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November 11, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
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I decided that I would look for some members with 0 merits, and see if I can find a post that deserved merit to get them started. I've managed to find 2 so far, but I thought it might be interesting to new members if I explained why many didn't receive any awards.

The first thing I did was to choose a thread that looked as if if it might be interesting. Then I scanned through for members who hadn't received any merit. If the post contained misinformation, or looked as it it had been made without the poster understanding the topic, then I skipped it. Of course I skipped any misuse of quoting or formatting as well. If the post appeared to have been made with some thought, then I looked at the members post history. If it was mainly one liners, then I backed out, and I also looked for bad quoting habits. If I saw two or three reasonable posts, then I checked for plagiarism, and skipped out if it was detected. If the post passed all these test, then I awarded one or two merits.

Don't forget that this is a personal opinion, and other merit awarders may not have the same ideas as I have. I didn't check dates or boards either, so some awards may have been for old posts on less merited boards.

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November 11, 2018, 07:37:24 PM
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Am sure they would be elated when they log back in, as your merit took most of them up to Jr member rank and a couple have been inactive for weeks (probably have up)

Every member has his own unique way of awarding merits and I don't think there is a right or wrong way to do it.

Just to note, did you detect any pliagarism?
And were they reported for the mods to take appropriate actions?

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November 11, 2018, 08:00:55 PM
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I found three that were suspicious, but I didn't spend time doing a full check.

I found a lot of posters who consistently made single line posts, or consistently made two line posts, and I thought they might be bots, so I skipped those as well.

I put two members on ignore for creating quote pyramids.

I'm also getting suspicious of some of the member name patterns, and I wonder if they are part of alt farming. This is more obvious when they all have the same number of posts. I may have to start comparing join dates.

ps. I had a quick look at your post history, and I gave you a couple of merits as well. Smiley

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November 11, 2018, 08:31:59 PM
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It would be a benevolent gesture to be honest.  A merit can signify a lot of things to many, to some it's an elevation to be able to wear a signature and engage in bounty to other is a sign of hard work no matter what merit is to any one it's serves it aim of setting standards in the forum.

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November 11, 2018, 08:41:13 PM
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This is quite encouraging OP. It's a good guide on helping me and many other new members here improve on the quality of our posts. Even though it's your personal opinion, am pretty sure most other merit givers share with you at least a couple of points from which they base to give out merits.
Step by step, am starting to learn more from the community and also guide those I can. cheers.
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November 11, 2018, 08:47:30 PM
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While this idea may appear strict to some,i think it sure doesn't make sure merits aren't given to shitposting plagiarist,and in the end such merits gets wasted/burnt when eventually they are caught for their offense..

I actually admire the strict measures you've taken to sort out the weeds from the crops,and merit only those who have the system at heart and are willing to learn and rank up the right way...

And going by the way you're writing users we can at least be 75% sure as regards their post history that they wouldn't become bounty campaigns spambies when they get to Jr member rank and above

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November 12, 2018, 06:30:06 AM
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I decided that I would look for some members with 0 merits, and see if I can find a post that deserved merit to get them started. I've managed to find 2 so far, but I thought it might be interesting to new members if I explained why many didn't receive any awards.

The first thing I did was to choose a thread that looked as if if it might be interesting. Then I scanned through for members who hadn't received any merit. If the post contained misinformation, or looked as it it had been made without the poster understanding the topic, then I skipped it. Of course I skipped any misuse of quoting or formatting as well. If the post appeared to have been made with some thought, then I looked at the members post history. If it was mainly one liners, then I backed out, and I also looked for bad quoting habits. If I saw two or three reasonable posts, then I checked for plagiarism, and skipped out if it was detected. If the post passed all these test, then I awarded one or two merits.

Don't forget that this is a personal opinion, and other merit awarders may not have the same ideas as I have. I didn't check dates or boards either, so some awards may have been for old posts on less merited boards.
Good job bro, I'm also trying to figure out what I can do, hoping to get something from you soon  Cheesy
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November 12, 2018, 09:28:42 AM
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The process you’ve described, with some variances, is similar to mine, and I figure many other responsible merit senders on the board. This requires some time to perform, more than would be desirable, since the KYM (Know Your Merited) takes some time to perform.

From a merit Sender’s point of view, meriting a person who has not being merited before is rewarding, but also requires in my case more checks than meriting a person with a merit track, specially if the merited person has been merited by reputable forum members previously. In those cases, although some historical post checking may still be needed, I kind of trust to a certain degree their judgment, and may end up skipping a step or so in the KYM process.

What @Jet Cash points out as his procedure is important for people to understand, as most responsible merit awarders will endeavour a similar process.

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November 12, 2018, 09:39:43 AM
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Good job bro, I'm also trying to figure out what I can do, hoping to get something from you soon  Cheesy
You just misused the quoting format bro
Hint: Don't quote the whole paragraph or paragraphs that OP has put out. In this case according to what you had to say, Just a reply is enough without having to quote all the points he has give out at once.
Incase you need to repond to a certain point, just quote the point you feel like responding to.
This makes the thread tidy and easy to follow without having to scroll along way through just to see replies.
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November 12, 2018, 09:47:24 AM
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This is going to take you some precious time Jet cash, I once had similar meriting criteria, after i merited a bounty spammer few months back.
This is my worst ever merited user. Thought he will change his/her way after getting merited but instead he/she continued in the old ways. After this experience before I merit any user, I must do a thorough background check to prevent this mistake from happening twice.
but later stopped after I notice some very useful replies weren't receiving merits from me just because their post history doesn't meet my merit criteria. And also it was consuming my time. Seems you have the time so keep it up although I plead on the ones with reasonable and useful replies they should be considered even though their history doesn't meet your meriting criteria. When those ones receive merit they will want to earn more and improve on their writing skills, in return adding value to forum.

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November 12, 2018, 10:23:59 AM
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Well that is good thing of having a good merit source that will always look on users that are still newbie until now and still clinging on this forum. It would be hard for a newbie to make some adjustments due to the technicalities on this forum and the features of cryptocurrency that adds up the things they need to learn. It will make even harder for them when they can't rank up even up to jr. member for it just need 1 merit and they can't even earn it. So, giving them merit will continue their endeavors to learn more in the forum and it will even become a motivation to make quality post in this forum. This is what I feel when I receive merits but somehow I still need to learn more.

Good luck on looking for newbie users to merit/s. It is not your responsibility but OP has some kind consideration for this and I never saw also other merit source doing this. Or maybe they were also doing it but not as diligence as OP.

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November 12, 2018, 03:23:47 PM
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I feel for you really,if only the forum had less of plagiarists,copy/pasters and spammers then you really wouldn't have to go through all this to simply drop a merit on their profiles..

But since the reverse is the case,then I guess it's highly called for, and considering the the fact that they'll carry the merits forever,it wouldn't really go down well on your reputation to have your merit stuck with them(plagiarists)
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November 12, 2018, 03:52:06 PM
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I actually have very limited Smerits,and I'm really yet to merit any user on the forum...
But when I decide to hand out merits,i will definitely be following the patterns you've written down here
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November 12, 2018, 06:38:00 PM
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From a merit Sender’s point of view, meriting a person who has not being merited before is rewarding, but also requires in my case more checks than meriting a person with a merit track, specially if the merited person has been merited by reputable forum members previously. In those cases, although some historical post checking may still be needed, I kind of trust to a certain degree their judgment, and may end up skipping a step or so in the KYM process.

I consider rewarding a user, who has never received a merit before, as a very responsible decision. In existing conditions and with the currently approved rules, 1 Merit opens up great opportunities that can be used "for evil" (spam and shitposting for the bounty awards). That is why it`s necessary to think carefully before taking responsibility for the fact that it was you who gave the newbie a “ticket to life”. If you cannot explain and argue your decision for one reason or another, or if you doubt the expediency of awarding such a user with merit, it`s better to abstain. Otherwise, such a newbie may not contribute to the forum, but on the contrary, break the rules and write poor-quality posts for bounty campaigns.
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November 12, 2018, 07:41:00 PM
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To my surprise you're the first humble person I have come across. Because mostly people here are very rude. Just wanted to say that it's such an amazing thing what you're doing because this legit gives courage to post good because the same happened with me. I use to post one line reply but then I posted once and some kind hearted awarded me with the merit and I started posting. I try my best and still trying.
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November 12, 2018, 07:48:32 PM
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I decided that I would look for some members with 0 merits, and see if I can find a post that deserved merit to get them started. I've managed to find 2 so far, but I thought it might be interesting to new members if I explained why many didn't receive any awards.

The first thing I did was to choose a thread that looked as if if it might be interesting. Then I scanned through for members who hadn't received any merit. If the post contained misinformation, or looked as it it had been made without the poster understanding the topic, then I skipped it. Of course I skipped any misuse of quoting or formatting as well. If the post appeared to have been made with some thought, then I looked at the members post history. If it was mainly one liners, then I backed out, and I also looked for bad quoting habits. If I saw two or three reasonable posts, then I checked for plagiarism, and skipped out if it was detected. If the post passed all these test, then I awarded one or two merits.

Don't forget that this is a personal opinion, and other merit awarders may not have the same ideas as I have. I didn't check dates or boards either, so some awards may have been for old posts on less merited boards.

Nice move..
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November 13, 2018, 03:59:53 AM
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Nice write up OP. This will help me and other newbies properly create new posts and engage. I've been a long-time lurker on BitcoinTalk (on and off since 2011) and have finally decided to get more directly involved on this forum. Thanks.
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November 13, 2018, 04:56:22 AM
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The issue if meriting a newbie or somone who has aready be merited, to me bores down on some level of deep knowledge of a subject matter and in this case showing maturity. This brings in place the grammatical expression within the crypto community , level of experience, genuity as well as authenticity of knowledge displayed on the part of the person to be merited.
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November 13, 2018, 05:56:41 AM
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actualy i start this job to have an experience and knowledge about this site.   Grin and i realize that the more you post the more merit you have.
This is not a job mate..
This is a forum,and the dictionary meaning of a forum is a place for discussions...
Thus this is a community were we interact and share knowledge about cryptocurrency...

Merit isn't given based on your number of posts,some users have over 1000 activities but 0 merits,merits are given for valuable and quality contributions on the forum..
A bit of humor could also fetch you one or two..

It's simply about being consistent in engaging in quality discussions,and you must earn one,sooner or later
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November 13, 2018, 03:02:48 PM
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I went on another awarding spree, and didn't find anybody. I put 2 guys on ignore though. One had bumped a 2015 thread with the single word "bump", and he wasn't a newbie.

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