REEEEE: PussyGate, a Collection of Trump Investigations

[TwitchySeal]

2017..."new" It is also a report from the very people responsible for the crimes. Very reliable.

My bad, I only linked the original report. (I edited it)

The Senate intelligence committee (Republican Run) just finished their review of the 2017 intelligence report and turns out it was all good.

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[TECSHARE]

2017..."new" It is also a report from the very people responsible for the crimes. Very reliable.

My bad, I only linked the original report. (I edited it)

The Senate intelligence committee (Republican Run) just finished their review of the 2017 intelligence report and turns out it was all good.

"We reviewed our crimes, we declare ourselves not guilty! Everyone can go home now. Nothing to see here!"



Quoting because of attempts at topic sliding:

"Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes, Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn"

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/powell-unsealed-fbi-handwritten-notes-emails-reveal-agents-plotted-perjury-trap-flynn

"Surprise discovery in Flynn case: former lawyers find evidence they failed to produce"

https://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/jw-v-dod-baker-ignatius-prod-1-03564/



"Judicial Watch: Emails Show Extensive Communications Between Senior Defense Official and Columnist Who Published Leaked Info on Flynn Calls with Russian Ambassador"

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/flynn-dodofficial-columnist/

[TwitchySeal]

The Flynn thing is interesting.

If you purger yourself during a guilty plea, and the guilty plea is part of a plea deal to avoid much more serious crimes, and then you get everything thrown out....he's going to face charges for the crimes he actually committed right?  And not get any credit for all the cooperation.

I mean, we know Turkey was paying him when he wrote that op-ed.  And we know he lied on his financial disclosures.  And we know he didn't register as foreign agent till he got caught...and that's one item on a list of many things...

What is his play here?  Are people really going to rally around him and claim exoneration because he wasn't told not to lie to the FBI?

[squatz1]

The Flynn thing is interesting.

If you purger yourself during a guilty plea, and the guilty plea is part of a plea deal to avoid much more serious crimes, and then you get everything thrown out....he's going to face charges for the crimes he actually committed right?  And not get any credit for all the cooperation.

I mean, we know Turkey was paying him when he wrote that op-ed.  And we know he lied on his financial disclosures.  And we know he didn't register as foreign agent till he got caught...and that's one item on a list of many things...

What is his play here?  Are people really going to rally around him and claim exoneration because he wasn't told not to lie to the FBI?

Was reading some broadstrokes of the politico article regarding all of this, and it all looks a bit weird. Here's one of the quotes that I grabbed that was a bit weird from one of the FBI officials:

“What is our goal? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” the notes read.

That just sounds a bit weird. I know that it is a common goal of investigators to ask you questions that they already know the answer to, it just comes off a bit weird to me. I think that Flynn is praying that the new Justice Department under the lead of William Barr will be a bit friendly towards him.

I know Barr has a taskforce setup to investigate the investigation of Barr to see if there was any wrongdoing, still ongoing.

[TwitchySeal]

The Flynn thing is interesting.

If you purger yourself during a guilty plea, and the guilty plea is part of a plea deal to avoid much more serious crimes, and then you get everything thrown out....he's going to face charges for the crimes he actually committed right?  And not get any credit for all the cooperation.

I mean, we know Turkey was paying him when he wrote that op-ed.  And we know he lied on his financial disclosures.  And we know he didn't register as foreign agent till he got caught...and that's one item on a list of many things...

What is his play here?  Are people really going to rally around him and claim exoneration because he wasn't told not to lie to the FBI?

Was reading some broadstrokes of the politico article regarding all of this, and it all looks a bit weird. Here's one of the quotes that I grabbed that was a bit weird from one of the FBI officials:

“What is our goal? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” the notes read.

That just sounds a bit weird. I know that it is a common goal of investigators to ask you questions that they already know the answer to, it just comes off a bit weird to me. I think that Flynn is praying that the new Justice Department under the lead of William Barr will be a bit friendly towards him.

I know Barr has a taskforce setup to investigate the investigation of Barr to see if there was any wrongdoing, still ongoing.

Check out his guilty plea: https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

I take back the perjury statement earlier...it doesn't seem like he's actually claiming innocent (I could be wrong).

I don't get how there is such a huge rally around the guy.  I mean, I get he was a huge asset to the military...but he obviously broke the law, admitted it and took a deal that very likely would result in no jail time.

Am I missing something Tecshare?  Do you think he's actually innocent?  Or just not care that he's guilty since you share political views?

[squatz1]

The Flynn thing is interesting.

If you purger yourself during a guilty plea, and the guilty plea is part of a plea deal to avoid much more serious crimes, and then you get everything thrown out....he's going to face charges for the crimes he actually committed right?  And not get any credit for all the cooperation.

I mean, we know Turkey was paying him when he wrote that op-ed.  And we know he lied on his financial disclosures.  And we know he didn't register as foreign agent till he got caught...and that's one item on a list of many things...

What is his play here?  Are people really going to rally around him and claim exoneration because he wasn't told not to lie to the FBI?

Was reading some broadstrokes of the politico article regarding all of this, and it all looks a bit weird. Here's one of the quotes that I grabbed that was a bit weird from one of the FBI officials:

“What is our goal? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” the notes read.

That just sounds a bit weird. I know that it is a common goal of investigators to ask you questions that they already know the answer to, it just comes off a bit weird to me. I think that Flynn is praying that the new Justice Department under the lead of William Barr will be a bit friendly towards him.

I know Barr has a taskforce setup to investigate the investigation of Barr to see if there was any wrongdoing, still ongoing.

Check out his guilty plea: https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

I take back the perjury statement earlier...it doesn't seem like he's actually claiming innocent (I could be wrong).

I don't get how there is such a huge rally around the guy.  I mean, I get he was a huge asset to the military...but he obviously broke the law, admitted it and took a deal that very likely would result in no jail time.

Am I missing something Tecshare?  Do you think he's actually innocent?  Or just not care that he's guilty since you share political views?

Thought for a second that you were calling me TecShare and got a bit confused.

I think the end goal for this guy is to be able to get out of this and to say that the FBI was against him the whole time in a biased way, and that he was never wrong at all. Maybe he'll try to clear his name to be able to start up another consulting company (and this time follow the law)

No idea. No idea what the hell is going on here. Give it a few days and the news will tell us some story.....lol.

[TwitchySeal]

Thought for a second that you were calling me TecShare and got a bit confused.

I think the end goal for this guy is to be able to get out of this and to say that the FBI was against him the whole time in a biased way, and that he was never wrong at all. Maybe he'll try to clear his name to be able to start up another consulting company (and this time follow the law)

No idea. No idea what the hell is going on here. Give it a few days and the news will tell us some story.....lol.

Na, but Tecshare seems to be buying into the whole 'gotcha' mentality that most of the right wing media is pushing right now.

I mean yeah, FBI fucked up.  And yeah maybe Flynn will get off bc of it.  But treating the guy like a victim because 'they didn't tell me it would be illegal to lie to the fbi about crimes I committed'...really?

[TECSHARE]

Thought for a second that you were calling me TecShare and got a bit confused.

I think the end goal for this guy is to be able to get out of this and to say that the FBI was against him the whole time in a biased way, and that he was never wrong at all. Maybe he'll try to clear his name to be able to start up another consulting company (and this time follow the law)

No idea. No idea what the hell is going on here. Give it a few days and the news will tell us some story.....lol.

Na, but Tecshare seems to be buying into the whole 'gotcha' mentality that most of the right wing media is pushing right now.

I mean yeah, FBI fucked up.  And yeah maybe Flynn will get off bc of it.  But treating the guy like a victim because 'they didn't tell me it would be illegal to lie to the fbi about crimes I committed'...really?

CONSPIRACY SITES! CONSPIRACY SITES! RIGHT WING MEDIA! SQWAAAAWK!

It is pretty pathetic how much you rely on character attacks. If the FBI interviews me and I tell them I ate a ham sandwich at 12:15, and it was really at 12:18, I can be charged with perjury against the FBI. If I tell them I put mustard on it and it was really mayo, that is another perjury charge. This is a well known strategy the FBI uses to railroad people when they have no evidence to support other charges. This was a political prosecution for a process crime. Of course people like you prefer to reject reality and substitute your own as long as it confirms your bias. It amazes me with such tiny nuts how you still have the balls to still try to support this Russia collusion delusion after everything that has come out.

[TwitchySeal]

Thought for a second that you were calling me TecShare and got a bit confused.

I think the end goal for this guy is to be able to get out of this and to say that the FBI was against him the whole time in a biased way, and that he was never wrong at all. Maybe he'll try to clear his name to be able to start up another consulting company (and this time follow the law)

No idea. No idea what the hell is going on here. Give it a few days and the news will tell us some story.....lol.

Na, but Tecshare seems to be buying into the whole 'gotcha' mentality that most of the right wing media is pushing right now.

I mean yeah, FBI fucked up.  And yeah maybe Flynn will get off bc of it.  But treating the guy like a victim because 'they didn't tell me it would be illegal to lie to the fbi about crimes I committed'...really?

CONSPIRACY SITES! CONSPIRACY SITES! RIGHT WING MEDIA! SWAAAAWK!

It is pretty pathetic how much you rely on character attacks. If the FBI interviews me and I tell them I ate a ham sandwich at 12:15, and it was really at 12:18, I can be charged with perjury against the FBI. If I tell them I put mustard on it and it was really mayo, that is another perjury charge. This is a well known strategy the FBI uses to railroad people when they have no evidence to support other charges. This was a political prosecution for a process crime. Of course people like you prefer to reject reality and substitute your own as long as it confirms your bias. It amazes me with such tiny nuts how you still have the balls to still try to support this Russia collusion delusion after everything that has come out.

Do you think Flynn did these things: https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

[Spendulus]

Na, but Tecshare seems to be buying into the whole 'gotcha' mentality that most of the right wing media is pushing right now.

I mean yeah, FBI fucked up.  And yeah maybe Flynn will get off bc of it.  But treating the guy like a victim because 'they didn't tell me it would be illegal to lie to the fbi about crimes I committed'...really?

CONSPIRACY SITES! CONSPIRACY SITES! RIGHT WING MEDIA! SWAAAAWK!

It is pretty pathetic how much you rely on character attacks. If the FBI interviews me and I tell them I ate a ham sandwich at 12:15, and it was really at 12:18, I can be charged with perjury against the FBI. If I tell them I put mustard on it and it was really mayo, that is another perjury charge. This is a well known strategy the FBI uses to railroad people when they have no evidence to support other charges. This was a political prosecution for a process crime. Of course people like you prefer to reject reality and substitute your own as long as it confirms your bias. It amazes me with such tiny nuts how you still have the balls to still try to support this Russia collusion delusion after everything that has come out.

Do you think Flynn did these things: https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

Regarding "where they didn't tell me it would be illegal to lie to the fbi about crimes I committed"

Item #2 is there to assert that the issues presented have material relevance to something important, and I do not see at all that they had such relevance.

Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?

Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.

[TECSHARE]

Do you think Flynn did these things: https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

Funny, with how much weight they are putting on what Flynn said, there is no actual transcript of what he actually said included. Interesting huh?

[Spendulus]

Do you think Flynn did these things: https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

Funny, with how much weight they are putting on what Flynn said, there is no actual transcript of what he actually said included. Interesting huh?

Initial pleading by Gov?

[TwitchySeal]

Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?

Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.

He was being paid by Turkey to lobby the US gov on their behalf.  He didn't file as a foreign agent within 10 days (felony), and when he did file 4 months later after he got caught, he lied on the Foreign Agent application and didn't include things that were required by law to include (felony).

Do you think Flynn did these things: https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

Funny, with how much weight they are putting on what Flynn said, there is no actual transcript of what he actually said included. Interesting huh?

Yeah, maybe his lawyer is part of the deep state and they kidnapped his kids or something to force him to sign the statement of offence and plea deal.

[Spendulus]

Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?

Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.

He was being paid by Turkey to lobby the US gov on their behalf.  He didn't file as a foreign agent within 10 days (felony), and when he did file 4 months later after he got caught, he lied on the Foreign Agent application and didn't include things that were required by law to include (felony).

Let's see the court transcript and the supporting evidence, including full transcripts of the source documents.

There is a HUGE amount of very suspicious behavior in this case, and I will give you a hint. It's not on Flynn's side.

[TwitchySeal]

 

Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?

Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.

He was being paid by Turkey to lobby the US gov on their behalf.  He didn't file as a foreign agent within 10 days (felony), and when he did file 4 months later after he got caught, he lied on the Foreign Agent application and didn't include things that were required by law to include (felony).

Let's see the court transcript and the supporting evidence, including full transcripts of the source documents.

There is a HUGE amount of very suspicious behavior in this case, and I will give you a hint. It's not on Flynn's side.

I don't think you understand.  He pled guilty.  There was no trial.  The only court transcripts would be of him pleading guilty, and (almost) getting sentenced where the judge basically asked him a bunch of times "are you sure? do you understand what's happening? do you understand there's no take backs?"

[Spendulus]

Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?

Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.

He was being paid by Turkey to lobby the US gov on their behalf.  He didn't file as a foreign agent within 10 days (felony), and when he did file 4 months later after he got caught, he lied on the Foreign Agent application and didn't include things that were required by law to include (felony).

Let's see the court transcript and the supporting evidence, including full transcripts of the source documents.

There is a HUGE amount of very suspicious behavior in this case, and I will give you a hint. It's not on Flynn's side.

I don't think you understand.  He pled guilty.  There was no trial.  The only court transcripts would be of him pleading guilty, and (almost) getting sentenced where the judge basically asked him a bunch of times "are you sure? do you understand what's happening? do you understand there's no take backs?"

I don't think you understand. This is what's called plea bargaining. There certainly is evidence and there are transcripts. Those would have been presented early in the process.

 In the American legal system plea bargaining is much abused. Routinely, innocent people are put in jail for 3-5 years, being pressured to not go to trial as the DA says he will then seek the maximum term.

Plea bargaining guilty is not actually guilty, so please do not act like it is. This case is not over, and my prediction is Flynn will be free, as he should be. I suggest you move on to stronger issues, but if you want to defend the government's handling of this matter, go to it.

[TwitchySeal]

Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?

Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.

He was being paid by Turkey to lobby the US gov on their behalf.  He didn't file as a foreign agent within 10 days (felony), and when he did file 4 months later after he got caught, he lied on the Foreign Agent application and didn't include things that were required by law to include (felony).

Let's see the court transcript and the supporting evidence, including full transcripts of the source documents.

There is a HUGE amount of very suspicious behavior in this case, and I will give you a hint. It's not on Flynn's side.

I don't think you understand.  He pled guilty.  There was no trial.  The only court transcripts would be of him pleading guilty, and (almost) getting sentenced where the judge basically asked him a bunch of times "are you sure? do you understand what's happening? do you understand there's no take backs?"

I don't think you understand. This is what's called plea bargaining. There certainly is evidence and there are transcripts. Those would have been presented early in the process.

 In the American legal system plea bargaining is much abused. Routinely, innocent people are put in jail for 3-5 years, being pressured to not go to trial as the DA says he will then seek the maximum term.

Plea bargaining guilty is not actually guilty, so please do not act like it is. This case is not over, and my prediction is Flynn will be free, as he should be. I suggest you move on to stronger issues, but if you want to defend the government's handling of this matter, go to it.

I'm not defending the government.  All I'm saying is that with all the focus on Russia, impeachment and the FBI acting shady people are just assuming Flynn is innocent.  He's not.  

Michael Flynn is a convicted felon, but if people that reach a deal and plead guilty is not actually guilty let's just talk basic ethics here.

He wrote this op-ed on 2016 election day: Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support
At the time Flynn was widely respected as a retired 3 Star General and part of the Trump Campaign.

Here's his Foreign Agent Registration Filing: https://efile.fara.gov/docs/6406-Supplemental-Statement-20170307-1.pdf
Notice how it was filed in March 2017?



Do you believe that Flynn was being paid by Turkey in 2016 while he was lobbying American politicians to support Turkey in 2016?

Do you believe he did not register as a foreign agent until March 2017?

Do you think it's ethical to lobby for another country that's paying you without being transparent about the fact you're getting paid?  (On bitcointalk we call that shilling.)

Do you believe it would be wrong to make false statements when filing for FARA?  If so, I'll explain the false statements he made if you need.

[dupeddonk]

Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?

Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.

He was being paid by Turkey to lobby the US gov on their behalf.  He didn't file as a foreign agent within 10 days (felony), and when he did file 4 months later after he got caught, he lied on the Foreign Agent application and didn't include things that were required by law to include (felony).

Let's see the court transcript and the supporting evidence, including full transcripts of the source documents.

There is a HUGE amount of very suspicious behavior in this case, and I will give you a hint. It's not on Flynn's side.

I don't think you understand.  He pled guilty.  There was no trial.  The only court transcripts would be of him pleading guilty, and (almost) getting sentenced where the judge basically asked him a bunch of times "are you sure? do you understand what's happening? do you understand there's no take backs?"

I don't think you understand. This is what's called plea bargaining. There certainly is evidence and there are transcripts. Those would have been presented early in the process.

 In the American legal system plea bargaining is much abused. Routinely, innocent people are put in jail for 3-5 years, being pressured to not go to trial as the DA says he will then seek the maximum term.

Plea bargaining guilty is not actually guilty, so please do not act like it is. This case is not over, and my prediction is Flynn will be free, as he should be. I suggest you move on to stronger issues, but if you want to defend the government's handling of this matter, go to it.

I'm not defending the government.  All I'm saying is that with all the focus on Russia, impeachment and the FBI acting shady people are just assuming Flynn is innocent.  He's not.  

Michael Flynn is a convicted felon, but if people that reach a deal and plead guilty is not actually guilty let's just talk basic ethics here.

He wrote this op-ed on 2016 election day: Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support
At the time Flynn was widely respected as a retired 3 Star General and part of the Trump Campaign.

Here's his Foreign Agent Registration Filing: https://efile.fara.gov/docs/6406-Supplemental-Statement-20170307-1.pdf
Notice how it was filed in March 2017?



Do you believe that Flynn was being paid by Turkey in 2016 while he was lobbying American politicians to support Turkey in 2016?

Do you believe he did not register as a foreign agent until March 2017?

Do you think it's ethical to lobby for another country that's paying you without being transparent about the fact you're getting paid?  (On bitcointalk we call that shilling.)

Do you believe it would be wrong to make false statements when filing for FARA?  If so, I'll explain the false statements he made if you need.

your wasting your time.
trump said flynn was exonerated and his followers have been conditioned to believe trump the way my gramma believes jesus christ.

[TECSHARE]

HUR DUR I'mma pretend like I don't know what plea bargaining is

The federal conviction rate is 98%. If you are being charged you WILL be convicted, right or wrong. These charges are manufactured process crimes, and more evidence of this fact is exposed every day in spite of your willful ignorance of this fact. Of course you cling to this totally dismissed desperate effort to push this failed narrative because the democrat party can not win by any legitimate means. As expected, it never stops, accusation after accusation, each one getting more strained and senseless than the last, as they are all proven to be pathetic political ploys one by one. Your party's desperation to save its own ass from prosecution will be the fibers wound into the rope used hang them with.

[TwitchySeal]

HUR DUR I'mma pretend like I don't know what plea bargaining is

The federal conviction rate is 98%. If you are being charged you WILL be convicted, right or wrong. These charges are manufactured process crimes, and more evidence of this fact is exposed every day in spite of your willful ignorance of this fact. Of course you cling to this totally dismissed desperate effort to push this failed narrative because the democrat party can not win by any legitimate means. As expected, it never stops, accusation after accusation, each one getting more strained and senseless than the last, as they are all proven to be pathetic political ploys one by one. Your party's desperation to save its own ass from prosecution will be the fibers wound into the rope used hang them with.

Do you think Flynn violated the Foreign Agent Registration Act?