13 Dead at mass shooting in California Bar

[Flying Hellfish]

Just heard the report of another mass shooting in the US.

13 Dead at bar as gunman walks in and starts shooting.

I didn't see many details but it was reportedly a popular college bar.  No details released on the nut job yet, except he is one of the dead.

More violence, more dead people, MOAR guns please!

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[BADecker]

Imagine that you are walking down the street. You don't have any arms or hands. If you would trip and fall, you wouldn't have any way to get back up easily.

Now imagine all the other people walking down the street are the same way... no arms and hands.

Now imagine that one of these people knows kickboxing. And suppose he is a killer. Couldn't he use his feet to kill many of the rest of the people walking down the street before he was stopped by mob action of the rest?

Wouldn't it be wise for the rest of the people to learn some form of defense against kickboxing?


You ain't gonna get rid of guns. At least not in a freedom country. Better to be armed - learn kickboxing - than to be dead.

[TECSHARE]

Just heard the report of another mass shooting in the US.

13 Dead at bar as gunman walks in and starts shooting.

I didn't see many details but it was reportedly a popular college bar.  No details released on the nut job yet, except he is one of the dead.

More violence, more dead people, MOAR guns please!

I am sure it is just a coincidence the vast majority of the shootings in the US happen in the 2% of counties with some of the strictest gun regulations in the US.

[BADecker]

Just heard the report of another mass shooting in the US.

13 Dead at bar as gunman walks in and starts shooting.

I didn't see many details but it was reportedly a popular college bar.  No details released on the nut job yet, except he is one of the dead.

More violence, more dead people, MOAR guns please!

I am sure it is just a coincidence the vast majority of the shootings in the US happen in the 2 counties with some of the strictest gun regulations in the US.

And Chicago, with something like one-a-day gun murders, even though it has some very strict gun laws.

[virendarnagpal]

I think stress is the major reason behind such attacks.  People are much tensed due to different reasons.  These type of people are filled with negative sentiments.  They are sometimes tensed due to their family circumstances.  Most of the people running here and there, day and night to fulfill their dreams to get luxuries they are yet to get which they see others are enjoying.  And when they do not get they are frustrated.  Family disputes also play major role in putting mental stress on them.
Always running; thinking tensed mind creates frustration.  Such frustrated people can do such actions killing people.  
If we want to stop this and save our society from this; Meditation must be tried to teach each and every citizen from the very start of their life e.g. schooling.  Meditating people's mind is always peaceful and will never do such type of criminal acts.  

[TECSHARE]

And Chicago, with something like one-a-day gun murders, even though it has some very strict gun laws.

Cook county (Chicago) was one of the counties I was referring to. Also it is more than one a day now if I remember right.







https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/

[Flying Hellfish]

It was reportedly a lone male shooter (no race released yet), 22 years old and known to police.  He avoided a 5150 hold last April, seems like the crisis worker didn't have enough to toss him in the looney bin back then.

Reports are he used a glock .45 cal, legally purchased weapon but used a modified mag (reports say the mod was to hold additional rounds).  Reports are the handgun was the only weapon used in the attack.

The nut job was found in an office in the bar with apparent self inflicted fatal wounds when the Police found him.

Police are searching his house now.

Motive and or connection to the scene are not known or being released ATM.

Why are women never the shooters in these cases?  I mean there are some psycho bitches that do some nutty shit but they don't generally get a gun and go on a shooting spree.

[TECSHARE]

It was reportedly a lone male shooter (no race released yet), 22 years old and known to police.  He avoided a 5150 hold last April, seems like the crisis worker didn't have enough to toss him in the looney bin back then.

Reports are he used a glock .45 cal, legally purchased weapon but used a modified mag (reports say the mod was to hold additional rounds).  Reports are the handgun was the only weapon used in the attack.

The nut job was found in an office in the bar with apparent self inflicted fatal wounds when the Police found him.

Police are searching his house now.

Motive and or connection to the scene are not known or being released ATM.

Why are women never the shooters in these cases?  I mean there are some psycho bitches that do some nutty shit but they don't generally get a gun and go on a shooting spree.

Never?



https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ppmzkk/the-sparse-history-of-female-rampage-killers

[@JANIYAA]

Hi,

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/kentucky-supermarket-shooting-us-gunman-opens-fire-killing-2-say-police-1937182

[Scoobers]

Removing guns will not remove the problem, they will find another way.
While a total ban on guns in never going to happen, there needs to be change.
These mass shootings are becoming more frequent and doesn't seem to be any effective measures put in place to prevent them.

[ClockworkTrader]

Removing guns will not remove the problem, they will find another way.
While a total ban on guns in never going to happen, there needs to be change.
These mass shootings are becoming more frequent and doesn't seem to be any effective measures put in place to prevent them.

Agree, even if guns are banned officially there`s always black market that doesn`t care about laws. In case a killer lacks a gun, he can easily use a knife (although with much less "efficiency"), or even make a home brew bomb - there really is no reliable way to 100% prevent such events.
Something should be done apart from banning - it seems the easiest solution, but it feels like the government wants to ban and forget about the problem instead of actually taking actions to fix it.

[Luke_Turner]

It was reportedly a lone male shooter (no race released yet), 22 years old and known to police.  He avoided a 5150 hold last April, seems like the crisis worker didn't have enough to toss him in the looney bin back then.

Reports are he used a glock .45 cal, legally purchased weapon but used a modified mag (reports say the mod was to hold additional rounds).  Reports are the handgun was the only weapon used in the attack.

The nut job was found in an office in the bar with apparent self inflicted fatal wounds when the Police found him.

Police are searching his house now.

Motive and or connection to the scene are not known or being released ATM.

Why are women never the shooters in these cases?  I mean there are some psycho bitches that do some nutty shit but they don't generally get a gun and go on a shooting spree.

The worst thing about this is that the suspect, identified as Ian David Long, had served in the US Marines and fought in Afghanistan. Makes you wonder if you're truly safe in the hands of those who have served the country or not, which is bad because there surely are a whole lot of people who have served the country and turned out alright.

[eddie13]

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6367571/Las-Vegas-massacre-survivors-country-bar-California-gunman-opened-fire.html
REVEALED: Dozens of survivors of Las Vegas massacre were inside the California country bar when shooting broke out because they regularly meet there and treat it as 'a place of healing'
Survivors of the Las Vegas massacre were also at the California bar shooting 
Nick Champion says he and 50 to 60 survivors were at Borderline Bar and Grill when the gunman opened fire on a student night in Thousand Oaks, California   
The survivors considered the bar a 'place of healing' and would often gather

What a coincidence..

[TECSHARE]

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6367571/Las-Vegas-massacre-survivors-country-bar-California-gunman-opened-fire.html
REVEALED: Dozens of survivors of Las Vegas massacre were inside the California country bar when shooting broke out because they regularly meet there and treat it as 'a place of healing'
Survivors of the Las Vegas massacre were also at the California bar shooting 
Nick Champion says he and 50 to 60 survivors were at Borderline Bar and Grill when the gunman opened fire on a student night in Thousand Oaks, California   
The survivors considered the bar a 'place of healing' and would often gather

What a coincidence..

Lose ends to tie up. Like I said, there is a reason they buried the results of the Vegas investigation. Lots of witnesses ending up dead very shortly after the original event as well...

[squatz1]

It was reportedly a lone male shooter (no race released yet), 22 years old and known to police.  He avoided a 5150 hold last April, seems like the crisis worker didn't have enough to toss him in the looney bin back then.

Reports are he used a glock .45 cal, legally purchased weapon but used a modified mag (reports say the mod was to hold additional rounds).  Reports are the handgun was the only weapon used in the attack.

The nut job was found in an office in the bar with apparent self inflicted fatal wounds when the Police found him.

Police are searching his house now.

Motive and or connection to the scene are not known or being released ATM.

Why are women never the shooters in these cases?  I mean there are some psycho bitches that do some nutty shit but they don't generally get a gun and go on a shooting spree.

I'm actually currently writing a little report on gun control, and one of the biggest problems faced isn't that there isn't enough legislation (at least that's not the biggest problem) it's a failure of enforcement of CURRENT regulations by local / state governments.

But that's not really their faults to be frank, they're low on funding for these sorts of services and would probably need more of an incentive through government grants in order to ensure that they're submitting records to the FBI's background check system.

Cause this crisis worker should have (in theory) submitted this sort of record to the FBI's background check system, and he should have been denied weapons on the grounds of mental health. More information is below on laws relating to this, courtesy of the Giffords Law Center.

Licensed psychotherapists (California, Illinois, New York), law enforcement officials and school administrators (Illinois) must report mentally ill individuals who demonstrate violent behavior; these people become prohibited from possessing firearms.

[suchmoon]

Removing guns will not remove the problem, they will find another way.
While a total ban on guns in never going to happen, there needs to be change.
These mass shootings are becoming more frequent and doesn't seem to be any effective measures put in place to prevent them.

It's much harder to kill with any other weapon that you could reasonably obtain (vehicle, knife, baseball bat, etc) and that's obvious from what's going on in other civilized countries that don't have a powerful gun lobby.

Even if removing guns is not feasible there are some tools that could be effective, such as required liability insurance. Wouldn't impact responsible gun owners whose premiums would be near zero, but could make it too expensive for nutjobs to own assault rifles. Might also help with other issues like straw purchases.

But even mild measures like that are unlikely for at least the next 10 years. It's unimaginable that any discussion on the topic would be possible in the current post-factual political climate.

[bones261]

It's much harder to kill with any other weapon that you could reasonably obtain (vehicle, knife, baseball bat, etc) and that's obvious from what's going on in other civilized countries that don't have a powerful gun lobby.

Even if removing guns is not feasible there are some tools that could be effective, such as required liability insurance. Wouldn't impact responsible gun owners whose premiums would be near zero, but could make it too expensive for nutjobs to own assault rifles. Might also help with other issues like straw purchases.

But even mild measures like that are unlikely for at least the next 10 years. It's unimaginable that any discussion on the topic would be possible in the current post-factual political climate.

I'm not certain making a law that will benefit the insurance industry racket is really a good idea. Sorry, but I don't want any bones thrown to those thieving scumbags.

[suchmoon]

I'm not certain making a law that will benefit the insurance industry racket is really a good idea. Sorry, but I don't want any bones thrown to those thieving scumbags.

It doesn't have to be "industry", it could be a non-profit co-op running it but I can already hear screams of "socialism" if something like that is suggested.

[bones261]

I'm not certain making a law that will benefit the insurance industry racket is really a good idea. Sorry, but I don't want any bones thrown to those thieving scumbags.

It doesn't have to be "industry", it could be a non-profit co-op running it but I can already hear screams of "socialism" if something like that is suggested.

AFAIK the NRA is "non-profit" too. Since they are the ones most devoted to the cause, are they the ones who aregoing to be running this mandated co-op? Furthermore, just because a group is non-profit doesn't make it immune from corruption. I really think a government mandated "non-profit" co-op would be ripe pickings for someone "benefactors" to line their pockets.

[criptix]

I'm not certain making a law that will benefit the insurance industry racket is really a good idea. Sorry, but I don't want any bones thrown to those thieving scumbags.

It doesn't have to be "industry", it could be a non-profit co-op running it but I can already hear screams of "socialism" if something like that is suggested.

AFAIK the NRA is "non-profit" too. Since they are the ones most devoted to the cause, are they the ones who aregoing to be running this mandated co-op? Furthermore, just because a group is non-profit doesn't make it immune from corruption. I really think a government mandated "non-profit" co-op would be ripe pickings for someone "benefactors" to line their pockets.

Isnt the NRA basically the right hand of the gun industry?

Not sure if you can call it non profit  or unbiased