Legendary members "supports" fraudsters ?

[tumis]

It's well known (at least for the experienced forum users) that most BMs and these ICO services are fraudulent. New projects are sometimes very unfamiliar with the forum, which leads to them hiring one of these frauds.

Good but tell me one thing. Why not prohibit the creation of such shit?

How to do it.

- Campaigns can only be created by Sr.Members and above.
- To create campaigns everyone has to do a resaerch (at least minimal without taking everything possible.
- Escrow fundraising + ico coins
If, for example, it turns out that a given "licensed" campaign manager has 3 ICOs in a row which :
1. do not pay bounty hunters
2. are fraudulent

Or a given campaign manager has more than 30% of fraudulent campaigns during the year, he is suspended (for example for 6 months) or permanently removed.
If it is merit, is it really difficult to do it?

Advantages:
90 % less bounty campaigns
70% more value campaigns
60% more fair payments.
500% less frustrated working for free.
5 times more attention to ico and the overall picture of the cryptovalent world and this forum.

Disadvantages
900% less money for fraudsters
80% less money for managers who receive any payment in advance (including those with a lot of experience on the forum which know an ordinary machine / patent making money on dishonesty

[tumis]

Why has this topic been moved to the VERY bottom of the forum?

I understand that this topic is not cool and completely meaningless.
Your bitcoins stink per kilometre.

[bernardos]

Moderators dont have a drag & drop function for threads they dont like so your post doesn t make sense. When there is a new post the thread moves up, when there isn t other threads that have new posts do.

[mikeywith]

so you guys join some shity ICO campaign, if you get paid, you don't even bother say thanks or contribute a single good post to the forum, but when things go south you complain about the forum.

- Campaigns can only be created by Sr.Members and above.

This does not mean anything, rank does not mean anything in terms of  honesty and trustworthiness, let alone the effort and resources to be wasted on moderating this shit.

- To create campaigns everyone has to do a resaerch (at least minimal without taking everything possible.
- Escrow fundraising + ico coins
If, for example, it turns out that a given "licensed" campaign manager has 3 ICOs in a row which :
1. do not pay bounty hunters
2. are fraudulent

Or a given campaign manager has more than 30% of fraudulent campaigns during the year, he is suspended (for example for 6 months) or permanently removed.
If it is merit, is it really difficult to do it?

this is pretty much a research that YOU can do before joining any campaign, if they follow your terms/rules, join and if they don't, move on.

we all want this place to perfect, but if each one of us can't do a simple task of "research" before doing a thing , then nobody can do this for us. you have to also understand that even if satoshi himself escrows anything for you, the chances of you not getting paid are still there, there is always a risk dealing with random people on the internet.

[tumis]

so you guys join some shity ICO campaign, if you get paid, you don't even bother say thanks or contribute a single good post to the forum, but when things go south you complain about the forum.

Of course I do research. I know that rank does not mean someone trusted.
But the forum should not be misleading. And bounty assumptions are misleading.
And new users have no right to guess that.
Someone is constantly feeding on the naivety of the unconscious.

And you, as senior members and  all old members, should take care of you to make it better. And you ALL have it in your ass in 80% of cases. That's the truth.
It is important that you earn yourself. The rest doesn't matter.

Here you have an example of a campaigns that had a very strong "support" from "certain" people
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113882.msg49909676#msg49909676

Best fraud detector ? - ICOBENCH

And I'm not joking. I spent a lot of time on research. I translated almost 100 projects.

The more expert assessments (false), the better the ratings (paradoxically), the more certain the fraud is.

Don't be fooled by these fake KYCs which are probably made with documents that have been fraudulently obtained from users, e.g. from bounty hunters..

example:
SCAMS:

https://icobench.com/ico/intro 4,5 / 33  expert ratings / KYC -YES
https://icobench.com/ico/humancoin  4.5 / 61 expert ratings / KYC -YES
https://icobench.com/ico/trustlogics 3.8 17 expert ratings / KYC -YES
https://icobench.com/ico/datareum 4.4 13 expert ratings / KYC -YES
https://icobench.com/ico/enlte  4.5 / 23 expert ratings  / KYC -YES (I am not convinced, but it seems to me that there have been at least twice as many expert assessments alone)
https://icobench.com/ico/sidera-blockchain-technologies  3.0 / 9 expert ratings (the grades were very high, all fell and were changed as soon as the fraud was official)

https://icobench.com/ico/datablockchain ( 4.7 / 55 expert ratings ) KYC -YES / Unofficial fraud but everything points to it (no translator received payment, kyc announced after a year and to this "mysterious" shares).
https://icobench.com/ico/loyakk  ( 4.5 /10 expert ratings) / KYC -YES Unofficial fraud but everything points to it (no translator received payment, kyc announced after a year , The administrator lies all the time, all the time removes the group members on the telegram. He deleted his account a few days ago. The company deals with business support, collected 16 million and smoothed out (kyc) documents through the google form.


And there is much more of it, but I have no time and no strength to write about it anymore. I lost billions of hours of hard work. I am frustrated

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The most frequently repeated "false experts" from icobench?
This is not just my opinion!

And what's interesting.
Usually they have always been the first and always rated 5/5/5
Always with commentary in style " great band / great idea / blablablable "













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Example of a related topic (And this is just a small percentage of scam) :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111782.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2838562.msg49774704#msg49774704
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4469466.820
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099688.msg49319218#msg49319218

[tumis]

This is only a fraction of the scams of this "legend":






Coming Soon !

[nutildah]

This is only a fraction of the scams of this "legend":

The forum allows promotion of scams up to a fault IMHO.

He already got thickly red painted. Not much more anybody can do.

I think if a scammer has been proven in court to have broken laws and convicted, then their account could be banned and even deleted. Up to that point, accounts are never banned or deleted for scam promotion.

This member was convicted of running a Ponzi scheme and served time in prison, and his account can still be found on the forum. Not sure if he was banned or not but I'm going to guess "yes."

[stompix]

This member was convicted of running a Ponzi scheme and served time in prison, and his account can still be found on the forum. Not sure if he was banned or not but I'm going to guess "yes."

I don't know if removing signatures for banned users is a new thing (compared to pirate's account) but he might not be banned.
Tradefortress was also not banned although he was a clear scammer and we have at least two more members that was arrested, escrow.ms is still active for example.

But now, what would a ban achieve?
Ok, ban the account and, it solves 0.

@tumis

The forum is not and can't act like a police investigation force.
There are hundreds of scams that happened which caught everybody by surprise, there are scams even prosecutors court can't prove, what can users with limited info do about?

You find someone suspicious, open a scam accusation topic and he might get tagged if you provide sufficient info.
We can't rely on banning people just on assumptions.

Back in 2010 the majority of the population would have said bitcoin is a scam, and I the opinion reversed even if the percentages have changed a lot. Should we have banned satoshi?

[tumis]

Ok, ban the account and, it solves 0.

This changes a lot. Such an account (legendary member) is created for years. It requires a lot of hard work.
New users do not trust each other in advance.
Where is the logic in your thinking?

Back in 2010 the majority of the population would have said bitcoin is a scam, and I the opinion reversed even if the percentages have changed a lot. Should we have banned satoshi?

What does gingerbread have for the windmill?

Bitcoin is only an object, a means of payment. Just like cash, credit card.
A knife can be used to cut bread, but it can be used to kill. Should we ban it?

[stompix]

Bitcoin is only an object, a means of payment. Just like cash, credit card.
A knife can be used to cut bread, but it can be used to kill. Should we ban it?

This is exactly your way of thinking.
Let's ban every legendary that comes with a project because it might turn into a scam.

People are tagging tens of accounts each day, and if you don't do minimal research and at least check the profile of the fraudster what should we do? The forum is full of guides, stickies, warnings, and you still throw your money just because an account has a good rank?
Who are you, Fry, "shut up and take my money?"

Seriously, what do you want?
You want others to do the research for you and tell you what project is 100% bulletproof profit maker?

You proposed escrow bounty campaigns.
What prevents you from joining ONLY campaigns that have escrowed funds and stay away from those that are not?
I'm going to tell you what, it's called greed!!!!

Look at your last post...

When distribution

Whatever...

[tumis]

This is exactly your way of thinking.
Let's ban every legendary that comes with a project because it might turn into a scam.

I guess you don't know what irony is.
Or you can't read with understanding.

People are tagging tens of accounts each day, and if you don't do minimal research and at least check the profile of the fraudster what should we do?

How do you know it? Why do you put on something and lie? I have done a lot of research
Secondly, there are new people on the forum all the time. Totally unaware of the dangers.
And don't tell me foolishness that there is a full manual, etc., etc., that there is a lot of people on the forum. This does not change anything.
Nobody starts the campaign by reading 150,000 threads on this forum beforehand.

Seriously, what do you want?
You want others to do the research for you and tell you what project is 100% bulletproof profit maker?

You are lying again. You come up with a thesis and then you argue.

[coolcoinz]

Seriously, what do you want?
You want others to do the research for you and tell you what project is 100% bulletproof profit maker?

You are lying again. You come up with a thesis and then you argue.

How can he be lying when the sentences quoted by you are questions? Maybe I don't know English well enough, but as fat as I do for a sentence to be a lie it has to be a statement or an exclamation. If I ask you, is your mother fat, it's impossible for me to lie about anything, or argue, just as it is impossible for Stompix in that quote.
The forum is what it is, if you don't like that accounts aren't being banned for scamming or lying, you are free to start your own and be the judge, the jury, and the executioner there.

[sclmte]

I hope their allegations to the legendary members are not true and I know the legendary members that they first entered as a bitcoin crypto investor. The legendary is the best of all ranks so dependent on them if they are faithful or they can do bad things, because each of us has its own decision

[tumis]

Seriously, what do you want?
You want others to do the research for you and tell you what project is 100% bulletproof profit maker?

You are lying again. You come up with a thesis and then you argue.

How can he be lying when the sentences quoted by you are questions? Maybe I don't know English well enough, but as fat as I do for a sentence to be a lie it has to be a statement or an exclamation. If I ask you, is your mother fat, it's impossible for me to lie about anything, or argue, just as it is impossible for Stompix in that quote.
The forum is what it is, if you don't like that accounts aren't being banned for scamming or lying, you are free to start your own and be the judge, the jury, and the executioner there.

You just take the quote out of context. Check the whole thing and don't judge one post like an ignorant

I hope their allegations to the legendary members are not true and I know the legendary members that they first entered as a bitcoin crypto investor. The legendary is the best of all ranks so dependent on them if they are faithful or they can do bad things, because each of us has its own decision

You're only writing this to suck up to kings, anyway? What aren't you gonna do for money ..?
I can't read such stupid things. What difference does it make to who has a reputation (often artificial and misleading - money for money ) ? In every social group so Good and Bad. And you justify this forum, which is also funny. I don't doubt there are people here with rank, honest. But it doesn't change the fact that many people use all these ranks and merits for evil purposes. It's so hard to understand and yet try to change it ? What's wrong with that ? you want others to fuck you ?