near enough (even if you didn't know the case law, think about it logically, most equity stakes traded on the major exchanges have voting rights and are still securities). What concerns me about all these investments I see on here are that so many of the issuers are misleading investors into thinking their offerings are compliant when they're not. That means either the issuer is ignorant, which is a concern that investors are putting their money with incompetent people, or the issuer is malevolent, which is concerning for obvious fraud reasons. I don't know about everyone else here, but I'd feel much more comfortable with an issuer that came out and said "look, law essentially prevents me from raising money from you, so this issuance is probably not going to be compliant with the law. Caveat emptor and all that. I think most people here are pretty libertarian, we agree the laws and regulations are draconian, so why try to pretend your compliant? Don't spit on our cake and call it frosting, be up front and let us be adults and make our own informed decision.
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Wording alone is not enough to overcome the economic realities test of SEC v. W.J. Howey Co., 328 U.S. 293 (1946). Members of the organization must have substantial participation in the operations of the organization, mere voting rights are nowhere near enough (even if you didn't know the case law, think about it logically, most equity stakes traded on the major exchanges have voting rights and are still securities). What concerns me about all these investments I see on here are that so many of the issuers are misleading investors into thinking their offerings are compliant when they're not.That means either the issuer is ignorant, which is a concern that investors are putting their money with incompetent people, or the issuer is malevolent, which is concerning for obvious fraud reasons.
I don't know about everyone else here, but I'd feel much more comfortable with an issuer that came out and said "look, law essentially prevents me from raising money from you, so this issuance is probably not going to be compliant with the law. Caveat emptor and all that. I think most people here are pretty libertarian, we agree the laws and regulations are draconian, so why try to pretend your compliant? Don't spit on our cake and call it frosting, be up front and let us be adults and make our own informed decision.
If that was the case I do not think saying "I am breaking the law" is a wise thing to do on a forum we know is monitored by the S.E.C., I know this for a fact cause I was the first one to speak to them when the whole pirate thing went down. They have interns that do nothing but poor over this forum. Are you a lawyer? Why are you only posting on real estate type offerings? [/quote] In the past we have used LLC with no problems but on that note I will be consulting a lawyer come Monday Morning and post findings here. Unless you have a law degree and are not a "sea lawyer".
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If that was the case I do not think saying "I am breaking the law" is a wise thing to do on a forum we know is monitored by the S.E.C., I know this for a fact cause I was the first one to speak to them when the whole pirate thing went down. They have interns that do nothing but poor over this forum.
Are you a lawyer? Why are you only posting on real estate type offerings?
The SEC does not actively monitor this thread, I have two friends that are attorneys for the Commission, and their interns have much better things to do than passive monitoring. If the SEC had the resources to monitor this thread, they'd also have the resources to lend to their Canadian and Panamanian counterparts to shut down Havelock. They certainly have some interest and concern about Crypto-investing, but it's hardly at the top of their list. They didn't even dedicate the resources to convince Justice to indict Shavers, and his was a confirmed scam of a considerable size. I am not a lawyer, I am a third year law student at a T14 school and I've specialized in securities and investment law. I like bitcoin and I'm sick of all the scandals, these postings purporting to be in compliance with the law when they are not are another scandal just begging to happen. I've posted on three different threads, the first was on Havelock's general thread, the second was on RentalStarter, which is offered through Havelock, which I got to because there was a link on the Havelock general thread, and the third is this one, which I came to because the issuer here posted on the second thread. Two of the three threads are real estate by sheer happenstance.
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March 09, 2014, 04:07:54 PM |
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Well help us then, contribute to the bitcoin world and tell us what we need to do to comply. Just going around blasting us for being illegal does not help the face of bitcoin at all. If you were to help us conform to the law would be much more useful.
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March 09, 2014, 04:23:26 PM |
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Well help us then, contribute to the bitcoin world and tell us what we need to do to comply. Just going around blasting us for being illegal does not help the face of bitcoin at all. If you were to help us conform to the law would be much more useful.
The simple reality is, for now, there is no way to comply, at least not in a way that wont be cost-prohibitive or severely limit how you can advertise your offering, how many people could invest, and who could invest. I'm not blasting anyone for being illegal, I'm expressing my concerns with you claiming you're compliant when you're not. Heck, if you don't want to say "yeah, we're illegal", just don't mention anything. When people ask just say "look, this is what we offer, it's up to you to figure out if you think we're compliant." The rules are certainly draconian, but that doesn't really excuse stating you comply with them when you don't. In the future, I'm very hopeful that the rules promulgated under Title III of the JOBS Act will allow for raising capital from the general public in the way that most people do it on this thread, with only slightly more regulatory costs. I'm working on making that happen, through both communication and comment on the SEC's proposed rules ( https://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/2013/33-9470.pdf) and through planning with people in industry, but for now I understand that the securities laws are fairly prohibitive. Just don't claim to be compliant unless you're absolutely sure, preferably on the advice of someone who practices in securities law, that you are.
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