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[Agarthian]

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[veleten]

Right, so going to ask a few questions with those who think that they have knowledge go ahead and put answers down.


I have bet with a certain website for over 2 years now, they do not accept UK residents and I have bet there. They accepted my UK IP to accept bets over £500,000 via btc.

They have not once ask me for verification because I am in so much loss to them.

Should this be taken to court and my money be given back since KYC regulations say you need to be ID verified once you hit around 1300 in euros...

Much more to come on this. Let the answers begin

from a common sense standpoint and logics- no
you might find a shrewd paralegal to screw you out of even more money promising to win the case
but trust me the chances of it are close to zero
you broke their TOS and want your money back ,sound like a legit reason .... NOT
I understand you are upset and 500.000 pounds is not some small change, but realistically, there is no way in hell you will get your money back

[Initscri]

@OP, probably just a good idea to lock this thread & seek legal advice if you believe you have a case. Bottom left corner.

This thread is just going to keep having responses of people saying the same thing.

[stomachgrowls]

@OP, probably just a good idea to lock this thread & seek legal advice if you believe you have a case. Bottom left corner.

This thread is just going to keep having responses of people saying the same thing.

Seeking out local legal service would be a good option but since he do talk that hes broke he might not able to do it as well and i doubt that lawyers advice would just be still similar on what most
people do talk on here.

This thread cant be locked since he do still keep insisting that he's on the right path.

[BTCevo]

This is not how gambling site works, you lose your money and take it to the court and all of these things is your responsibility, besides, you are already knoe the consequences when you played on their restricted area. Sometimes this is their tactics just to bring more players. They ban some countries but yet sometimes we can logged in by using vpn so whenever you win you can't withdraw and when you lose, it will be just stay the same. And if you already make uo your mind having this to court then you shoule not bothering asking this kind of questions again

[veleten]

@OP, probably just a good idea to lock this thread & seek legal advice if you believe you have a case. Bottom left corner.

This thread is just going to keep having responses of people saying the same thing.

Seeking out local legal service would be a good option but since he do talk that hes broke he might not able to do it as well and i doubt that lawyers advice would just be still similar on what most
people do talk on here.

This thread cant be locked since he do still keep insisting that he's on the right path.

I say let him try to take it to court and get skinned by the lawyers
he will regret ever thinking about it , could cost him up to half of the money he says he lost
also seeking advice on a forum - this is what you get, take it or leave it
want to get a more qualified answer, pay money
or you can try the legal section , there are a couple of guys promoting their legal services and answering questions in their topics
might be of some help

[doge10x]

Hey dude, can you send me a private message? I have some feedback as I experienced something similar.

[STT]

Obviously an actual legal consult is required on this and also you need the locations not just of yourself but the court you propose to petition with this case.  Then you would need to see if that court has any jurisdiction over the country this company runs its accounts in.

Im no legal eagle but courts wont generally favour those who try to game the system.  Forget the complicated bets, just consider one spin of the roulette wheel for 50k and red or black.  Can we really expect the court to take sides in this bet as a kind of insurance, I wish I could give some case law on this but from my experience the law isnt usually this nice to people.   Even when you in the right for sure its usually a pain to sue.   

[Kakmakr]

“right of admission reserved” and even prohibited means that your country are not allowed to gamble on their site. The site gives you a opportunity to accept the ToS when you signed up for their site, so you cannot say that you missed that.

If this was a Brick n Mortar casino, you would not have been able to gamble with a legal ID in that casino, because they would stop you when you signup for the access card, but online casinos are different. They cannot screen people, so they rely on you to read the ToS and then to abide by their rules.

If you break the rules stipulated in their ToS, then it is on you. 

[Get-Paid.com]

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral.

With all due respect, casinos and gambling establishments are not exactly running the purest form of business neither, so I don't think you can call people immoral when it comes to cash.

When it comes to cash - no one can be trusted, that's a fact, drop a $100 note in a public street, someone will take it, period.

We do agree that users are trying to abuse the system and cheat and it's manipulation, but please don't use the word immoral as the entire gambling industry is not exactly moral neither.

Thanks.

[Initscri]

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral.

With all due respect, casinos and gambling establishments are not exactly running the purest form of business neither, so I don't think you can call people immoral when it comes to cash.

When it comes to cash - no one can be trusted, that's a fact, drop a $100 note in a public street, someone will take it, period.

We do agree that users are trying to abuse the system and cheat and it's manipulation, but please don't use the word immoral as the entire gambling industry is not exactly moral neither.

Thanks.

Abuse of system, cheating, manipulation = immoral.
I feel like the definition of the word "immoral" goes inline with the 3 mentioned acts.

I'm sure there are plenty of casinos which don't play by the rules.
I'm sure there are plenty of users which don't play by the rules.

Just because 1 group does, doesn't make it right for the other group as well. Both can have bad immoral parties taking advantage of people/companies. It doesn't make it right either way.

I'm going to use the word immoral when I see it. And I'm just simply suggesting the acts of trying to manipulate the casino out of profit is immoral when the OP knew what he/she was doing. I'm not suggesting every casino and/or user is a saint by any means.

[veleten]

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral.

With all due respect, casinos and gambling establishments are not exactly running the purest form of business neither, so I don't think you can call people immoral when it comes to cash.

When it comes to cash - no one can be trusted, that's a fact, drop a $100 note in a public street, someone will take it, period.

We do agree that users are trying to abuse the system and cheat and it's manipulation, but please don't use the word immoral as the entire gambling industry is not exactly moral neither.

Thanks.

Abuse of system, cheating, manipulation = immoral.
I feel like the definition of the word "immoral" goes inline with the 3 mentioned acts.

I'm sure there are plenty of casinos which don't play by the rules.
I'm sure there are plenty of users which don't play by the rules.

Just because 1 group does, doesn't make it right for the other group as well. Both can have bad immoral parties taking advantage of people/companies. It doesn't make it right either way.

I'm going to use the word immoral when I see it. And I'm just simply suggesting the acts of trying to manipulate the casino out of profit is immoral when the OP knew what he/she was doing. I'm not suggesting every casino and/or user is a saint by any means.

you are looking at it from the point of view of morality, it may be immoral but it is also pretty much fruitless to try
he literally has no case here, even if he proves that casino knowingly let him bet despite their TOS KYC rules
and I'm sure there will be something in their TOS to ensure the situations like that are covered from the legal point of view
if it were only moral grounds, I bet this guy would have sued the casino without batting an eyelid

[AnotherBTCNoob]

You could also turn the argument on it's head. If he had won a chunk of cash and they came after him stating that he shouldn't be betting being that UK people are not permitted on there and now they expect all of his winnings to be returned. Can you imagine his reaction? (anyone's reaction in fact!). You would tell them to piss off.  

[Initscri]

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral.

With all due respect, casinos and gambling establishments are not exactly running the purest form of business neither, so I don't think you can call people immoral when it comes to cash.

When it comes to cash - no one can be trusted, that's a fact, drop a $100 note in a public street, someone will take it, period.

We do agree that users are trying to abuse the system and cheat and it's manipulation, but please don't use the word immoral as the entire gambling industry is not exactly moral neither.

Thanks.

Abuse of system, cheating, manipulation = immoral.
I feel like the definition of the word "immoral" goes inline with the 3 mentioned acts.

I'm sure there are plenty of casinos which don't play by the rules.
I'm sure there are plenty of users which don't play by the rules.

Just because 1 group does, doesn't make it right for the other group as well. Both can have bad immoral parties taking advantage of people/companies. It doesn't make it right either way.

I'm going to use the word immoral when I see it. And I'm just simply suggesting the acts of trying to manipulate the casino out of profit is immoral when the OP knew what he/she was doing. I'm not suggesting every casino and/or user is a saint by any means.

you are looking at it from the point of view of morality, it may be immoral but it is also pretty much fruitless to try
he literally has no case here, even if he proves that casino knowingly let him bet despite their TOS KYC rules
and I'm sure there will be something in their TOS to ensure the situations like that are covered from the legal point of view
if it were only moral grounds, I bet this guy would have sued the casino without batting an eyelid

No, I completely agree; if the OP decides to pursue legal action it's only going to be a very long uphill battlements. Settlements don't come easy, especially when you violated a TOS.

You could also turn the argument on it's head. If he had won a chunk of cash and they came after him stating that he shouldn't be betting being that UK people are not permitted on there and now they expect all of his winnings to be returned. Can you imagine his reaction? (anyone's reaction in fact!). You would tell them to piss off. 

There's no doubt many casino's would do that. But the difference here is that the user's tend to knowingly violate the TOS, where-as the companies can't always automate procedures to prevent betting if users are circumventing them through things like VPNs, Proxies, etc.

At the end of the day, even though it can be tedious, users should really know to at-least have a basic understanding of the TOS and gambling law for their own country before gambling.

[game-protect]

The "advices" given on bitcointalk on how to enforce illegally taken crypto currencies are typically not worth 5 cents!

Anyway, I don't think anyone in this forum knows enough about this particular legal subject to be of help to you.

Except Game Protect

You should talk to a lawyer and get their opinion, though I don't think you even have a case here.

Preferably in China.

[dantee1]

All we could do here is to wish you good luck, because you will need plenty of it in your pursuit of lost gambles. However, be careful you don't lose more money in your potentially futile quest.

[tortic25]

Right, so going to ask a few questions with those who think that they have knowledge go ahead and put answers down.


I have bet with a certain website for over 2 years now, they do not accept UK residents and I have bet there. They accepted my UK IP to accept bets over £500,000 via btc.

They have not once ask me for verification because I am in so much loss to them.

Should this be taken to court and my money be given back since KYC regulations say you need to be ID verified once you hit around 1300 in euros...

Much more to come on this. Let the answers begin

Regulations state verification needed for ALL laws need to be done, you are all idiots trying to get post count up.

Not even sure why I posted here haha

you ask for help and call them idiots

1. it's not when you hit 1300 but when there is a transaction over 1300.
if you're making micro deposits all day, every day then they would not be required to.

2. theres a kyc fee and i'm sure they only do it with cashouts, every casino i have ever used has did it this way.

3. you lost, so be a man and stop trying to scam them. you're on here sounding like a crackhead

4. these suggestion "1-3" are shit, because i don't feel the need to add any effort for something so obvious. ask idiotic questions get idiotic responses.

The "advices" given on bitcointalk on how to enforce illegally taken crypto currencies are typically not worth 5 cents!

especially yours, i have seen your post everywhere and, it's very clear you're uneducated.
like a damn spam bot, putting random words together, creating 5shitpost/sec.
but it bothers me, because if you're still posting, you're still able to scam retards who can't look at your trust, and the evidence of the human race devolving is worrisome.

[darkangel11]

OP lost and is now looking for ways around it all. OP, you're like that guy who goes to a restaurant, tries a meal, eats it all, then tells the staff that it tasted bad and that he wants his money back. You're a coward scammer OP.

The "advices" given on bitcointalk on how to enforce illegally taken crypto currencies are typically not worth 5 cents!

Anyway, I don't think anyone in this forum knows enough about this particular legal subject to be of help to you.

Except Game Protect

And advice given by you is worth more than 5 cents? With the trust that you've gathered nobody is going to take you seriously, at least on this forum.  

[Initscri]

OP lost and is now looking for ways around it all. OP, you're like that guy who goes to a restaurant, tries a meal, eats it all, then tells the staff that it tasted bad and that he wants his money back. You're a coward scammer OP.

The "advices" given on bitcointalk on how to enforce illegally taken crypto currencies are typically not worth 5 cents!

Anyway, I don't think anyone in this forum knows enough about this particular legal subject to be of help to you.

Except Game Protect

And advice given by you is worth more than 5 cents?

In total $ millions!

With the trust that you've gathered nobody is going to take you seriously, at least on this forum.

Are you connected with the brains of all bitcointalk members or how do you know?

At least one bitcointalk member did not fall into the brain wash trap!

Questions to bitcointalk players and bettors:

1) Are you misleaded by the -128 Warning shown in my profile to not register your gambling and betting accounts with Game Protect and play with consumer protection service?

2) Are you misleaded by the -128 Warning shown in my profile to not engage Game Protect to enforce your claim?

1) No, we used GameProtect which helped us to receive a high compensation for a previous case, it is genuine and it works!
2) No, we're not.

Thanks!

Hmm, yet you can spent seem to prove it. It's funny how that works.

You can literally only cite a small handful of users (maybe) who have found your service valuable; and TBH, when you have this much negative trust, who's to say that user isn't biased/affiliated with you in anyway.

You'd catch more flies with honey. Maybe having an intellectual debate instead of calling everyone who doesn't agree with you "mentally ill" would do you more favour with the community.

[Initscri]

OP lost and is now looking for ways around it all. OP, you're like that guy who goes to a restaurant, tries a meal, eats it all, then tells the staff that it tasted bad and that he wants his money back. You're a coward scammer OP.

The "advices" given on bitcointalk on how to enforce illegally taken crypto currencies are typically not worth 5 cents!

Anyway, I don't think anyone in this forum knows enough about this particular legal subject to be of help to you.

Except Game Protect

And advice given by you is worth more than 5 cents?

In total $ millions!

With the trust that you've gathered nobody is going to take you seriously, at least on this forum.

Are you connected with the brains of all bitcointalk members or how do you know?

At least one bitcointalk member did not fall into the brain wash trap!

Questions to bitcointalk players and bettors:

1) Are you misleaded by the -128 Warning shown in my profile to not register your gambling and betting accounts with Game Protect and play with consumer protection service?

2) Are you misleaded by the -128 Warning shown in my profile to not engage Game Protect to enforce your claim?

1) No, we used GameProtect which helped us to receive a high compensation for a previous case, it is genuine and it works!
2) No, we're not.

Thanks!

You can literally only cite a small handful of users (maybe) who have found your service valuable;

You can not cite one user who has found our service not valuable!

and TBH, when you have this much negative trust, who's to say that user isn't biased/affiliated with you in anyway.

You can not cite one user who's trust is breached!

Maybe having an intellectual debate instead of calling everyone who doesn't agree with you "mentally ill" would do you more favour with the community.

Experience has shown that you can not have an intellectual debate with paid mentally ill nonsense shit posters!

Actually, I can, when I bring up users who have suggested your service is BS; you dismiss them as disgruntled.

"who's trust is breached!": What do you mean by breached? There are many users who had 100% positive trust before you sent negative trust to them, myself included.