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November 07, 2018, 04:54:12 PM
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Right, so going to ask a few questions with those who think that they have knowledge go ahead and put answers down.


I have bet with a certain website for over 2 years now, they do not accept UK residents and I have bet there. They accepted my UK IP to accept bets over £500,000 via btc.

They have not once ask me for verification because I am in so much loss to them.

Should this be taken to court and my money be given back since KYC regulations say you need to be ID verified once you hit around 1300 in euros...

Much more to come on this. Let the answers begin
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November 07, 2018, 05:03:04 PM
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Right, so going to ask a few questions with those who think that they have knowledge go ahead and put answers down.


I have bet with a certain website for over 2 years now, they do not accept UK residents and I have bet there. They accepted my UK IP to accept bets over £500,000 via btc.

They have not once ask me for verification because I am in so much loss to them.

Should this be taken to court and my money be given back since KYC regulations say you need to be ID verified once you hit around 1300 in euros...

Much more to come on this. Let the answers begin

Would you say the same if you had won?

Long story short: No, it's your own responsibility.

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November 07, 2018, 05:05:21 PM
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Yes because I have won there too they paid me etc. But they have crossed the line and did not do any regulations so I will take them to court, you are just trying to get your post count up
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November 07, 2018, 05:08:46 PM
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Right, so going to ask a few questions with those who think that they have knowledge go ahead and put answers down.


I have bet with a certain website for over 2 years now, they do not accept UK residents and I have bet there. They accepted my UK IP to accept bets over £500,000 via btc.

They have not once ask me for verification because I am in so much loss to them.

Should this be taken to court and my money be given back since KYC regulations say you need to be ID verified once you hit around 1300 in euros...

Much more to come on this. Let the answers begin
I'm confused. You have lost £500k to this online bookmaker?
If yes and you are not trolling, over what period of time?
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November 07, 2018, 05:09:00 PM
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Yes because I have won there too they paid me etc. But they have crossed the line and did not do any regulations so I will take them to court, you are just trying to get your post count up

And why would I do that?


Anyway, why don't you give more information? Like the website's name, their policiy and all that?


For now it just sounds like some butt hurt player who complains after losing..

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November 07, 2018, 05:12:17 PM
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Yes because I have won there too they paid me etc. But they have crossed the line and did not do any regulations so I will take them to court, you are just trying to get your post count up
No, you lost your money, thats gambling
You can take them to court sure, but you will lose more money in the process of paying for the court because you will be the one who will lose it lmao

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November 07, 2018, 05:28:39 PM
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Regulations state verification needed for ALL laws need to be done, you are all idiots trying to get post count up.

Not even sure why I posted here haha
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November 07, 2018, 05:33:45 PM
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Regulations state verification needed for ALL laws need to be done, you are all idiots trying to get post count up.

Not even sure why I posted here haha
I asked a genuine question that you have chosen to ignore - I have no interest in inflating my post count.

Anyway, good luck in taking legal action against a bookmaker over losses and KYC rules. You'll need it.
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November 07, 2018, 05:42:25 PM
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Regulations state verification needed for ALL laws need to be done, you are all idiots trying to get post count up.

Not even sure why I posted here haha

Don't post if you can't handle criticism.

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November 07, 2018, 05:43:07 PM
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Right, so going to ask a few questions with those who think that they have knowledge go ahead and put answers down.


I have bet with a certain website for over 2 years now, they do not accept UK residents and I have bet there. They accepted my UK IP to accept bets over £500,000 via btc.

They have not once ask me for verification because I am in so much loss to them.

Should this be taken to court and my money be given back since KYC regulations say you need to be ID verified once you hit around 1300 in euros...

Much more to come on this. Let the answers begin
I'm confused. You have lost £500k to this online bookmaker?
If yes and you are not trolling, over what period of time?
Over the space of 2 years
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November 08, 2018, 12:00:08 AM
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Yes because I have won there too they paid me etc. But they have crossed the line and did not do any regulations so I will take them to court, you are just trying to get your post count up

And why would I do that?


Anyway, why don't you give more information? Like the website's name, their policiy and all that?


For now it just sounds like some butt hurt player who complains after losing..

This exactly, the casino's registered location is going to play a huge part in terms of whether or not you are going to be actually able to receive a settlement from the casino. You should give more information such as the website name, location, etc.

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral. If you play at a casino (in the right frame of mind) and lose, don't expect loss back because of a legal framework that you might've known about ahead of time.

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November 08, 2018, 01:28:17 AM
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Website sportsbet.io They do not own a licence and they illegally accepted my bets via UK IP's also KYC regulations, I was never asked for this because I lost so much to do they tried keeping me happy, I know I can get my money back, just in search of the right hands legally then I will be fine
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November 08, 2018, 04:26:38 AM
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Seems kind of retarded to me. You want your money back because ... you broke their ToS? (which explicitly state you shouldn't play if you're a resident of the UK).

If they tried to seize your winnings just because you were in a not-allowed jurisdiction, I'd consider that extremely scammy. So I'm not one for double-standards =)

But fortunately for you, the law isn't always just. So if you do want to pursue a case, you'll need to find an actual lawyer in curaçao (where they are registered, and have a gaming license). Also you really need an actual lawyer. Anything you find on these forums has a 50% chance of being wrong and a 50% chance of being a scam...
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November 08, 2018, 04:49:38 AM
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Website sportsbet.io They do not own a licence and they illegally accepted my bets via UK IP's also KYC regulations, I was never asked for this because I lost so much to do they tried keeping me happy, I know I can get my money back, just in search of the right hands legally then I will be fine

From their TOS:

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3.3.       You are aware that the right to access and use the website and any products there offered, may be considered illegal in certain countries. We are not able to verify the legality of service in each and every jurisdiction, consequently, you are responsible in determining whether your accessing and using our website is compliant with the applicable laws in your country and you warrant to us that gambling is not illegal in the territory where you reside.  For various legal or commercial reasons, we do not permit accounts to be opened or used by customers resident in certain jurisdictions, including the United States of America (and her dependencies, military bases and territories), Australia, United Kingdom, Estonia, or other restricted jurisdictions (“Restricted Jurisdiction”) as communicated by us from time to time. By using the Website you confirm you are not a resident in a Restricted Jurisdiction.

You registered without fully reading their TOS. I can't speak on the law portion of this, but I can honestly tell you it will be an uphill battle attempting to get loss-back when you accepted their TOS upon registration. Don't attempt to use any of the services skillfully provided here on BitcoinTalk; if you are serious about this, seek the advice of a lawyer.

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November 08, 2018, 07:12:19 AM
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When you break a ToS you cant pretend money back

The only case of money back is when the company break some rules, like security or privacy or other

When you do signup, you read contract?

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November 08, 2018, 07:29:18 AM
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Am I missing something here? Why in the world would you slap "Scam Website" on a legit casino / sportsbook operation that, in my experience, is doing honest business. I personally have had an account and been a happy client for years. That 500 you lost is probably paying for the deep roster of lawyers on their bench that would squash a moron like you
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November 09, 2018, 06:13:08 AM
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Am I missing something here? Why in the world would you slap "Scam Website" on a legit casino / sportsbook operation that, in my experience, is doing honest business. I personally have had an account and been a happy client for years. That 500 you lost is probably paying for the deep roster of lawyers on their bench that would squash a moron like you

Because there has been a sudden rush of users who heard the word "lossback" and suddenly think they have an avenue to receive all of their funds back (whether it be financially motivated, legally motivated, whatever).

It's unfortunate, because it's more or less just dishonesty. You play at a casino knowing the risks. You can't complain afterwards. If there's dishonesty on the part of the casino (not enforcing a ban for example), then that's a different story. But for this case, it's clearly all written out in the TOS.

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November 09, 2018, 07:53:20 AM
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Am I missing something here? Why in the world would you slap "Scam Website" on a legit casino / sportsbook operation that, in my experience, is doing honest business. I personally have had an account and been a happy client for years. That 500 you lost is probably paying for the deep roster of lawyers on their bench that would squash a moron like you

people do signup without reading the ToS
When i do a signup and put in my money, i READ ALWAYS the ToS because a single clause can fu*k my money

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November 09, 2018, 02:03:57 PM
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I don't know if you would actually have a case against them. You've basically just broken their own TOS.
Which laws have they broken exactly? I'm a little bit confused about that part.

Anyway, I don't think anyone in this forum knows enough about this particular legal subject to be of help to you.
You should talk to a lawyer and get their opinion, though I don't think you even have a case here.

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November 09, 2018, 04:13:30 PM
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Website sportsbet.io They do not own a licence and they illegally accepted my bets via UK IP's also KYC regulations, I was never asked for this because I lost so much to do they tried keeping me happy, I know I can get my money back, just in search of the right hands legally then I will be fine
I dont really know on what to say because where on the world would you get that logic which you have agreed on their TOS when using up their site and now

you lost up big money and wants to make your loss back? This is gambling and its clearly stated that once you agreed theres no reason for you to complain after using their service.

For sure you wont really make any words or complaints if you do make money or win big time but this is typically a "butt-hurt" gambler reasons.


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