Should the Politics and Society section have an unbiased Moderator?

[OgNasty]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

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I take that to imply we might be discussing, as an example, the upcoming investigation of Florida voting fraud.

Unlikely, unless Trump is involved in Florida voting fraud. The title says "Trump investigations".

He’s literally sending lawyers to investigate this. That’s the only “Trump investigation” patriots care about.

I guess posting about Trump’s investigation in the Trump Investigation topic isn’t appreciated.

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[Flying Hellfish]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

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I take that to imply we might be discussing, as an example, the upcoming investigation of Florida voting fraud.

Unlikely, unless Trump is involved in Florida voting fraud. The title says "Trump investigations".

He’s literally sending lawyers to investigate this. That’s the only “Trump investigation” patriots care about.

I guess posting about Trump’s investigation in the Trump Investigation topic isn’t appreciated.

You can't complain about me censoring fuck all in MY SELF MODERATED thread.  Don't like it don't post in my thread.

ARRRR I'm so mad, I hate Canadians, reading is hard.

[OgNasty]

I guess posting about Trump’s investigation in the Trump Investigation topic isn’t appreciated.

You can't complain about me censoring fuck all in MY SELF MODERATED thread.  Don't like it don't post in my thread.

ARRRR I'm so mad, I hate Canadians, reading is hard. reading is hard.

Is that a complaint? I was merely stating a fact. Right? Reading isn’t that hard. Try it slower and you’ll get the hang of it. Don’t hate Canadians. They’re typically a friendly bunch in my RL experience.

[Flying Hellfish]

I guess posting about Trump’s investigation in the Trump Investigation topic isn’t appreciated.

You can't complain about me censoring fuck all in MY SELF MODERATED thread.  Don't like it don't post in my thread.

ARRRR I'm so mad reading is hard.

Is that a complaint? I was merely stating a fact. Right? Reading isn’t that hard. Try it slower and you’ll get the hang of it. Don’t hate Canadians. They’re typically a friendly bunch in my RL experience.

Pointing out that I did what is within the rules is stupid.  I pointed out I was within the rules to do what I did.

self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed.

I just don't want you shitting up my thread, just pointing out a fact.

[actmyname]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

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I take that to imply we might be discussing, as an example, the upcoming investigation of Florida voting fraud.

Unlikely, unless Trump is involved in Florida voting fraud. The title says "Trump investigations".

He’s literally sending lawyers to investigate this. That’s the only “Trump investigation” patriots care about.

I guess posting about Trump’s investigation in the Trump Investigation topic isn’t appreciated.

We're talking moderating as in reports, right? Not deleting posts from their self-moderated threads?

I have no stake in either side but I do think that there is a critical difference between deleting posts in a topic that you have self-moderated vs. selectively deleting posts from reports of a board.

[OgNasty]

Pointing out that I did what is within the rules is stupid.  I pointed out I was within the rules to do what I did.

I just don't want you shitting up my thread, just pointing out a fact.

So you are complaining I posted in your thread and getting defensive when I point it out? Got it.

Funny watching you try and frame my argument. I was just pointing out that you’re biased. You agreed that you are biased. What’s the issue?

The only thing to discuss is whether the forum should have a biased moderator in the P&S section.

[Flying Hellfish]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

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I take that to imply we might be discussing, as an example, the upcoming investigation of Florida voting fraud.

Unlikely, unless Trump is involved in Florida voting fraud. The title says "Trump investigations".

He’s literally sending lawyers to investigate this. That’s the only “Trump investigation” patriots care about.

I guess posting about Trump’s investigation in the Trump Investigation topic isn’t appreciated.

We're talking moderating as in reports, right? Not deleting posts from their self-moderated threads?

I have no stake in either side but I do think that there is a critical difference between deleting posts in a topic that you have self-moderated vs. selectively deleting posts from reports of a board.

He's purposefully trying to merge the two issues...

[suchmoon]

Honestly, I DGAF about politics. I care about this forum, and it deserves free unbiased discussion.

Seems like you don't need to post in P&S if you don't care about politics. Personal grievances can be posted here in Reputation.

[LoyceV]

Not sure what the deleted post was

OgNasty got one deleted post in modlog:

Delete reply: Re: 13 Dead at mass shooting in California Bar in topic #5065610 by member #18321

I've checked my own files scraped from recent: two of OgNasty's posts in 13 Dead at mass shooting in California Bar are gone. One of them was moved (the thread we're reading now), so I assume the other one is what this is all about. From my records (raw HTML, unedited as it was first posted, unfortunately I remove all quotes to safe space so I don't know if there was a quote):

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<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php#4">Other</a> / <a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0">Politics &amp; Society</a> / <b><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5065610.msg47780330#msg47780330">Re: 13 Dead at mass shooting in California Bar</a></b>

<br />Cool story. Then how about you stay where you live and I wont care about your local laws, and you give me the same courtesy?

Based on the post number, it would have been between bones261's post and suchmoon's post.

I checked 2 posts before and 2 posts after OgNasty's deleted post: those posts haven't been removed.

[OgNasty]

Honestly, I DGAF about politics. I care about this forum, and it deserves free unbiased discussion.

Seems like you don't need to post in P&S if you don't care about politics. Personal grievances can be posted here in Reputation.

Just pointing out that we have a biased moderator. That involved me posting to make my point. I’ve largely avoided that section for over 7 years here.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

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What part of “our friends to the north” made you think I hate Canadians? You seem to have some reading comprehension issues. Not the best trait in a moderator.

We have a moderator saying I hate Canadians, which isn’t true, and deleting me setting the record straight. If you don’t see a problem with this, you are part of the problem.

[Flying Hellfish]

Not sure what the deleted post was

I see OgNasty got one deleted post in modlog:

Delete reply: Re: 13 Dead at mass shooting in California Bar in topic #5065610 by member #18321

I've checked my own files scraped from recent: two of OgNasty's posts in 13 Dead at mass shooting in California Bar are gone. One of them was moved (the thread we're reading now), so I assume the other one is what this is all about. From my records (raw HTML, unfortunately I remove all quotes to safe space so I don't know if there was a quote):

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<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php#4">Other</a> / <a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0">Politics &amp; Society</a> / <b><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5065610.msg47780330#msg47780330">Re: 13 Dead at mass shooting in California Bar</a></b>

<br />Cool story. Then how about you stay where you live and I wont care about your local laws, and you give me the same courtesy?

Based on the post number, it would have been between bones261's post and suchmoon's post.

I checked 2 posts before and 2 posts after OgNasty's deleted post: those posts haven't been removed.

Thank you now we can see since the accuser wouldn't post any information that I removed a post telling me to stay where I am is off topic in a thread about 13 dead in a mass shooting in California...

Can you some how get the original post in this thread?  The OP deleted to change the original intent where he asked me to move it to reputation, and is now claiming he didn't start the topic.

[OgNasty]

You’re accused of being biased. You admitted as much. Why are you trying to frame my argument as something else? Are you saying you aren’t biased? If so, let us hear the argument. Otherwise, the attacks against me for pointing out the obvious are just another example of how you attack those who have a different opinion, even when they say they will show you the same courtesy you show them...

[Flying Hellfish]

Honestly, I DGAF about politics. I care about this forum, and it deserves free unbiased discussion.

Seems like you don't need to post in P&S if you don't care about politics. Personal grievances can be posted here in Reputation.

Just pointing out that we have a biased moderator. That involved me posting to make my point. I’ve largely avoided that section for over 7 years here.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

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What part of “our friends to the north” made you think I hate Canadians? You seem to have some reading comprehension issues. Not the best trait in a moderator.

We have a moderator saying I hate Canadians, which isn’t true, and deleting me setting the record straight. If you don’t see a problem with this, you are part of the problem.

Why do I think you hate Canadians because you insulted a group of people based on their nationality... Why did you leave out the part where you insult Canadians calling them school children etc etc.

Calling someone a friend before insulting them is just slightly disingenuous.

Although with the state of the Canadian dollar, I can see why our friends to the north are angry and lashing out like school children forced to do their homework before getting a bowl of ice cream.

[OgNasty]

Who’s whining now?  

Are we getting emotional? Do you need me to say it again? I don’t hate Canadians. I have found them to be great peaceful people in real life. You keep deflecting from the fact that you are biased and moderating based on your opinions. Do you have any real argument against that, or would you like to try and make up more lies about me?

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

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I take that to imply we might be discussing, as an example, the upcoming investigation of Florida voting fraud.

Why talk about liberals trying to circumvent democracy when we could talk about a billionaire who bragged about banging models? Certainly that’s what’s important. Although with the state of the Canadian dollar, I can see why our friends to the north are angry and lashing out like school children forced to do their homework before getting a bowl of ice cream.

Oh I see you hate Canadians as well.  Since this is a self moderated thread I get to delete any fucking thing I want don't like that don't post in this thread.

See if I don't want to discuss your whataboutism attacking the left and want to discuss Trump investigations I can do that regardless of what you guys think.

Keep posting here, keep posting the deleted stuff in your other thread and keep whining about my moderation but NOT in this thread, got it.

Since you’ve deleted my posts saying I like Canadians and asked me not to post here, I can only assume you are hell bent on trying to damage my reputation with untrue statements. Have fun with that.

[suchmoon]

the fact that you are biased and moderating based on your opinions

That's not really a fact. That's your opinion at most. FHF has removed and moved plenty of off-topic posts on all sides of these debates when they go off rails and this made P&S readable again. Your contribution after 7 years of avoiding it was to come in and troll it.

Just pointing out that we have a biased moderator. That involved me posting to make my point. I’ve largely avoided that section for over 7 years here.

Well, you've made your point and it's quite useless. Try again in 7 years.

We have a moderator saying I hate Canadians, which isn’t true, and deleting me setting the record straight. If you don’t see a problem with this, you are part of the problem.

I don't see a problem with off topic posts being removed. You can create a new thread professing your love for Canadians.

[OgNasty]

the fact that you are biased and moderating based on your opinions

That's not really a fact.

He said he was biased. First read, then form an opinion.

Let me make it simple for you.

Do you think it is OK to have a politically biased moderator in the P&S section, yes or no? Are you capable of answering a question with a yes or no? Let us find out.

[suchmoon]

He said he was biased. First read, then form an opinion.

Unlike you I read the whole thing before forming an opinion:

I am biased like all humans, good luck finding one that isn't, I do my best to apply the rules fairly though

Do you think it is OK to have a politically biased moderator in the P&S section, yes or no? Are you capable of answering a question with a yes or no? Let us find out.

Yes.

There is no reason to believe that FHF is not a fair moderator.

[ibminer]

Can't we all just get along?    .. and why again did we have to wait for LoyceV to post the info needed here.    

I'm not going to argue whether the post was off-topic or not... it was off-topic.
This seems to be how it went:

Amazing how the coverage of this tragedy seemed to disappear as soon as we found out the shooter was a liberal gun control nut.

This sort of thing doesn’t happen where I live. Everyone is allowed to carry guns on them here.

I'm glad that where you live there are great sharp shooters who can hit their intended target in a dark and crowded bar. 

Huh? The people in the bar would shoot the target up close. Hence why this doesn’t happen where I live. Any shooter that walks into a bar where I’m having a drink with friends is going to have a bad time.

Wow, good guys with guns who are also drinking. What could possibly go wrong?  I guess drunk vigilante justice is better than drunk driving. 

Cool story. Then how about you stay where you live and I wont care about your local laws, and you give me the same courtesy?

If this is how it went down, and you're going to remove the last post by OgNasty, why not delete any others?

[OgNasty]

Do you think it is OK to have a politically biased moderator in the P&S section, yes or no?

Yes.

OK. Then we have a fundamental difference of opinion. That’s really where the argument between you and I should end unless you have some other motive here.

[suchmoon]

If this is how it went down, and you're going to remove the last post by OgNasty, why not delete any others?

I think Og was replying to this:

This sort of thing doesn't happen where I live. No one is allowed to carry guns on them here let alone own military hardware.  I would be willing to bet there is a lot more firearm homicides in your area than mine  

Most of the other posts were at least tangential to the topic (mass shooting in a bar). Og's deleted post was entirely a personal potshot with no apparent connection to the topic.

OK. Then we have a fundamental difference of opinion. That’s really where the argument between you and I should end unless you have some other motive here.

Wait, are you now censorshipping me out of your thread? Ima create three new threads about this.

Good luck finding a moderator that doesn't have political opinions and is willing to moderate the shithole that is P&S.