Merit against spam: reward spam reporters & punish spammers

[jademaxsuy]

Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming

Is it really possible that bots could make into this forum? I do not understand what is the purpose of captcha if bots in the forum could still make it to access in the forum. Indeed it will be really difficult for the admin to take on this bots one by one considering a huge numbers of bots in the forum. If really this does excess then OP's post about reporting will be useless. It is not tha easy though to report users that are spamming in tge forum. Anyway, I do believe that admin are acting on this already so it will be just a matter of time that these bots will going to dissolve.

For now, helping one another to report spam post and the plagiarist users would be a great form of help for the forum. This could not be easily done with few users to attain a good discussions for the forum. I can be a help of this too OP do not worry tine will come that the reporting habit will make a way cleansing the forum.

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[friends1980]

Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming

For now, helping one another to report spam post and the plagiarist users would be a great form of help for the forum. This could not be easily done with few users to attain a good discussions for the forum. I can be a help of this too OP do not worry tine will come that the reporting habit will make a way cleansing the forum.

Indeed everyone should report, and rewarding reporters and punishing spammers would be the best way, I think, to clean up all that spam.

Of course there would be A LOT of reports. But that's because there are A LOT of spammers on this forum. This would only be a temporary phenomenon, until all spam and all spammers are out forever.

They are here, spamming for bounties, well then, as I said in the OP, attack them where it hurts: take away their Merits so they cannot participate in bounties (as long as they keep spamming).

[S_Therapist]

This would only be a temporary phenomenon, until all spam and all spammers are out forever.

The more spamming is going in ANN threads. All the bounty hunters are not spammers but all the ANN threads bumpers are spammers. Therefore, you can't remove spammers at all, ever.

[friends1980]

This would only be a temporary phenomenon, until all spam and all spammers are out forever.

The more spamming is going in ANN threads. All the bounty hunters are not spammers but all the ANN threads bumpers are spammers. Therefore, you can't remove spammers at all, ever.

OK.

So in conclusion, if getting rid of ALL spam is not the plan, please remind me why I should continue to report ANY spam.

[bitart]

Most likely he is working on it. One merit for 500 good report isn't big deal for forum. I don't think new people will encourage to make report only for single merit.

Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming

And this has been discussed every month this year nearly...
I myself has also suggested this in April and realized later that this is not a good idea...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3275350.0
The thing is, that those people who are not about to abuse systems, don't even think that someone is willing to abuse the system... But later you realize that there are a lot of users who are just here to abuse this forum...

[suchmoon]

So in conclusion, if getting rid of ALL spam is not the plan, please remind me why I should continue to report ANY spam.

We'll never get rid of ALL spam. We keep reporting because at this time it's the best we can do to make the forum cleaner, even if a little bit. We can also use merits for some positive incentive. If theymos comes up with other tools for us to use we'll do that too (sounds a bit brown-nosy but he is the dictator of the forum so what else can we do other than convert all our BTC into BCH and leave).

[Steamtyme]

So in conclusion, if getting rid of ALL spam is not the plan, please remind me why I should continue to report ANY spam.

It is a never ending battle, and it will continue to be so long as someone somewhere can eek out a profit by spamming the shit out of this forum.

The reason you and anyone else who enjoys being here or has gotten anything of benefit out of being here; is just that. The forum has the tools (or at least some tools) for us to help fight spam and clean this place up. I use them because I get a lot out of this forum and enjoy coming here. If I'm not willing to actively participate in reporting, then I'd feel shitty earning anything from this site and coming here whenever I have a problem. I do both quite frequently. It's just a part of being a member of this fairly dysfunctional semi functional community group of people, and I don't think there needs to be any reward involved just awareness that it helps.

Here's what I see happening either people continue reporting and look at it like a side quest in a video game, just something you do along the way to whatever you where here to do in the first place. When that stops or the number of members dwindles to levels where it doesn't make a difference, the forum gets over run people leave, or theymos goes nuclear on the trash and we see where the chips/signatures/ico's/advertising land.

so what else can we do other than convert all our BTC into BCH and leave).

ROFL

Would that be ABC or SV, the world desperately needs to know  

[Infinixhot1996]

So in conclusion, if getting rid of ALL spam is not the plan, please remind me why I should continue to report ANY spam.

The forum is never going to be an utopia,as there happens to be no utopia world/organisation,but that doesn't mean we wouldn't do our best to make it come close to that,so making reports and clearing up garbage to at least a reasonable level is quite acceptable..
No system or rules can be put in place that'll totally end spam on the forum for good

[bobq]

Most likely he is working on it. One merit for 500 good report isn't big deal for forum. I don't think new people will encourage to make report only for single merit.

Now imagine this:
-bots create 10,000 accounts
-bots start spamming "great project" with 10,000 accounts
-1000 bots start reporting the other 9000 accounts
-1000 bots turn Jr. Member and continue spamming with signature
-Mods run away screaming

I was about to post this same idea, but then decided to first read if anyone had already thought about that - and here you are (damn, it could have been me to get those 8 merit - Lol)
As a matter of principle I think there is a true value in the OP idea, this should be recognized, but the difficulty of enabling such a mechanism in the real world would range from the extremely difficult to the impossible - I'm afraid.

[friends1980]

- It would be appreciated by those good-willed Newbies and Juniors who are actually trying to do something useful for the forum, even without necessarily posting rocket science or Nobel Prize in Literature quality, to get a little bit higher in rank. You just can't expect people who are new to crypto, to post HQ topics and replies but at least they can earn some Merits while they are growing and learning. The reward would be nice but not disproportional, because if they wish to grow in rank, they will actually need to report 500 posts which is A LOT. So they will be helping to keep the forums tidy whilst being discouraged to post spam for which they risk to lose Merit again.
(...)

- And to those goldseekers who don't care about interesting topics, involvement or participation, and who came here only to get bounty signature money we now could say: you are most welcome to this forum and can stay a Newbie forever, but if you want to get a higher rank, you'll have to get your hands dirty and work for the forum by reporting spam.

Since the last post in this thread which I wrote about two years ago, not a lot has changed. It's because of a few recent threads in the Meta boards, that I decided to necrobump this thread.

I'd especially like to remind the suggestions I quoted above which apply especially to low-ranked members: if on one side, JetCash talks about more and more Newbies who are begging (even via PM) for Merit, and on the other, members are complaining about the increasing level of spam, why can't we think of a way of stimulating members to report spam?

I think I really tried to make a lot of possible suggestions in my OP back then, but they were apparently not enough too actually get enough support. In that case, feel free to suggest other ways of increasing spam reporting.